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Bryan Huie demonstrated quite convincingly that the goat for Hashem corresponds symbolically to Yeshua, and that the goat for Azazel represents the antichrist.
But your view could simultaneously be true, as the scriptures are very deep and complex and can have multiple, non-contradictory, meanings.

I agree with that statment about two things equaly true in one....for an arguement could be made that if children of Adam have taken a nature of satan/devil/anti-christ as a father and god of this world.....then that thorn in the flesh of Adams nature....which is to be crucified in Messiah but remains though I am hidden in him....ready to revive if I trust in self instead of his gift of his life one with me.

So untill corruption puts on incorruption...adam hidden in me as I am hidden in him making a new man that shall not be revealed untill that day
 
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I have brung this post forward for consideration as barrabis to me is not a sacrifice wich bore our sin since he was sin as to the choice between the two that point seems valide but on day of atonement it was not a choice between two but both were sacrificed to YHWH

Rick, all the sacrifices had to be presented on the same day.

Barrabas is just one feature, one person representing part of a sacrifice, and that was specific to Yom Kippur. The specifics of ALL the sacrifices are present.

John had to have his head cut off, and Judas had to have his intestines displayed because the head is cut off and viewed by the authorities and so is the intestines.

Looking at the head, and the intestines is looking at the intentions of a man in two aspects.

And those two men were just part of one sacrifice.


Christians make the claim that Jesus is all the sacrifices, but they don't realize what they say.

In order for Jesus to be ALL the sacrifices, ALL Must be seen to show ALL sacrifices, and this details a great deal.


Let's say that I am a Jew, and you make the statement that Jesus is all the sacrifices, is that just something you have been taught to say, or can you sit down and show the traditions of Passover, and then move on to Shavuot, and then move on to Yom Kippur, and move on to Sukkot?

Every Christian should know all the sacrifices, and how to prove that all the feast days were moved to a single day with the traditions carried out for each, that is a great deal of information, and a great deal of people were involved in showing these things.

It's not that any one man helped Jesus carry the sins, it's that everyone around Jesus took part in his sacrifice not even knowing it.


It is one thing to just say,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices.'' And it is another thing to detail exactly how that all happened.

We say that Jesus was the sukkot Bull on Passover, how so?

It is really there, so explain to me how Jesus was the Sukkot, I know you can explain the Passover, and the Passover is very well seen, but so is all the sacrifices, and their details.
 
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Great point.
And indeed, the people were basically asked to choose between Yeshua and the 'Son of the Father', an interesting choice.

They were asked this

Shall we give you Jesus, son of the father, or should we give you Jesus, son of the father?
 
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"Hebrew religion, language, culture "

you are saying these things will save us?

ps all goats die!

Nobody watches whether or not you keep the Sukkot, nobody cares if you keep all the laws of Sukkot.

The point is not that everyone must come to Jerusalem for Sukkot every year.

The point is that people stop worshipping the feast days and traditions of devils, and then to make claims that they are now God's worship system.

The point is that a person converts to a religion, and then leaves behind their involvement of all other gods.

This is what Paul said, we don't have to get caught up in keeping every little thing, and we aren't to judge anyone in their feast days and traditions.

I don't judge anyone in whether they keep all the laws of Sukkot, but I DO JUDGE people who claim the worship system of Babylon is about Jesus.

I DO judge people and tell them when they say,'' The feast days are ended, and we are not to follow God in these things.''

It was a given that all the converts accepted the feast days of Christ, and indeed, we are taught to WALK IN PASSOVER, TO DIE IN PASSOVER WITH CHRIST, and then we progressively move into Shavuot after we have learned to walk in Pesach, and after walking in Pesach and Shavuot, the goal is to walk in Sukkot.

These days are shadows of THINGS TO COME, not things that are over and done with.
 
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so the dead man Aaron= his goat dies and
The azalea goat dies..
and every other goat on the planet dies..
what exactly do especially these goats represent to all JUDAH ?

sorry but they can't be our priests until they love all of us and him and take all of us to his temple with them !! .. no more AZAZEL for Judah or Levi !!
there will be no kingdom and no wedding/ marriage of the sticks and to him .. until the goats all die and you all love as much or more, as most of us already love you and stand with you and for you on the battlefield and with money and every other way we possibly can !
but you can't represent US all in his temple and in his kingdom ,, until you love us as much as he does or at least as much as we love you !

