U.S. Immigration - WE are NOT the problem. Our policies are NOT the problem.

[cfyahoo08]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the old "Get over it!" ploy. Aw... if it was only that simple I could have saved all that money on therapists and I wouldn't have seen the majority of the NDNs I know have to deal with the horrors of PTSD and the ever-present effects of the trauma that goes along with it.

Nope, just sharing info. What do you mean the majority of the NDN's ? Is that Native Americans ? and what caused their present day PTSD ?

 

[Jack Slatts]

I watched a documentary some years ago, that was saying that when a nation legalizes drugs, those that had made $ off of the drugs turn to sex trafficking

That makes no sense. There is already a booming industry of sex trafficking, arguably enough supply to fill the demand, so there would need to be an increased demand....

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Nope, just sharing info. What do you mean the majority of the NDN's ? Is that Native Americans ? and what caused their present day PTSD ?

It is Indian without the European reference to India.

In- di- an

N-D-N

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Nope, just sharing info. What do you mean the majority of the NDN's ? Is that Native Americans ? and what caused their present day PTSD ?

Yes, that is Native Americans and it's obvious you haven't had the time to read through each of the articles I posted or watch the three videos I also posted in my previous post. And a lot of the PTSD in many of the NDNs I know was made much worse while they were in Standing Rock last year.

Read through all of the articles and watch those videos. Educate yourself.

DAPL Water Protectors at Risk for PTSD

Addressing Trauma in American Indian and Alaska Native Youth

Native Children Have the Same Rate of PTSD as Combat Veterans

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and Symptoms among American Indians and Alaska Natives

Study Finds American Indian Adults Exposed to Early Life Trauma More Likely to Develop PTSD

 

[Shiloh Raven]

It is Indian without the European reference to India.

In- di- an

N-D-N

Thank you for speaking up like this. I really appreciate it. I'm going to step away from here for awhile since I've been talking about real life issues that are very close to home. I'll be back later. Peace.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Thank you for speaking up like this. I really appreciate it. I'm going to step away from here for awhile since I've been talking about real life issues that are very close to home. I'll be back later. Peace.

I hope a break helps and things are OK. I’ll be taking my 24 hour break soon. Peace back at 'cha

 

[RRep]

Been there, done that and it hasn't taken away what I am still dealing with to this very day.

forgive and move on. Just think what would turtle Island look like if horses were not brought over from Europe. If the Natives kept filling The Island with there offspring the world would look the same but 2000 yrs from now. you are alive now make the best of it.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

forgive and move on. Just think what would turtle Island look like if horses were not brought over from Europe. If the Natives kept filling The Island with there offspring the world would look the same but 2000 yrs from now. you are alive now make the best of it.

It is not a matter of forgiving or a matter of moving on. If you had the slightest clue to what you are talking about instead of spouting the usual Christian jargon I have heard ad nauseam through the course of my adult life, I might take you seriously. It's nothing personal against you, but I have too much experience to know that it's never been a matter of simply forgiving and moving on. As I told the other member earlier, read the articles and watch the videos I posted in my previous posts and educate yourself about this real life issue so you can better understand it and why it happens.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

I hope a break helps and things are OK. I’ll be taking my 24 hour break soon. Peace back at 'cha

Yeah, everything is okay. It's just a coping mechanism I have to help me deal with this issue when discussing the details becomes a bit too much for me. I'm good now though. Thanks.

 

[RRep]

forgive and move on. Just think what would turtle Island look like if horses were not brought over from Europe. If the Natives kept filling The Island with there offspring the world would look the same but 2000 yrs from now. you are alive now make the best of it.

these people that are evil have a plan to Cull the worlds population down to 500 million. Their doing it by all means necessary. That is what free will ends up doing. Believe in Jesus alone for salvation.

 

[RRep]

It is not a matter of forgiving or a matter of moving on. If you had the slightest clue to what you are talking about instead of spouting the usual Christian jargon I have heard ad nauseam through the course of my adult life, I might take you seriously. It's nothing personal against you, but I have too much experience to know that it's never been a matter of simply forgiving and moving on. As I told the other member earlier, read the articles and watch the videos I posted in my previous posts and educate yourself about this real life issue so you can better understand it and why it happens.

Look I did not like the fact that I was a liar, thief a cheater, and did not love the God of Creation with all my heart soul and mind. in stead I made my own God that was all love but was not a Judge. I never worshiped or prayed to animal spirits either, called Idle worship. Some Jews were killed when their God sent Babylon to take and destroy them for not keeping the greed upon laws. The native's God wanted belief on him but they turned to spirits. We all deserve Death. So I turned to Jesus's sacrifice and resurrection for salvation. Now I do not worry about death of relatives they know the way back to God through Jesus Christ. Jesus said he came not to bring peace but a sword of truth. Peace will come after Jesus's 1000 reign on Earth. Then He will make a knew heaven's and Earth.

 

[RRep]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the old "Get over it!" ploy. Aw... if it was only that simple I could have saved all that money on therapists and I wouldn't have seen the majority of the NDNs I know have to deal with the horrors of PTSD and the ever-present effects of the trauma that goes along with it.

Since you seem rather relunctant to google Historical Trauma and Intergenerational Trauma among Native Americans and the high suicide rate among Native youth, let me help you out here.

