Undecided in eschatology

[RoadoftheGypsy]

The big mistake (I believe) Premillennialists make is that they abandon corroboration when it comes to Revelation 20. They impose a meaning upon this apocalyptic passage that enjoys no other Old Testament or New Testament support. This (to me) is a grave error. If we let Scripture interprets Scripture it is easy to understand this much-debated passage.

When you follow the New Testament narrative through, and let it speak for itself, you see that Revelation 20 neatly fits into the intra-Advent period. It is a record of Christ's great victory over every enemy of righteousness. It shows our conquering king Christ returning after defeating sin, death, Satan, Hades and eternal punishment (the lake of fire). That is why Jesus come. In His mission He accomplished every demand asked of Him. I believe Revelation 20 is also a record of the great commission.

Premils avoid the most important resurrection to let their opinion fit. There is one literal first resurrection where Christ defeated the grave. The Bible makes it clear that Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5).

Since this, Revelation 20 describes the defeat and binding (or curtailment) of Satan for the expressed purpose of the Gospel invading the nations and removing the deception that blinded the Gentiles before Christ's first resurrection. When Satan was bound through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ then the kingdom of darkness was bound (including the beast and every demon). 2 Peter 2:4, Jude v 6, Revelation 9 and Revelation 20 all prove the whole demonic realm is currently restrained from stopping the free-flow of the Gospel. The bruising of the head of the beast (Revelation 13:3, 13:12 and 13:14) correlates with the bruising of the head of Satan 2,000 years ago through the earthly ministry of Christ (Genesis 3:15). They correspond with the spiritual binding imprisoning of Satan during the millennial period. These are figurative metaphors describing the impairment of the kingdom of darkness 2000 years ago.

Matthew 12:22-29, Mark 3:11, 23-27, Luke 10:18-19, Luke 11:20-22, John 12:31-33 Colossians 2:13-15, Hebrews 2:14-15, I John 3:8, Revelation 9:1-11 and Revelation 20:2 prove Satan was bound, defeated, incapacitated, divested of power, disarmed, brought to naught, undone, stripped and spiritually imprisoned through Christ's sinless life, atoning death and triumphant resurrection. Colossians 2:15 tells us: “having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.” Satan has not been rendered immobile or inoperative but is limited in his power, kingship and influence by being defeated on the cross. He is like a dog on a chain. He is shackled.

There is a literal reigning of the dead in Christ now during the intra-Advent period (Revelation 20:4). See also Hebrews 12:18, 22-23, Revelation 6:9-10, 7:9-17, 15:1-3).

There is a literal coming of Christ (Revelation 20:11). See also Matthew 24:27, Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62, Luke 21:26–27, Acts 1:10 and Revelation 1:7, etc, etc.).

There is a literal resurrection/judgment (singular) of all mankind in the future on the last day (Matthew 10:15, 12:36, 16:27, 25:31-46, John 5:21-30, 6:39-44, 54, 10:42, 11:21-27, 12:48, 17:30-32, 24:15, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31, Romans 2:4-8, 14:10-12, 1 Corinthians 3:6-8, 11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Timothy 4:1-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-8, 1 Timothy 5:24, Hebrews 9:27, 10:27, 2 Peter 2:9, 3:7, 1 Peter 4:1-5, 1 John 4:17, and Revelation 19:11, 20:11-15, 22:12).

There is a real conflagration (Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15).

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalms 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Can I ask btw, what do you believe about the future? Are you preterist, do you believe the only thing left to happen is the second coming? Or is the man of sin whom Jesus destroys at His coming still future? My answer is obviously YES as clearly Jesus hasnt returned yet

 

[DavidPT]

Since the topic of the first resurrection has come up, what I have noted about Revelation 20 is that it only records 2 resurrection events. The first resurrection event meaning the first resurrection. The second resurrection event meaning when the rest of dead live again after the thousand years. Since the text says the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years are finished, this obviously means some of the dead already lived again before the thousand years are finished, otherwise the text would have said all of the dead, not the rest of the dead, lived not again until the thousand years are finished.