All goats must die!

Tell us about the wedding ceremony, what day is it?

What is going to happen on this appointed day?

The bride knows the day and she makes herself ready because NOBOBY, BUT NOBODY has consummated the marriage, and in fact, the majority come up to the wedding ceremony all happy, singing happy songs until the true brides enter the marriage chamber and the door is closed to the majority.

They will be standing outside the door weeping because they stood alone with no extra vessel filled with oil.

But what day is the wedding ceremony and what else takes place?

Who are the two witnesses to the wedding and what are their roles?

One pertains to the groom, and the other pertains to the bride, and who are these guests?

This is what is so sad, that the supposed brides do not know the visitation days of their supposed husband and they do not make ready for their groom because they know nothing of such things.

This is the main goal of Anti-Christ, to turn the people away from the times and seasons of Christ so they literally do not know the day or what they are to be doing.

The sadness of so many who will see the virgins shining and ask,'' Why do they shine and we do not?''


Because they prayed for the rain, they made themselves ready for their husband, and they know the appointed days of their husband and what they are to be doing in order to be able to set foot into the chamber of consummation.

This is why Paul says,'' We have no fear of Jesus coming to break into our bodies like a thief in the night, we KNOW the times and seasons of our God, we will not be taken by surprise like all the world.

Any person taken by surprise has already lost.

But there is no reason whatsoever to be found wanting and unaware.

Not for the bride who knows her husband.


That day is just a few days away Nan, if you are found doing what you are to be doing, and watching when you are to be watching, it may be that it's not too late.

If God has instructed his servants to practice a thing for thousands of years, shouldn't we already know these things?

Salvation is salvation, and salvation comes to the majority, but those people who are saved but do not know the appointed days will have no part in the first resurrection.
 
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Yom Kippur is the day that the great trumpet is blown, and when we hear the trumpet, if we have observed the day in sincerity, we automatically know that our name has just been inscribed in the book and recorded, we are to be watching but what does Yom Kippur really teach?


Anytime you read about goats going to the left, and sheep to the right, we are speaking of Yom Kippur.

Yom Kippur teaches us that God is coming to have a face to face with everyone, and he is coming to judge all people and all nations in how they have treated Israel.

God gave us the ceremony of the casting of lots during Yom Kippur to teach us how He will judge the nations of the world prior to the Messianic age


The person who has mistreated the Jews and nations who are against them are goats and goat nations, and the people who have blessed Israel, and taken care of the family of Messiah are sheep and sheep nations.

Yom Kippor is the day that you are put on the left, or put on the right, your name is either recorded in the book of life, or you are sealed with death. It is the day of the measuring of the temple.

Yom Kippur language~~For we know in part; and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known (1 Corinthians 13:9-12).

BTW~~~Where does this language stem from?

Both verse 11 and the phrase in verse 12, "For now we see through a glass, darkly" come from the Jewish Midrash.



What happens is that something really big takes place on Rosh Hashanah{The last Trumpet/Marriage feast}.

When the marriage supper comes and the many find out that they were not true brides, they are then given TEN DAYS to repent right up until Rosh Yom Kippur when their final fate is sealed.

If this were to happen this year, suddenly there will be lions amongst the nations of the world mixed in with the people, and the brides who thought they were brides, but are now found wanting will weep bitterly, and for ten days they will repent at having seen the true bride.

For ten days they will gather the wealth of the nations to set at the feet of the Jews in repentance.

For ten days they will seek to do good works while casting dirt upon their heads because they will only have ten days.

From Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur, the gates of heaven are opened up for repentance.








Eddie Chumney,'' From Adam, it has been almost 6,000 years and 120 Jubilees. The number 120 points to the end of the age of the flesh and the reign of the life of the spirit (Genesis 6:3). The ultimate fulfillment of the year of Jubilee will take place at the second coming of Messiah. The earth will be redeemed and come into full and complete rest from the curse brought upon it by Adam's sin. Complete restoration of man's lost inheritance will take place. God's people will be totally set free -- set at liberty, from all sin, sickness and disease, death, and the curse. Satan, the source of all these things, will be bound and true rest will be realized. The tabernacle of God will be with men and He will dwell with them (Revelation 21:1-4). So, the year of Jubilee and the day of Atonement speak of the fullness of the redemptive plan of God for man.''

