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Understanding the Sabbath
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deu
I can assure you that it is not an excellent site. It is full of lies and deceit. In fact when one looks at it you cannot help but realize what lengths the devil will go to deceive those that live on this earth. He used the same deception in heaven, it worked there, again he used it in the Garden of Eden. He used it on Christ and the answer he got back was "it is written". That is all I can do here. God says the seventh day is the Sabbath and no one can change that.
You can try and spin it left and right but to no avail.
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Yes, I went and had a look and here are just a few wrongs, too many to look at the lot here.
"the Saturday Sabbath folks want to bring us under the Law of the Old Covenant"
WRONG, the Sabbath has nothing to do with the old covenant. The old covenant was when the Children of Israel said they would obey.
"The early church kept neither Sunday nor Saturday as the New Testament Sabbath"
WRONG, what day did Paul go and worship on? It says in Acts 13:14,42
"But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
Are you going to tell me that this was Sunday? Remember we are talking about Jews. They still worship on Saturday. I doubt if they changed and then came back to the true Sabbath.
Acts 16:13
"And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."
Acts 18:3,4
"And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
That is with the Greeks and the Jews every Sabbath.
The Sabbath is not a shadow, it is a memorial of creation.
"The Old Covenant Saturday Sabbath was a type and shadow of what is promised in the New Covenant,"
WRONG, it is a memorial of creation.
Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
"When Christians try to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath, they are in darkness and have not yet come into the light of the real Sabbath. The Jews never knew what the real Sabbath was."
WRONG, it will be kept forever.
Isaiah 66:22,23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
Now these mistakes he makes only come from the first paragraph. If I was to go through the whole link I would be here forever.
deu
Do you want me to list anymore of his mistakes?
"the Saturday Sabbath folks want to bring us under the Law of the Old Covenant"
WRONG, the Sabbath has nothing to do with the old covenant. The old covenant was when the Children of Israel said they would obey.
"The early church kept neither Sunday nor Saturday as the New Testament Sabbath"
WRONG, what day did Paul go and worship on? It says in Acts 13:14,42
"But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
Are you going to tell me that this was Sunday? Remember we are talking about Jews. They still worship on Saturday. I doubt if they changed and then came back to the true Sabbath.
Acts 16:13
"And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."
Acts 18:3,4
"And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
That is with the Greeks and the Jews every Sabbath.
The Sabbath is not a shadow, it is a memorial of creation.
"The Old Covenant Saturday Sabbath was a type and shadow of what is promised in the New Covenant,"
WRONG, it is a memorial of creation.
Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
"When Christians try to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath, they are in darkness and have not yet come into the light of the real Sabbath. The Jews never knew what the real Sabbath was."
WRONG, it will be kept forever.
Isaiah 66:22,23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
Now these mistakes he makes only come from the first paragraph. If I was to go through the whole link I would be here forever.
deu
Do you want me to list anymore of his mistakes?
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Symes said:
Symes - with all respect - Please take care in judging this website and the one who assembled it. He is a dear friend of mine and I can tell you there are *few* that walk in faith as he does. So - before you go claiming the works that he does to be in line with "the devil" I think you might consider that this man is a very solid and good brother in Christ. Your brother in Christ.
I'll be more than happy to send you a copy of his book - for free. Private me your mail and I'll send it to you. The wealth of knowledge he has in the Word is very Gospel (good news).
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GodsWatchman
I am not questioning the mans sincerity at all. But no matter how sincere a person is that does not make what they say to be right.
In the first paragraph I picked up four blatant, easy to see errors that contradict the Bible. Your friend needs to have a close look at what he has written and perhaps you may like to inform him of what I have said so he can further investigate the Word and find out the truth about the Sabbath.
If a person has a website then they can expect to have people disagree with them.
I am not questioning the mans sincerity at all. But no matter how sincere a person is that does not make what they say to be right.