Amils insist the first resurrection isn't meaning the bodily resurrection of the saved. I find it unreasonable that if Revelation 20 records only 2 resurrection events, that it doesn't even record the most important resurrection event, the bodily resurrection of the saved. If the first resurrection isn't involving the bodily resurrection of the saved, what resurrection event in Revelation 20 is? Keeping in mind, there are only 2 resurrection events recorded in Revelation 20, not 3 or more.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

Notice what verse 6 says---Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection

Notice what verse 5 says and what it doesn't say--the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. What it doesn't say is that anyone who doesn't live again until thousand years were finished, that any of these are also blessed and holy. It only says that of those that have part in the first resurrection. What should that be telling us then? It should be telling us that when the rest of the dead live not again until the thousand years were finished, that this is the resurrection unto damnation.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


John 5 also records 2 resurrection events. By using Scripture to interpret Scripture, we can then know--they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life--this is pertaining to the first resurrection(Revelation 20:4 and Revelation 20:6). And that---they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation---this is pertaining to the 2nd resurrection event recorded in Revelation 20, when the rest of the dead live again after the thousand years, thus is meaning Revelation 20:11-15.

Regardless when one thinks Revelation 20:11-15 takes place, one thing that is an undeniable fact, saints will already be in immortal bodies via the last trump before this judgment ever takes place. IOW, this judgment can't be involving saints who have already put on bodily immortality. Look what Revelation 20:11-15 records, and then note how many times it mentions the dead. No way after one has already put on bodily immortality at the last trump, would any of these still be being described as the dead.

 

[sovereigngrace]

LOL that is funny actually. Interesting way to phrase it. I never thought of it like that, there really is two of everything huh. I don't know how that jives with what someone said earlier in the thread that those who are worthy to attain the resurrection will not marry or die etc. Btw, how can someone be "worthy to attain a resurrection" isnt EVERYONE resurrected? even the wicked? OR maybe its talking about the resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS. is what I assume.

Its also true that if there was no Revelation 20, this debate wouldnt even exist

Agreed! Premil is totally preoccupied with, and dependent upon, one chapter in the Bible – Revelation 20. It interprets the rest of Scripture in the light of its opinion of one lone highly-debated chapter located in the most figurative and obscure book in the Bible. All end-time Scripture is viewed through the lens of Revelation 20. This is not a very wise way to establish any truth or doctrine. Take this passage out of the equation and Premillennialism has nothing in the inspired pages to support their main tenets. Amils have a problem with, and very much disagree with this form of hermeneutics and exegesis of many Scriptures.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Can I ask btw, what do you believe about the future? Are you preterist, do you believe the only thing left to happen is the second coming? Or is the man of sin whom Jesus destroys at His coming still future? My answer is obviously YES as clearly Jesus hasnt returned yet

I am not a Preterist, although I agree with key points they espouse. I am not a Futurist, even though I agree with key elements of it. Denying the literal physical return of Christ is heresy. I believe the beast/antichrist/mystery of iniquity have been on the go from the beginning. They will have a short season at the end with Satan to do their thing, then they, and all rebellion, will be eliminated for ever. Jesus will introduce eternal perfection.

 

[DavidPT]

They invent 2 Gog/Magog wars at the end of two last days periods.

Speaking of that, maybe you shouldn't be so critical of Premils doing that when you are doing some of that yourself. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself are also doing that since you don't think anything involving Ezekiel 38-39 pertains to the last days of this age even though the text states it happens in the last days. Last days obviously have to have a last day eventually. So, how can there still be a last day in the future if the last day already happened in the past, meaning the last day pertaining to Ezekiel 38-39? And why are we all still here if the last day has already come and gone? Keeping in mind, lasts days have to have a last day, otherwise we are still in these same last days until that of the last day, and that you insist Ezekiel 38-39 is involving events that were fulfilled ages ago if I recall your position on this correctly. Therefore, you too, in regards to Gog/Magog invent 2 last days unless you want to argue that the last days involving Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 don't have a last day, but the last days involving Gog/Magog per Revelation 20 do. As if that is a reasonable conclusion to arrive at, that last days in some cases don't have a last day, but in other cases do.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Speaking of that, maybe you shouldn't be so critical of Premils doing that when you are doing some of that yourself. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself are also doing that since you don't think anything involving Ezekiel 38-39 pertains to the last days of this age even though the text states it happens in the last days. Last days obviously have to have a last day eventually. So, how can there still be a last day in the future if the last day already happened in the past, meaning the last day pertaining to Ezekiel 38-39? And why are we all still here if the last day has already come and gone? Keeping in mind, lasts days have to have a last day, otherwise we are still in these same last days until that of the last day, and that you insist Ezekiel 38-39 is involving events that were fulfilled ages ago if I recall your position on this correctly. Therefore, you too, in regards to Gog/Magog invent 2 last days unless you want to argue that the last days involving Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 don't have a last day, but the last days involving Gog/Magog per Revelation 20 do. As if that is a reasonable conclusion to arrive at, that last days in some cases don't have a last day, but in other cases do.