Eddie Chumney-7 feast of Christ.~I really like this about the marriage.

The high priest (Cohen HaGadol) could only go into the Holy of Holies once a year (Leviticus [Vayikra] 16:2; Hebrews 9:6-7). (God issued a warning that no man could see His face and live (Exodus [Shemot] 33:20). But because on the Day of Atonement the priest could be in God's presence (Leviticus [Vayikra] 16:2), another term for the Day of Atonement is "face to face."

By the time of the second temple, this ritual [the high priest's (Cohen HaGadol) ceremony] had been somewhat elaborated, and one crucial element had been added to it. That element was that on three separate occasions, in a grand crescendo, the high priest appeared before the people, and three times he recited a formula of confession in their hearing. The first confession was on the account of his own sins and those of his household; the second, on the account of the priestly tribe of Levi; the third, on the account of the whole people.

On this occasion only, in the entire year, the confession included the priest's saying aloud the name of God embodied in the Hebrew letters YHVH (called the Tetragrammaton). This was the name that God gave and explained to Moses (Moshe) at the burning bush, the name that was a kind of distillation of "I am Becoming Who I am Becoming," the name that was not a name in the sense of a label by which God could be called and controlled, and therefore the name that could not be said aloud. It was, therefore, all year long euphemized by saying, whenever YHVH appeared in the text, or invocation, Adonai, The Lord. Only on Yom Kippur was the name said, aloud, in all its original awesomeness. (How the name was pronounced on this occasion was so thoroughly protected from record-keeping, that might profane it, that we no longer know how it was done.)

In each confession, when the high priest reached the recitation of the name, the whole people would prostrate themselves and say aloud, "Baruch shem K'vod malchuto l'olam va'ed," which means, "Blessed be the Name of the radiance of the Kingship, forever and beyond." On the third recitation, the one for their own sins, they knew that the high priest (Cohen HaGadol) had just before-on this one occasion in all the year-entered the Holy of Holies, the inmost room of the temple (Beit HaMikdash) where God's Presence was most fully felt. He entered it three times, and only then came out to confess on behalf of all the people and put their sins upon the head of the goat for azazel.

The result of this triple entry into the Holy of Holies, this triple recitation of God's most holy name, and this triple prostration by the entire people, was an utterly awesome sense of God's Presence making atonement for the people, cleansing them of all their sins, permitting them to begin the year afresh, renewing their lives. So total was this sense of transformation that, after it, the mood of the people shifted from solemn awe to joyful celebration. The young, unmarried men and women went to dance in the fields and to choose spouses for themselves. Yom Kippur and the fifteenth of Av were the only days in the year when this kind of mass public espousal would take place.

Therefore, when the high priest stood before God on this day, he was said to be "face to face" with God. Because of this, Yom Kippur became known by the phrase "face to face." "Face to face" terminology was used in First Corinthians 13.
 
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The point is that people stop worshipping the feast days and traditions of devils, and then to make claims that they are now God's worship system.
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( did you mean ? )" The point is that people stop(ped) worshipping( HIM on) the feast days ". because I am pretty sure no one is supposed to worship the feast days.. we are to worship on them at some point in our walk with him that HE will write those laws he wants us to fulfill on our hearts because he has changed our hearts ,,,, YES you know I and everyone here mostly will agree with that!! ( I love you!!! :D :hug:)

It was a given that all the converts accepted the feast days of Christ, and indeed, we are taught to WALK IN PASSOVER, TO DIE IN PASSOVER WITH CHRIST, and then we progressively move into Shavuot after we have learned to walk in Pesach, and after walking in Pesach and Shavuot, the goal is to walk in Sukkot.

These days are shadows of THINGS TO COME, not things that are over and done with.