In the first paragraph I picked up four blatant, easy to see errors that contradict the Bible. Your friend needs to have a close look at what he has written and perhaps you may like to inform him of what I have said so he can further investigate the Word and find out the truth about the Sabbath.
If a person has a website then they can expect to have people disagree with them.
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deu58
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Hello symes
The saturday sabbath has everything to do with the covenant symes. It is the very heart of the mosaic law.
He is not saying the church did not gather on a saturday or a Sunday he is saying they did not keep a physical sabbath as required by the Mosaic law. THERE ARE NO INSTRUCTIONS FOR SABBATH KEEPING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT! But you will find instructions for proper WORSHIP
WRONG, what day did Paul go and worship on? It says in Acts 13:14,42
"But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
Are you going to tell me that this was Sunday? Remember we are talking about Jews. They still worship on Saturday. I doubt if they changed and then came back to the true Sabbath.
Acts 16:13
"And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."
Acts 18:3,4
"And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
That is with the Greeks and the Jews every Sabbath.
The Sabbath is not a shadow, it is a memorial of creation.
Yes symes you are right these were Jews. And what were the Gentiles? They were Jewish proselytes who were worshiping with the Jews on the Sabbath. They were willing to hear more from Paul about Jesus but the Jews refused to hear anymore. Remember it was the Jews who kept throwing Paul out of the synagogues. Why? Because he was converting some Jews and many Gentile proselytes.
Ac 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Ac 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized
Both of these men were Gentiles who worshipped God. Now if they were not Christians then in what manner were they worshipping after?
After Crispus accepted Christ how long do think his position as Chief ruler of the Synagogue lasted where many were hostile to the message?
So what was Paul's purpose of going to the synagogue? If it was to keep the sabbath then why did they keep throwing him out?
Did he go because he wanted to keep the sabbath or because he wanted to preach Christ risen?
Ac 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them.
Notice the bible plainly states that Aquila and Priscilla were Jews
Ac 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow
Ac 18:19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews
Now here we see that these three went Ephesus together, on the sabbath Paul goes to the synagogue for what worship? No to reason with the Jews. Reason with them about what? That Jesus Christ is Lord and Messiah. If it was about Sabbath worship then why did Aquila and Priscella who were also Jews not attend the synagogue?
"The Old Covenant Saturday Sabbath was a type and shadow of what is promised in the New Covenant,"
WRONG, it is a memorial of creation.
Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
There is no where in the Bible, at least that I can find, That states the Sabbath is a memorial to creation. You also need to establish that this was a 24 hour sabbath. Did God start working again on the first day? Or was this to be an eternal sabbath that was broken by mans disobedience?
Again there is no mention of actual Sabbath keeping nor a command to do so until Ex.16:23.
Ex 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Now considering Genesis and Exodus were both written by Moses doesn't it seem just a little strange that he would not give direct references to Noah and the Patriarchs keeping the Sabbath? When God made a covenant with Noah did he include the sabbath in that covenant? does he give any instruction as to how to keep the Sabbath or to teach those generations that follow to do the same? Was the flood the result of breaking the sabbath?
Ge 6:11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. Ge 6:12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. Ge 6:13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
How about the Tower of Babel?
Ge 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Ge 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Ge 11:8
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Lets try Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ge 19:13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
Why were they destroyed? EVERY TIME God passes a Judgment he ALWAYS states the crime. This is because in his mercy he has already warned them and they continue to sin. He tells us what that specific sin is so we can learn not to do the things that God finds displeasing.
Nu 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Nu 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation
Nu 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Nu 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
This is the very first mention of a Sabbath violation. And as always we are told the Offence and the Punishment. God does not leave us stumbling around in the dark trying to figure out for ourselves what he expects from us.
De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
De 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
De 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ***, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
De 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The Sabbath given to Israel is not the same rest that blessed and sanctified in the Garden. I do not see how God could have been more plain
than this as to the purpose of the Jewish Sabbath
"When Christians try to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath, they are in darkness and have not yet come into the light of the real Sabbath. The Jews never knew what the real Sabbath was."