I disagree. There are latter days in a life, a nation, or a situation in the OT. I am not talking about that.

Check what I wrote. I am talking about repeated common NT phrases/teaching that are clear and repeated. Premil takes common linguistic terms that are easily understood by the unindoctrinated observer in any language to mean the opposite to what they actually say. For example, Premil does not believe that "first" means first and "last" means last. The English words “first” and “last” are taken from the Greek words protos and eschatos and are widely accepted by all unbiased theologians to denote exactly what they say. The word protos means first, as in the foremost in time, place, order or importance. The word eschatos on the other hand means end, last, farthest and final. It is explicitly clear from their usage, meaning and context in the New Testament that these words are the exact antithesis of each other.

 

[DavidPT]

Agreed! Premil is totally preoccupied with, and dependent upon, one chapter in the Bible – Revelation 20. It interprets the rest of Scripture in the light of its opinion of one lone highly-debated chapter located in the most figurative and obscure book in the Bible. All end-time Scripture is viewed through the lens of Revelation 20. This is not a very wise way to establish any truth or doctrine. Take this passage out of the equation and Premillennialism has nothing in the inspired pages to support their main tenets. Amils have a problem with, and very much disagree with this form of hermeneutics and exegesis of many Scriptures.

The thousand years have to fit somewhere and fit something, otherwise it would have been left out of the Bible altogether. I see both Premils and Amils going outside of the book of Revelation in order to try and determine where and what the thousand years fit. Why is that such a bad thing when Premils do that, but when Amils do that, it's a good thing?

 

[sovereigngrace]

The thousand years have to fit somewhere and fit something, otherwise it would have been left out of the Bible altogether. I see both Premils and Amils going outside of the book of Revelation in order to try and determine where and what the thousand years fit. Why is that such a bad thing when Premils do that, but when Amils do that, it's a good thing?

If you have any corroboration for all of the main tenets of Premil then please present them. I see nothing, absolutely nothing.

If I am wrong, please provide me with clear corroboration for these main tenets:

1. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that there are two distinct physical resurrection days (the first for the righteous, the second for the wicked) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
2. Where in Scripture does it mention "resurrection days" (plural), pertaining to the end?
3. What Scripture (including Revelation 20) do you consider definitely teaches there are two distinct future judgement days (that will see all mankind stand before Christ to give account for their lives) separated by a literal 1000 years+?
4. Where in Scripture does it mention "judgement days" (plural), in regard to the end?
5. What Scripture, if any, do you consider definitely corroborates the Premillennial interpretation of Revelation 20 that Satan will be bound for a time-span of 1000 years after the Second Advent, then released for a "little season" to deceive the nations, and then destroy them?

 

[5thKingdom]

The thousand years have to fit somewhere and fit something, otherwise it would have been left out of the Bible altogether.

That is hilarious.


Is it going OUTSIDE the Bible to understand Rev 20 shows BOTH
the THIRD BEAST.. the Great Commission of the Church Age WHILE Satan is "bound"
And the FOURTH BEAST shown as the Revelation Beast and Great Tribulation and reign of the Anti-Christ
DURING Satan's "Little Season" which happens AFTER being released from the Pit?


Your problem is that you cannot "see" the difference between the Great Commission of the Church Age
where all the Saints are "sealed" (saved) and the Great Tribulation where Satan and his Anti-Christ RULE.


Your problem was the church's problem also.


The church taught the Great Tribulation happens AT THE END of the Church Age... that is a partial truth.
However, the church never understood the Great Tribulation is a separate and distinct FOURTH BEAST on earth...
the church never understood that reality because that information remained "closed-up" and "sealed" to all Saints
(OT and NT Saints) until the Last Saints "shall understand" during a period specifically named the "Time-of-the-End.
[Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]


Please explain to me WHY you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE the meaning of Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10.
Do you not realize that, when you intentionally ignore Scripture you remain "willfully ignorant" of those teachings
AND you have no chance of finding "harmony of ALL RELATED passages?

I see both Premils and Amils going outside of the book of Revelation in order to try and determine where and what the thousand years fit. Why is that such a bad thing when Premils do that, but when Amils do that, it's a good thing?

LOL...


Going OUTSIDE of the Book of Revelations is called "Bible Study".
In order for your comment to BEGIN to make any sense whatsoever
you must first ASSUME that the information found in Revelations is NOT found
in any other book - in the Old Testament or New Testament... and that is ridiculous.


