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Politicians have a dirty heart, full of stuff and desires and motives we probably never want to know.Bottom line is this, you cannot follow politicians without getting dirty.
I figure that the Good Samaritan also got dirty when he helped that guy on the road. "Getting dirty" is often what it takes to live the Gospel.
Perhaps yes, but Jesus is still hated by the whole world,As I recall, Jesus was not the most popular guy of biblical times. The "least of these" was hated by many, and now He is loved by many as He is seated at the right-hand of the Father.
Politicians have a dirty heart, full of stuff and desires and motives we probably never want to know.
The good samaritan had a clean and righteous heart,
and he did what a clean and righteous person right with Yhwh would do.
He would never do what a dirty politician did, nor trust one ever.
No, you mean that he remained spiritually clean while getting dirty in the usual sense of the word. He could, of course, have said what you advised, and said "OOOOh, I could help, I suppose...but I don't go in for things like robberies and assaults. Other people do that stuff, and I'm not like them, so I'm just going to go on my way and keep my appointments on time and my water bottle filled. Someone else will probably help this guy."I'm talking about staining our white robes. The Samaritan actually kept his clean in that example.
You're totally wrong here (as W2L may point out if he wants to).No, you mean that he remained spiritually clean while getting dirty in the usual sense of the word. He could, of course, have said what you advised, and said "OOOOh, I could help, I suppose...but I don't go in for things like robberies and assaults. Other people do that stuff, and I'm not like them, so I'm just going to go on my way and keep my appointments on time and my water bottle filled. Someone else will probably help this guy."
No, you mean that he remained spiritually clean while getting dirty in the usual sense of the word. He could, of course, have said what you advised, and said "OOOOh, I could help, I suppose...but I don't go in for things like robberies and assaults. Other people do that stuff, and I'm not like them, so I'm just going to go on my way and keep my appointments on time and my water bottle filled. Someone else will probably help this guy."
"We" (ekklesia full of Peace, Joy, Righteousness and Yhwh's Presence) are not worried about our jobs, our retirement and other such things.It would be one thing if the body was united in their vote, and only voted for truly noble things but in the end we are voting for the American dream. We are worried about our jobs and our retirement and other such things. It just seems to be contrary to the kingdom message I think. Not to mention, we can never trust politicians.
In Scripture you see assemblies that are set apart, separated from the worldly ways and system. It does SHINE with the TRUE LIGHT, in Scripture and TODAY wherever Yhwh's people are living in TRUTH and abiding in Yeshua.When I see the scriptures, I see a Church that is supposed to be separate from the world. Its supposed to shine and help people. We are supposed to united in one voice and without any contention.
"unauthorized" answer: people who vote always do so for money,Who are we helping in politics?
"unauthorized" answer: people who vote always do so for money,
or something related to money.
even though their votes never actually count,
they have been totally duped into thinking they do, and that they can "assure" or "protect" or "get more of" "THEIR MONEY" if they vote.
Jeremiah 3
"They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the Lord.
Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness.
Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a harlot's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed.
Wilt thou not from this time cry unto me, My father, thou art the guide of my youth?
Will he reserve his anger for ever? will he keep it to the end? Behold, thou hast spoken and done evil things as thou couldest.
The Lord said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the Lord.
And the Lord said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the Lord; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever.
Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the Lordthy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the Lord.
Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of theLord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the Lord.
A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel: for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten theLord their God.
Return, ye backsliding children, and I will heal your backslidings. Behold, we come unto thee; for thou art the Lord our God.
Truly in vain is salvation hoped for from the hills, and from the multitude of mountains: truly in the Lord our God is the salvation of Israel.
For shame hath devoured the labour of our fathers from our youth; their flocks and their herds, their sons and their daughters.
We lie down in our shame, and our confusion covereth us: for we have sinned against the Lord our God, we and our fathers, from our youth even unto this day, and have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God."
Emphasis mine.
God divorced us because we were spiritual harlots. I don't know if people know what that means, but Jeremiah spells it out somewhat. This "whoredom," or lack there of is also brought up when describing the 144,000 as men who did not defile themselves with women. This isn't talking about physical Virgin men (although, it could be a coupled component.) This is an allusion to Jeremiah and other books speaking about spiritual whoredom. In other words, these 144,000 did not defile themselves after other gods, religions or systems.
A woman represents a church in the bible. A Virgin is a Godly church or system; a harlot is a blasphemous, sinfully debauched church or system. These men never strayed beyond Godly things.
The issue of spiritual divorce is a very important concept, and one the church may be missing which could help understand this entire thing called creation.
I want to talk about this topic, because I feel like it is important. It is a topic specifically mentioned in the OT and NT; God Himself divorced us for spiritual fornication, and this is a HUGE deal that can give insight on this thread, and the nature of the Church's own marriage with God, His covenants, and how "yokeness" is important even to God.
What are thoughts on this topic, and why or why isn't it taught more often in the Church?
A woman represents a church in the bible. A Virgin is a Godly church or system; a harlot is a blasphemous, sinfully debauched church or system.
What both of you are forgetting is the straightforward Bible admonition for us as disciples to be IN THE WORLD but not OF the world.You're totally wrong here (as W2L may point out if he wants to).
W2L advocates doing what is right -
like the good samaritan did;
and don't befoul yourself with dirty politics, doing most often what is wrong, like most americans do.
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