WRONG, it will be kept forever.
Isaiah 66:22,23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
Now these mistakes he makes only come from the first paragraph. If I was to go through the whole link I would be here forever.
Again you misinterpret this verse. How long is a day in eternity symes? The verse does not say on every sabbath it says from every sabbath. It is continuos.
Ex 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
Are you keeping the Passover? If you will notice the Passover is mentioned as a memorial
Nu 10:8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.
Heard any body blowing any silver trumpets lately?
Have you ever considered the contents of the ark?
The manna , Jesus is the bread of life
The rod of Aaron, Jesus now holds the scepter of High Priest and King
The tablets of commandments, Jesus is how we fulfill the law today and he is our sabbath, It is in him we find rest not just once a week but every day
The articles in the ark were symbols of what one day God would put in our hearts. Jesus Christ. For in and through him are all things fulfilled.
As through Christ God created the earth now through Christ God creates a new heart in the Christian believer today.
Its like I have told you before Its not about the Sabbath, Its about Jesus Christ.
deu
Do you want me to list anymore of his mistakes
I am sorry brother symes, I do not doubt that you truly love the lord, but the only mistakes I see here are your own. No body is trying to force you to give up Saturday, We are just trying to get you to stop judging and condemning everybody. Look at Adam, He went after John and John is a sabbatarian. People like you and Adam want everybody to except your beliefs period
or you not satisfied.
yours in Christ
deu58
The saturday sabbath has everything to do with the covenant symes. It is the very heart of the mosaic law.
He is not saying the church did not gather on a saturday or a Sunday he is saying they did not keep a physical sabbath as required by the Mosaic law. THERE ARE NO INSTRUCTIONS FOR SABBATH KEEPING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT! But you will find instructions for proper WORSHIP
WRONG, what day did Paul go and worship on? It says in Acts 13:14,42
"But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down. And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath."
Are you going to tell me that this was Sunday? Remember we are talking about Jews. They still worship on Saturday. I doubt if they changed and then came back to the true Sabbath.
Acts 16:13
"And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither."
Acts 18:3,4
"And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks."
That is with the Greeks and the Jews every Sabbath.
The Sabbath is not a shadow, it is a memorial of creation.
Yes symes you are right these were Jews. And what were the Gentiles? They were Jewish proselytes who were worshiping with the Jews on the Sabbath. They were willing to hear more from Paul about Jesus but the Jews refused to hear anymore. Remember it was the Jews who kept throwing Paul out of the synagogues. Why? Because he was converting some Jews and many Gentile proselytes.
Ac 18:7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.
Ac 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized
Both of these men were Gentiles who worshipped God. Now if they were not Christians then in what manner were they worshipping after?
After Crispus accepted Christ how long do think his position as Chief ruler of the Synagogue lasted where many were hostile to the message?
So what was Paul's purpose of going to the synagogue? If it was to keep the sabbath then why did they keep throwing him out?
Did he go because he wanted to keep the sabbath or because he wanted to preach Christ risen?
Ac 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them. Notice the bible plainly states that Aquila and Priscilla were Jews
Ac 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow
Ac 18:19 And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews
Now here we see that these three went Ephesus together, on the sabbath Paul goes to the synagogue for what worship? No to reason with the Jews. Reason with them about what? That Jesus Christ is Lord and Messiah. If it was about Sabbath worship then why did Aquila and Priscella who were also Jews not attend the synagogue?
"The Old Covenant Saturday Sabbath was a type and shadow of what is promised in the New Covenant,"
WRONG, it is a memorial of creation.
Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
There is no where in the Bible, at least that I can find, That states the Sabbath is a memorial to creation. You also need to establish that this was a 24 hour sabbath. Did God start working again on the first day? Or was this to be an eternal sabbath that was broken by mans disobedience?