It is ridiculous for a very OBVIOUS reason.
The information about the Revelation Beast is ALSO SHOWN
in information about Daniel's Fourth Beast and information about
the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


So we can EXPECT to find MORE INFORMATION about the Revelation Beast
in books OUTSIDE of Revelations.


This is such a basic and essential element of the Gospel that it is hard to see
someone PRETEND that information about the FOURTH BEAST is ONLY found in Revelations.


I suggest you re-think your position because it is clearly contrary to Scripture.


Jim

 

[JulieB67]

Btw, how can someone be "worthy to attain a resurrection" isnt EVERYONE resurrected? even the wicked? OR maybe its talking about the resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS. is what I assume.

If you're talking about my earlier post, I specifically stated "all"changed -wicked as well. I believe some will still be spirtually dead though.

For me personally, one of my biggest things about amil that I can't wrap my head around is- are we really co reigning with Christ at this moment?? I don't believe so. Christianity is being more pushed under a rug than ever before here in the US- people being offended, sued, mocked etc. And certainly people are still being killed for their beliefs all over the world.
The Greek word is very specific in that it means to rule. We are not ruling. Some would say spiritually but that makes no sense. To reign is to rule. And that's certainly not the case right now. And it states those that don't take the mark, etc will reign with him a 1000 years. Only someone in a resurrected body could live and reign a 1000 years but again, some will chalk that up to symbolism or that means all believers living and reigning the past 2000 years.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

A person that is beheaded would have to be resurrected from the dead to be able to live and reign with Christ a 1000 years.

And though Christ is the first resurrection there's no reason not to have separation between the first resurrection after his coming and the second after the 1000 years. We are talking about people, not Christ at that point. It would be more confusing to say 3 resurrections and so on.

When do you believe this verse below takes place? It's certainly future but can't be the eternity. I don't believe any more judging will take place after Judgement Day. That wouldn't make sense. And do they take part in Judgement Day. I don't believe that as well. But some might.

Matthew 19:28 "And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."


The only throne/thrones in the eternity described is here,


Revelation 22:1 "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."

 

[5thKingdom]

For me personally, one of my biggest things about amil that I can't wrap my head around is- are we really co reigning with Christ at this moment?? I don't believe so. Christianity is being more pushed under a rug than ever before here in the US- people being offended, sued, mocked etc. And certainly people are still being killed for their beliefs all over the world.

Christ was crystal clear that He would be with the Saints until the "End of the Age"...
the end of the Great Commission... the end of the Church Age...
the THIRD BEAST on earth.


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always,
even unto the END OF THE AGE. Amen.


And WHY was that?
Because the Last Saint had to be "sealed" (saved) BEFORE the Great Tribulation (Revelation Beast) could begin...
before the FOURTH BEAST arises on the earth.


Rev 7:1-3
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth,
that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


However... you are correct that AFTER the end of the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13, in 7 verses]
the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" would begin... when Satan is loosened from the Bottomless Pit
to RULE during his "Little Season"


What may be confusing is whether we are still in the Great Commission of the Church Age - when the Saints
"lived and reigned with Christ" or whether we have BEGUN the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom... the Revelation Beast...
the RULE of the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn", "False Prophet" and "Man of Sin") during Satan's "Little Season"... the FOURTH BEAST.


Mat 25:1-2
THEN shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto [look like] TEN VIRGINS,
which took their lamps [their Gospels], and WENT FORTH [from the 3rd Kingdom, into the 4th Kingdom]
to meet the bridegroom [Jesus]. And five of them were wise [saved wheat], and five were foolish [unsaved tares].


The "THEN" in Matthew 25:1 is NOT the start of the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom – or (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(at Pentecost). Instead, it's the start of Daniel's Fourth (Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the start of Satan’s “Little Season”. It’s the rising of the 7-Headed Revelation Beast.
It begins the reign of the Anti-Christ for 3.5 “times/days/years/watches of the night”.


Dan 7:23
Thus he said, The Fourth Beast shall be the Fourth Kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse [different] from all [the other three] Kingdoms, and shall devour
the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


The “THEN” in Matthew 25:1 is when all of the Last Saints “went forth” with the Beast.
Before we can understand when, in history, the “THEN” occurs… we must first be able to discern
where the Last Saints “went forth” from (3rd Kingdom), and where they “went forth” into (4th Kingdom).
We must be able to discern the context of the passage, as it relates to Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven”.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

A person that is beheaded would have to be resurrected from the dead to be able to live and reign with Christ a 1000 years.