:amen::amen::amen::amen::amen:


but how they get to that place is His business all the details are his business.. and we are only to be who he needs us to be.. carry what we must carry and do what he asks of us knowing he is the author and finisher of our faith and their faith , right?

Because religion with out him is Islam.. and can only end there and rome and islam and the 10 tribes and the 2 tribes prove that is the bottom line of what humanity is with out him, heck even when he was in their midst but not in their souls guiding every step ......
Humanity is just not capable of judging what is good and what is evil with out Him.. much less the impossible task of achieving any place close to both real love and righteousness inside the same person.. ONLY he can create that in us and only when we trust him fully for the others around us and our ourselves .
Because I have no doubt I wouldn't be who I am with out the path HE set me on and guided me through it and continues to step by step, argument and fight after argument and fight.. :p .. ( and now you have to know for sure I am not lieing..:thumbsup:)
 
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Tell us about the wedding ceremony, what day is it?

What is going to happen on this appointed day?

The bride knows the day and she makes herself ready because NOBOBY, BUT NOBODY has consummated the marriage, and in fact, the majority come up to the wedding ceremony all happy, singing happy songs until the true brides enter the marriage chamber and the door is closed to the majority.

They will be standing outside the door weeping because they stood alone with no extra vessel filled with oil.

But what day is the wedding ceremony and what else takes place?

Who are the two witnesses to the wedding and what are their roles?

One pertains to the groom, and the other pertains to the bride, and who are these guests?

This is what is so sad, that the supposed brides do not know the visitation days of their supposed husband and they do not make ready for their groom because they know nothing of such things.

This is the main goal of Anti-Christ, to turn the people away from the times and seasons of Christ so they literally do not know the day or what they are to be doing.

The sadness of so many who will see the virgins shining and ask,'' Why do they shine and we do not?''


Because they prayed for the rain, they made themselves ready for their husband, and they know the appointed days of their husband and what they are to be doing in order to be able to set foot into the chamber of consummation.

This is why Paul says,'' We have no fear of Jesus coming to break into our bodies like a thief in the night, we KNOW the times and seasons of our God, we will not be taken by surprise like all the world.

Any person taken by surprise has already lost.

But there is no reason whatsoever to be found wanting and unaware.

Not for the bride who knows her husband.


That day is just a few days away Nan, if you are found doing what you are to be doing, and watching when you are to be watching, it may be that it's not too late.

If God has instructed his servants to practice a thing for thousands of years, shouldn't we already know these things?

Salvation is salvation, and salvation comes to the majority, but those people who are saved but do not know the appointed days will have no part in the first resurrection.
I will agree 1000% , thank you for this..
ready > set > go ! :clap:
 
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Rick, all the sacrifices had to be presented on the same day.

Barrabas is just one feature, one person representing part of a sacrifice, and that was specific to Yom Kippur. The specifics of ALL the sacrifices are present.

John had to have his head cut off, and Judas had to have his intestines displayed because the head is cut off and viewed by the authorities and so is the intestines.

Looking at the head, and the intestines is looking at the intentions of a man in two aspects.

And those two men were just part of one sacrifice.

Christians make the claim that Jesus is all the sacrifices, but they don't realize what they say.

In order for Jesus to be ALL the sacrifices, ALL Must be seen to show ALL sacrifices, and this details a great deal.

Let's say that I am a Jew, and you make the statement that Jesus is all the sacrifices, is that just something you have been taught to say, or can you sit down and show the traditions of Passover, and then move on to Shavuot, and then move on to Yom Kippur, and move on to Sukkot?

Every Christian should know all the sacrifices, and how to prove that all the feast days were moved to a single day with the traditions carried out for each, that is a great deal of information, and a great deal of people were involved in showing these things.

It's not that any one man helped Jesus carry the sins, it's that everyone around Jesus took part in his sacrifice not even knowing it.

It is one thing to just say,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices.'' And it is another thing to detail exactly how that all happened.

We say that Jesus was the sukkot Bull on Passover, how so?

It is really there, so explain to me how Jesus was the Sukkot, I know you can explain the Passover, and the Passover is very well seen, but so is all the sacrifices, and their details.