Again there is no mention of actual Sabbath keeping nor a command to do so until Ex.16:23.
Ex 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Now considering Genesis and Exodus were both written by Moses doesn't it seem just a little strange that he would not give direct references to Noah and the Patriarchs keeping the Sabbath? When God made a covenant with Noah did he include the sabbath in that covenant? does he give any instruction as to how to keep the Sabbath or to teach those generations that follow to do the same? Was the flood the result of breaking the sabbath?
Ge 6:11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. Ge 6:12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. Ge 6:13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
How about the Tower of Babel?
Ge 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Ge 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Ge 11:8
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Lets try Sodom and Gomorrah.
Ge 19:13For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
Why were they destroyed? EVERY TIME God passes a Judgment he ALWAYS states the crime. This is because in his mercy he has already warned them and they continue to sin. He tells us what that specific sin is so we can learn not to do the things that God finds displeasing.
Nu 15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
Nu 15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation
Nu 15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
Nu 15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
This is the very first mention of a Sabbath violation. And as always we are told the Offence and the Punishment. God does not leave us stumbling around in the dark trying to figure out for ourselves what he expects from us.
De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
De 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
De 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ***, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
De 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
The Sabbath given to Israel is not the same rest that blessed and sanctified in the Garden. I do not see how God could have been more plain
than this as to the purpose of the Jewish Sabbath
"When Christians try to keep the Old Covenant Sabbath, they are in darkness and have not yet come into the light of the real Sabbath. The Jews never knew what the real Sabbath was."
WRONG, it will be kept forever.
Isaiah 66:22,23
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
Now these mistakes he makes only come from the first paragraph. If I was to go through the whole link I would be here forever.
Again you misinterpret this verse. How long is a day in eternity symes? The verse does not say on every sabbath it says from every sabbath. It is continuos.
Ex 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
Are you keeping the Passover? If you will notice the Passover is mentioned as a memorial
Nu 10:8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance for ever throughout your generations.
Heard any body blowing any silver trumpets lately?
Have you ever considered the contents of the ark?
The manna , Jesus is the bread of life
The rod of Aaron, Jesus now holds the scepter of High Priest and King
The tablets of commandments, Jesus is how we fulfill the law today and he is our sabbath, It is in him we find rest not just once a week but every day
The articles in the ark were symbols of what one day God would put in our hearts. Jesus Christ. For in and through him are all things fulfilled.
As through Christ God created the earth now through Christ God creates a new heart in the Christian believer today.
Its like I have told you before Its not about the Sabbath, Its about Jesus Christ.
deu
Do you want me to list anymore of his mistakes
I am sorry brother symes, I do not doubt that you truly love the lord, but the only mistakes I see here are your own. No body is trying to force you to give up Saturday, We are just trying to get you to stop judging and condemning everybody. Look at Adam, He went after John and John is a sabbatarian. People like you and Adam want everybody to except your beliefs period
or you not satisfied.
yours in Christ
deu58
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razzelflabben
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I was getting ready to leave the house for the day and saw this post. I cannot handle letting this go until I have more time tomorrow to deal with this issue. symes, you ask "Since when does Satan exalt Christ?; I only have time to list the scripture from the concordance, we can talk more about them later. Please read the word. Matt. 8:29; Mk. 1:24; 3:11;5:7; Lk. 4:34,41; Jas. 2:19.deu58 said:
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I looked through the previous posts and could not find the above quote from me but found deu asking the question.
deu
I looked at your reply and found very little of what you said to be correct. Paul went to worship on the Sabbath. He preached, he taught, they wanted to know more. They did not say, come back tomorrow but come back the next Sabbath.
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deu58
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Hi razzelflabbenrazzelflabben said:
I posted that not symes. we were discussing a website that Godswatchman posted a link for explaining that Jesus is the sabbath rest today for the believer. symes thinks it is from the devil thus my question why would satan exalt Christ. have a nice time at your relatives house and God bless
yours in Christ
deu58
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deu
It is not so much that I think it is from the devil, it is just that your mate has been deceived. Which probably means it is from the devil.