Read the passage again (carefully) and you will find it is NOT talking about resurrected people reigning for 1000 years...
John wrote very carefully... he saw "the souls" of them that were beheaded... they did not have bodies.
How could you have missed such a HUGE detail?

Jim

 

[DavidPT]

Going OUTSIDE of the Book of Revelations is called "Bible Study".
In order for your comment to BEGIN to make any sense whatsoever
you must first ASSUME that the information found in Revelations is NOT found
in any other book - in the Old Testament or New Testament... and that is ridiculous.

LOL in return, but not to get even, though. Had you read my comment correctly, you would have noticed that we are somewhat on the same page here, therefore, if my comment isn't making sense, then neither is yours. What I said was, both Premils and Amils go outside of the book Revelation in order to try and determine what the thousand years fit. Which might mean going to other books in the NT and or other books in the OT. But when Premils do that, it's a bad thing, apparently. But when Amils do it, it is a good thing, apparently. Not meaning from my perspective, meaning from the perspective of Amils since they insist anything we submit that we feel fits this time period, Amils flat out reject it. Premils see numerous OT passages fitting this thousand year time period.

One such passage some of us Premils, thus not all Premils, see fitting the thousand years, is the following in Daniel 7.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Which then is involving the following.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


Some interpreters insist that the above verses are involving the great white throne judgment(Revelation 20:11-15). That couldn't possibly be correct, though. For one thing, the little horn is the one being judged and cast into the LOF here, not any humans as well. Clearly, the GWTJ involves judging and sentencing humans, not the beast as well. Nowhere in Revelation 20:11-15 is the beast present at the time. The beast is already in the LOF before that judgment even happens. And then there is verse 12 above, as if it makes sense, assuming the GWTJ is meant, that anyone's lives would be prolonged for a season and time.

Clearly, Daniel 7:9-12 above involves a period of time prior to the GWTJ, and that I conclude it is involving what happens at the beginning of the thousand years. IOW, the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom(Daniel 7:22, keeping in mind, that the coming per that verse is involving the judgment per verses 9-12 above). This is involving Revelation 20:4-6, IOW. Which began with the coming of Christ recorded in Revelation 19, where I also take the coming meant in Daniel 7:22 to be this same coming of Christ recorded in Revelation 19.

If one places the beginning of the thousand years 2000 years ago, we run into a contradiction. There is no way that the little horn was given to the burning flame 2000 years ago, which would mean he was given to the burning flame before the time of the cross if one has the thousand years beginning around the time of the cross, which of course is illogical since that is not where Daniel 7:11 fits. Therefore, the thousand years are still future because the little horn is yet to be given to the burning flame, and that Daniel 7:12 is meaning after the beast is given to the burning flame. Which then means there has to be a period of time that follows in order to fulfill their lives being prolonged.

Pretty much all Premils and most Amils agree that when the beast is given to the burning flame, this is meaning Revelation 19:20, and that Revelation 19 is involving the 2nd coming of Christ. Which then places Daniel 7:12 after that of the 2nd coming. And once again, this indicates that there has to be a time period following the 2nd coming in order to fulfill Daniel 7:12.

 

[5thKingdom]

One such passage some of us Premils, thus not all Premils, see fitting the thousand years, is the following in Daniel 7.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

But WHY do you not include the entire CONTEXT?
The Fourth Beast, which is the subject of the passage you cited, is also the subject to the passage below
which provides additional information about the Kingdom the Fourth Beast Saints possess.
You will notice it's an ETERNAL Kingdom.


Dan 7:24
And the Ten Horns out of this [Fourth] Kingdom are Ten Kings that shall arise [also shown as Ten Virgins]:
and another [Little Horn] shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he [the Little Horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
[3.5 "times" = duration of the Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation] But the judgment [of God] shall sit [rule], and they
[the Last Saints] shall take away his [the Little Horn's] dominion [authority], to consume and to destroy it [the Fourth Beast]
it unto the end [of time]. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions
shall serve and obey him.


When you examine the CONTEXT of the passage about the END of the Fourth Beast you find (in every case)
the END of the Fourth Beast = the End of Time.


Rev 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Eschatology is not difficult. It's just a matter of understanding the CONTEXT of the Four Beasts.
Pre-Millennialist tend to make eschatology about 10x harder than it really is.
Because you cannot discern spiritual and literal language.
And you start with a presupposition.

Dan 7:11-12
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain,
and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


Some interpreters insist that the above verses are involving the great white throne judgment(Revelation 20:11-15).

Dan 7:11-12
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the [Little] Horn spake:
I beheld even till the [Fourth] Beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the Burning Flame.
As concerning the rest of the Beasts [the remaining Beasts], they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a Season and Time.