Historical Trauma and Cultural Healing

Intergenerational Trauma In Native American Communities

Addressing Trauma in American Indian and Alaska Native Youth

Intergenerational Trauma: Understanding Natives’ Inherited Pai
Cultural Issues in Historical Trauma and Implications for Youth at Risk
watched all 3
The Psychological Impact of Historical Trauma On the Native American People

Historical Trauma Among Native Americans: What Social Providers Need to Know

The Impact of Historical and Intergenerational Trauma on American Indian and Alaska Native Communities

The suicide rate among Native American youth is the highest in this country.

Native Americans Facing Highest Suicide Rates

Native American Youth Suicide Rates Are At Crisis Levels

Suicide among young American Indians nearly double national rate

Suicide Rates Among Native American Adolescents Have Reached 'Crisis Level': CDC

And watching these videos would be beneficial for personal awareness as well.

 

[FireDragon76]

Mr. Gumball is ignoring that the humanitarian grounds aren't merely about poverty but about the extreme violence in central America.

Of course immigration can't solve the worlds poverty but we need an immigration policy that is more than simply re-iteration of 19th century nativism. Because that does not reflect the America that I know.

 

[Desk trauma]

these people that are evil have a plan to Cull the worlds population down to 500 million. Their doing it by all means necessary. That is what free will ends up doing.

Free will ends in a conspiracy that runs counter to reality?

 

[RainbowBrains]

I watched a documentary some years ago, that was saying that when a nation legalizes drugs, those that had made $ off of the drugs turn to sex trafficking

As a veteran, I can attest to the fact that the US military places a huge demand on sex trafficking any where it goes. It is very bad. We also go places with our entitled ways of thinking and then cause trouble by raping and killing their people. Don't believe me? Look it up.

 

[RainbowBrains]

Cultural appropriations, yeah thats a term thats being thrown about today but hummmm. I wonder just how society would be without people having done that, and sometimes the are integrated into society and improved upon. Without it where would we be ? We would not have the freedoms we have today, we'd not even have pizza.

It sounds like you're misunderstanding what cultural appropriation means. Cultural appropriation is when one cultural group, in this case the one propping itself up as dominant, takes or exploits something from another culture without any respect for, and sometimes without any acknowledgement of, it's origin or history. The culture it was borrowed from gets no benefit for having that trait and is sometimes penalized for having that trait or custom. They don't even get the freedom to enjoy or t ruely respect thier culture but white Americans keep the freedom they've always had to devalue them and take their stuff too.

 

[cfyahoo08]

It sounds like you're misunderstanding what cultural appropriation means. Cultural appropriation is when one cultural group, in this case the one propping itself up as dominant, takes or exploits something from another culture without any respect for, and sometimes without any acknowledgement of, it's origin or history. The culture it was borrowed from gets no benefit for having that trait and is sometimes penalized for having that trait or custom. They don't even get the freedom to enjoy or t ruely respect thier culture but white Americans keep the freedom they've always had to devalue them and take their stuff too.

No benefit do you have any information to substantiate that ? Just because something started out not necessary as good or right does not mean it does not get turned into something good or better. Water into Wine, God can and does work miracles turning bad things into good, and whatever bad or good comes into our lives it will be ok if we do our best

 

[RainbowBrains]

There are so many shades of gray, history was NOT as black and white as it is made out to be. "Native" Americans kept slaves, in fact they kept them after the "White" man outlawed it. Facts are people have done horrible things to one another for all kinds of reasons, right or wrong, We are better to be united than divided, we are better to love one another than to hate one another. It does no good to relive or discuss past wrongs if we do not learn from them moving forward, as far as freedoms are concerned, could we have more of the certainly and I think a well functioning goverment enhances peoples freedoms not remove them.

This is a very soft handed approach to the atrocities the USA has committed. Besides, slavery is illegal except in the case of incarceration and considering how much more likely a brown person is to end up in prison (or dead) than those white counterparts...

USA kidnapped, raped, and brutally enslaved a lot of people. After they were freed, they continue to kill them, deny them justice, blame them, deny them restitution or payment for thier services, deny them the ability to vote etc.

There are treaties in place with Indigenous American tribes that the USA made and just...never honored.

The Hawaiians got their stuff taken away and all they got from the USA was a weak "Sorry, we were wrong. Btw, you're not getting your land or anything back. We're still going to use you for our own benefit." This is all just scratching the surface.

The USA hasn't learned from it'd mistakes. It's still mistreating brown folks no matter where they come from.Our government has been functioning poorly since it started.

 

[RainbowBrains]

3 generations back grandma was a Cherokee. Get saved. then forgive. and look forward to the new heavens and earth Jesus promised to His Believers on his Death burial and resurrection.

Forgiveness doesn't mean lack or consequences or lack or awareness of the effects of injustice on your life. In Numbers 14, Yah forgives the people of Israel (his words) but he also says not one of them (save Calev and Yehoshua) would enter the promised land.

 

[RainbowBrains]

I don't know all of these reasons someone might be trying to get out of thier their home country. If They came in illegally, it may be due to something wildly unpleasent. Our policy, or at least our execution of it, is kind of problem though. We take thier children away, sometimes we accidentally give them to human traffickers. We show now real motivation to actually give the children back before deporting thier parents and we take the parents record and then make them pay for expensive DNA tests to prove they are are their relatives. Then we mistreat the children while in custody. God says to care for the orphan and widow and here we are literally making orphans. We don't actually enfore the laws that would penalize large coorperations for knowingly hiring illegal immegrants so that they can pay them a pittance and treat them like dirt.