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razzelflabben
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Sorry for the mix up I really was rushed at the time. Idea is the same though. Satan knows all to well how to exhalt God. Let us not forget that he started out as an angel. Scripture also tells us that he poses as an angel of light. It is not above Satan to pretend to be a believer, in fact, he does believe. This basic idea is why Satan has such an easy time at decieving people and luring them into a false belief on many issues. It is also why we must always exercise great care in studying the Word of God rather than someone elses teachings. It is why it is imparative to study for ourselves and ask the hard questions that we find so uncomfortable.
I must take a break and feed my family but I would like to look at the sight in question for myself. It would save time if you could redirect me to this link. Thanks
I must take a break and feed my family but I would like to look at the sight in question for myself. It would save time if you could redirect me to this link. Thanks
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Symes said:
Symes - I would like you to list more of these 'mistakes'. Teach me - make see where I am wrong in the Word of God.
Ac*17:11 Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so.
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razzelflabben
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I know I am a little behind things here, but I do not see anything in this post that would indicate false teaching. It is sound and agrees with the totality of scripture. It would seem to me that we should all take some time to focus on what God would have us know rather than what we would like to think or believe. The Pharisees were arrogant in thinking that they knew all the answers that that they knew everything about God because they knew and followed the law. I cannot begin to recount the number of times that Jesus condemed this idealism. This is why such teachings as the above carry such an enormous weight in trying to understand God. The fun part is that just when we thing we have something figured out, we learn something new. The key to understanding God, is in knowing that we don't understand. Prov. 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. but fools depise wisdom and discipline.deu58 said:
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k4c said:
Wow John. Few get this. As a matter of fact - I'm fairly new to the full concept myself. The Beast is 'the animal' within us. The mark was first set upon Cain who gave of the earth - earthly things (flesh/beast).
We must worship God in Spirit. And in such - the things that are written(NT & OT) are shadows and types for our admonition and building in Christ.
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God'sWatchman
Paul never told us to stop keeping the Sabbath. Sure he said not to keep the feast days but that is not the seventh day Sabbath as the author is trying to imply.
"Paul warned by the Spirit that these believers could not be Christ like under the Law."
WRONG, Paul said in Romans 7:12
"So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."
John 15:10
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Does that seem like someone is saying that the law has been done away with? Not from my reading of it. Christ never done away with the law.
"Here we come to a stern warning for those seeking to be justified by keeping the Old Covenant Sabbath or any other part of the shadow of the Law"
No one is even trying to be justified by the keeping of the Sabbath. It just gets to the point where nearly everything he says is wrong. He twists words to suit his own ideas. Like he has done here with what I have quoted from him. I do not need to do any more as is seems enough to show he is not being honest with Scripture.
"Paul then warned the Christians to not go back under the Law in observing feast days and Sabbath days"
Paul never told us to stop keeping the Sabbath. Sure he said not to keep the feast days but that is not the seventh day Sabbath as the author is trying to imply.
"Paul warned by the Spirit that these believers could not be Christ like under the Law."
WRONG, Paul said in Romans 7:12
"So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."
John 15:10
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Does that seem like someone is saying that the law has been done away with? Not from my reading of it. Christ never done away with the law.
"Here we come to a stern warning for those seeking to be justified by keeping the Old Covenant Sabbath or any other part of the shadow of the Law"
No one is even trying to be justified by the keeping of the Sabbath. It just gets to the point where nearly everything he says is wrong. He twists words to suit his own ideas. Like he has done here with what I have quoted from him. I do not need to do any more as is seems enough to show he is not being honest with Scripture.
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razzelflabben
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I have yet to read this in scripture, please give us referrences so that we may study it and see for ourselves what God says on the issue.GodsWatchman said:
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