The Old Testament is very clear, there is a “Season and Time” on earth after the destruction of the Fourth Beast
(Revelation Beast), in which the previous Beasts continue to exist on earth, just without “dominion” (authority/rule).
The Bible teaches a “Season and Time” on earth after people of the Fourth Kingdom are “given to the Burning Flame”.
Remembering the end of Daniel’s Fourth Beast is the SAME EVENT as the end of the Revelation Beast, we should
be able to find parallel passages about this end-time event in the New Testament – and that is exactly what we find:


Rev 19:20
And the [Revelation] Beast was taken, and with him the False Prophet [the Anti-Christ]
that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the Mark of the Beast,
and them that worshipped his Image. These both were cast alive into a Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.


You don’t need to be a Bible scholar to see Daniel’s Fourth Beast being “given to the Burning Flame”
is the same event as the Revelation Beast being “cast alive into the Lake of Fire”. In both cases it represents
the end of the Fourth “Kingdom” on earth. In both cases it represents the end of the Great Tribulation “Kingdom”
and the end of Satan’s “Little Season”. In both cases it represents the people of the Fourth Kingdom being “cast alive”
into the eternal torment most people think of as “Hell”.


And that causes a problem for the (3rd) Christian Kingdom Gospel. Christian eschatology doesn’t teach about
people living on earth for a “Season and Time” after Daniel’s Fourth Beast (the Revelation Beast) is destroyed.
The Christian Gospel does not even include a Fourth “Kingdom of Heaven” after the Church Age is completed.
The Christian Gospel cannot harmonize some people living on earth after others have been “cast alive” into the
“Burning Flame” or “Lake of Fire”. This Biblical Truth remained “closed-up” and “sealed” until the Last Saints.


Christian Saints were never meant to understand the historical fulfillment of “Time of the End” events [Acts 1:7].
Just as the Jewish Saints were never meant to understand the end of their “Kingdom”, so also, Christian Saints
were never meant to understand the end of their “Kingdom of Heaven”. The Jewish Gospel and Christian Gospel
did not understand Daniel’s Fourth “Kingdom/Beast”. Those Truths remained “sealed” until the “Time of the End”.


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the TIME-OF-THE-END:
many [Last Saints] shall run to and fro, and knowledge [about the Gospel] SHALL BE INCREASED.


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the TIME-OF-THE-END.
Many [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND.


When the Lord Returns the Last Saints are NOT preaching the Gospel of the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2]
and they are NOT preaching the Gospel of the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13, in 7 verses]
and they are NOT preaching the Gospel of the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


Instead, when the Lord Returns, the Last Saints are preaching the historical fulfillment of Great Tribulation prophecies
the Lord PROMISED they "shall see ALL of these things" [Mat 24:33] and they are preaching Biblical mysteries that
remained "closed-up" and "sealed" to all previous (OT and NT) Saints until the Last Saints "shall understand"
during a period specifically named the "Time-of-the-End".


If YOUR gospel does not reflect this reality... why not?

Pretty much all Premils and most Amils, agree that when the beast is given to the burning flame, this is meaning Revelation 19:20, and that Revelation 19 is involving the 2nd coming of Christ. Which then places Daniel 7:12 after that of the 2nd coming. And once again, this indicates that there has to be a time period following the 2nd coming in ordr to fulfill Daniel 7:12.

Really... please read the comments about Dan 7:11-12 and Rev 19:20 (above)
and notice there is a "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast
into the "Burning Flame" and "Lake of Fire"... while the OTHER BEASTS "have their lives prolonged"
for a period called the "Season and Time".


Are you preaching that people continue to exist on earth for a "Season and Time"
AFTER the people of the Fourth Kingdom have been "cast alive" into eternal torment?
Is THAT what you are suggesting?


Jim

 

[Marilyn C]

You could not be more wrong.

Jesus was very clear [Mat 13]
that the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [7 verses] consists of BOTH
(1) saved "wheat/sheep" IN THE CHURCH sown by God and destined to eternal life and
(2) unsaved "tares/goats" IN THE CHURCH sown by Satan and destined to eternal torment.

Hi 5thKingdom,

Jesus NEVER revealed about the Body of Christ till He ascended to the Father and sent the Holy Spirit to reveal it to the Apostle Paul. (Eph. 3: 5)

 

[DavidPT]

But WHY do you not include the entire CONTEXT?
The Fourth Beast, which is the subject of the passage you cited, is also the subject to the passage below
which provides additional information about the Kingdom the Fourth Beast Saints possess.
You will notice it's an ETERNAL Kingdom.


Dan 7:24
And the Ten Horns out of this [Fourth] Kingdom are Ten Kings that shall arise [also shown as Ten Virgins]:
and another [Little Horn] shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he [the Little Horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
[3.5 "times" = duration of the Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation] But the judgment [of God] shall sit [rule], and they
[the Last Saints] shall take away his [the Little Horn's] dominion [authority], to consume and to destroy it [the Fourth Beast]
it unto the end [of time]. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions
shall serve and obey him.

Just because there might be a thousand years after the 2nd coming, that doesn't take away from the fact that there is only one kingdom and that it is everlasting. The millennium is simply the first thousand years of it is all. That assuming the thousand years are after the 2nd coming, where I then feel the following below tends to prove it is.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


The way I reason it, verse 21 involves the 42 month reign of the beast(Revelation 13) , and that the coming in verse 22 above is meaning at the end of/after the war involving verse 21. Which then leads to what is recorded below.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Which then means, as of Daniel 7:22 we are then in the period of time involving Revelation 19:19-21, which continues in Revelation 20.

Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

How does one propose the beast is slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame, unless there is a bodily return of Christ first? How can the one meant in verse 9 above not be meaning Christ, based on the following, for one?

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

How does one propose verse 12 above gets fulfilled unless there is still another period of time after Christ has returned? Verse 12 is meaning after the beast per verse 11 is given to the burning flame. And that verse 11 is meaning Revelation 19:20, and that Revelation 19 involves the bodily 2nd coming in the end of this age. Because, after all, in order for the beast to be taken and cast into the LOF(Revelation 19:20), it requires that someone has to bodily come and do it. It's not like Joe Biden is going to take the beast and cast it into the LOF. Somebody has to do that, though. And since Christ is present in Revelation 19, it involves Him doing that, which means He needs to bodily return first, thus why pretty much all Premils and most Amils agree Revelation 19 involves Christ's bodily return in the end of this age.

On a different note, here is something interesting if one is using the KJV. In the KJV if one does an exact phrase search for "and judgment was given", that phrase shows up in 2 verses total, one in the OT, the other in the NT. And since I don't believe in coincedences when it comes to the Bible, this tells me that someone is trying to tell us something here.


Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

IOW, Daniel 7:22 is telling us who the 'them' is meaning in Revelation 20:4. It is meaning the saints of the most High. Which then means as of Revelation 20:4, the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

 

[JulieB67]

he saw "the souls" of them that were beheaded... they did not have bodies.
How could you have missed such a HUGE detail?

These souls went on to "live" and reign with Christ a 1000 years. And the very next verse tells us they take part in the first resurrection. Meaning the first resurrection after Christ returns.

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[DavidPT]

Really... please read the comments about Dan 7:11-12 and Rev 19:20 (above)
and notice there is a "Season and Time" on earth AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast
into the "Burning Flame" and "Lake of Fire"... while the OTHER BEASTS "have their lives prolonged"
for a period called the "Season and Time".


Are you preaching that people continue to exist on earth for a "Season and Time"
AFTER the people of the Fourth Kingdom have been "cast alive" into eternal torment?
Is THAT what you are suggesting?


Jim

Your view for the most part tends to confuse me. I can't follow what it is that you believe, in regards to what I quoted above. You lost me a long time ago, unfortunately.

First you admit that there is a season and time after the 4th beast is destroyed. A lot of Amils around here disagree, though. Meaning any Amils who are not Preterists, but agree that Revelation 19 involves the 2nd coming in the end of this age. These Amils see that as the last day of this age, therefore, no more days for a season and a time to fit once the 4th beast is cast into the LOF.

Do you not agree that Revelation 19 involves the bodily return in the end of this age? Assuming you do agree, how can there be a season and a time following the 2nd coming unless there are more days remaining once Christ bodily returns? Except like I already pointed out, a lot of Amils around here don't see any more days remaining after the 4th beast is cast into the LOF. As to me though, since I'm not Amil, I tend to see the thousand years and satan's little season explaining the prolonging of their lives for a season and a time.

 

[Zao is life]

@RoadoftheGypsy Here's a comparison for you to help you make up your mind. It's in two parts:

1. Chronology of the Revelation according to John, as written by John

Excerpts from Revelation chapters 12, 13, 19 and 20; and from John 12:31-33; 1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians 6:11-12; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; James 4:7; and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, written by John, Paul, Peter and James:-

Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself. But He said this, signifying what kind of death He was about to die.

And she bore a son, a male, who is going to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and in the sea! For the Devil came down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time.

And when the dragon saw that he was cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who bore the man child.

And the earth helped the woman. And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

And put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, and the god of this age has blinded the minds of those who do not believe our gospel.

And submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Now we beseech you, my brothers, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, that you should not be soon shaken in mind or troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word or letter, as through us, as if the Day of Christ is at hand.
Let not anyone deceive you by any means. For that Day shall not come unless there first comes a falling away, and the man of sin shall be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself forth, that he is God.

And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns, and on its heads was the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority.
And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.
And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.

And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the miracles which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the wound by a sword and lived.
And there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might both speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth and their armies, being gathered to make war against Him who sat on the horse, and against His army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.

And I saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands.

And they were alive (zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This is the first (bodily) resurrection (anastasis).
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison. And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle. The number of them is as the sand of the sea.

And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them.

And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them.
And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

* Those who had refused to worship the beast or his image had overcome and were promised that the second death will have no power over them. When John sees the New Jerusalem, Jesus promises all that:

"He who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

* Those whom John saw that had come out from great tribulation are given the same promises (Revelation 7:13-17).

 

[Zao is life]

@RoadoftheGypsy

2. Chronology of the Revelation according to Amillennialism (after interpretation of the Bible by Amillennial theology)

Excerpts from Revelation chapters 12, 13, 19 and 20; and from John 12:31-33; 1 Peter 5:8-9; Ephesians 6:11-12; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; James 4:7; and 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, according to Amillennialism (after interpretation of the Bible by Amillennial theology):-

Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself. But He said this, signifying what kind of death He was about to die.

And she bore a son, a male, who is going to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and those tabernacling in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and in the sea! For the Devil came down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time.

-- insert from Revelation 20 -- And I saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time.

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands.

And they were alive (zao) and reigned with Christ a thousand years (during the same thousand years that the devil, who will be loosed when the thousand years have expired and wlill give power to the beast, was still bound. These saints and their resurrection represent all saints who have been quickened by the Spirit over the 2,000+ years since the devil had been bound so that he is unable to prevent the preaching of the gospel and the expansion of the Kingdom of God, and to deceive the nations so as to gather them to battle).

This is the first resurrection (it's a spiritual resurrection). Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will all be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years (over a period of 2,000+ years while Satan is bound, but they will be beheaded for their testimony to Christ and their refusal to worship the beast and his image once Satan is loosed).

And when the dragon (who was bound at this point) saw that he was cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who bore the man child.

And the earth helped the woman. And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon who had been bound was enraged over the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Therefore, be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, though he has been bound in terms of his ability to prevent the preaching of the gospel and the expansion of the Kingdom of God, still walks about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

And put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, and the god of this age has blinded the minds of those who do not believe our gospel (but only in terms of his ability to deceive the nations so as to gather them to battle against the camp of the saints).

And submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you, because when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be loosed out of his prison. And he will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle. The number of them is as the sand of the sea.

And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns, and on its heads was the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon (who had been loosed when the the thousand years expired) gave him its power and its seat and great authority.
And a mouth speaking great things was given to it, and blasphemies. And authority was given to it to continue forty-two months.
And it opened its mouth in blasphemy toward God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, and those dwelling in Heaven.
And all dwelling on the earth will worship it, those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.
And it was given to it to war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given to it over every tribe and tongue and nation.

And they went up over the breadth of the earth and circled around the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them.

And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.
And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the miracles which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the wound by a sword and lived.
And there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might both speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth and their armies, being gathered to make war against Him who sat on the horse, and against His army.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.

-- insert from Revelation 20 -- And fire came down from God out of Heaven and devoured them.

And the Devil who deceived them was cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet were. And he will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them.
And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

* Those who had refused to worship the beast or his image had overcome and were promised that the second death will have no power over them. When John sees the New Jerusalem, Jesus promises all that:

"He who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and the unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, will have their part in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

* Those whom John saw that had come out from great tribulation are given the same promises (Revelation 7:13-17).

 

[Zao is life]

So in the original Revelation of John, when the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them, there's no fire coming down and devouring them mentioned. Instead, we read that Christ will come with His armies following Him, and defeat the beast and false prophet, casting them into the lake of fire.

Amillennialism inserts the binding of Satan somewhere between Revelation 12:9 and Revelation 12:17. but it's no so clear exactly where it's inserted. I think that different Amillennialists have different views on exactly where and when it happened and where it should be inserted into the text.