We are speaking from two differant prongs of a three prong fork...as I said truth...teaching of truth...manifestation of truth....the true feast day is from heaven....he spoke and gave the teaching of who he is and what he is working to Israel through Moses....when the word became flesh these things were and are being manifested
You are using the teaching to draw conclusion about the manifestation....which is right and good.....I am using the teaching to draw conclusion about what was done in heaven...also right and good....these three are one
And as with most threes we are incomplete if we do not study all

A few nights ago you made observation thet Yeshua was alter of incense and met resistance because others thought the teaching was the manifestation....he is truth all he has taught teaches of him all things spoken of by him are him....I have a great deal to learn but Paul says that the way to this understanding is to determine to know nothing save Messiah and his sacrifice.

So I see a better picture after reading your post and thank you for writting it.
 
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( I love you!!! :D :hug:)

Well that changes everything.

In my best Johnny Carson impression,'' I did not know that.''


This is cause for a whole new strategy.

{Taking out my crayons and choosing the blue, and here is my list}
 
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so now you are making fun of people who use crayons..

" is really there, so explain to me how Jesus was the Sukkot,"

but I do believe he is ! shall I draw it with crayons? :p I can do it that way I promise..

well kind of pictured allegorically like.. a living woven basket which will filter/sieve/ seine / screne/ hedge the living from the dead , or maybe maybe the sheep from the goats .

Sukkoth it is a picture of how he is the only living weaving /way/ covering through the sukkot/ covering / protection to the Father and their kingdom .. because it separates the living ( as he defines it ) from the dead ( as he defines it ) .

Hebrew Lexicon :: H5526 (KJV)
 
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s o now you are making fun of people who use crayons..

" is really there, so explain to me how Jesus was the Sukkot,"

but I do believe he is ! shall I draw it with crayons? :p I can do it that way I promise..

well kind of pictured allegorically like.. a living woven basket which will filter/sieve/ scene the living from the dead , or maybe maybe the sheep from the goats .

Sukkoth it is a picture of how he is the only living weaving /way/ covering through the sukkot/ covering / protection to the Father and their kingdom .. because it separates the living ( as he defines it ) from the dead ( as he defines it ) .

Hebrew Lexicon :: H5526 (KJV)

Big Question.

Jesus did not go up to the feast of Tabernacles right away, because it was not his time, and this looks for the fall feast days to be fulfilled at the second coming of Christ, a day that is particular to the Lord when at Eve, it shall be light, just as Sukkot is like daytime at night.

We have been given a body on loan that does not even belong to us, and it is a test of Sukkot in what we do with what we have been given.

If we have been given this temporary body on loan, and we prove that what we do in this life is selfish, then why would God give us what belongs to us?

Luke 16~He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?


We all have tents, and when Jesus says that he goes away to build houses, he is speaking of a new body, a new tent.

But we are symbolically the body and temple of Christ, and so in this view, we are the tent which is of Christ, his body.

He was the perfect tabernacle, the perfect covering for all.


Hebrews 9

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;




2 Corinthians 5

5 Our bodies are like tents that we live in here on earth. But when these tents are destroyed, we know that God will give each of us a place to live. These homes will not be buildings that someone has made, but they are in heaven and will last forever. 2 While we are here on earth, we sigh because we want to live in that heavenly home. 3 We want to put it on like clothes and not be naked.

4 These tents we now live in are like a heavy burden, and we groan. But we don’t do this just because we want to leave these bodies that will die. It is because we want to change them for bodies that will never die. 5 God is the one who makes all of this possible. He has given us his Spirit to make us certain that he will do it. 6 So always be cheerful!

As long as we are in these bodies, we are away from the Lord. 7 But we live by faith, not by what we see. 8 We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord. 9 But whether we are at home with the Lord or away from him, we still try our best to please him. 10 After all, Christ will judge each of us for the good or the bad that we do while living in these bodies.


Acts 15

12The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14Simona has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:


16“ ‘After this I will return

and rebuild David’s fallen tent.

Its ruins I will rebuild,

and I will restore it,

17that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,

even all the Gentiles who bear my name,

says the Lord, who does these things’ —

18things known from long ago.




Jesus was born on the first day of Booths, in a booth, he was the star seen in the booth, and then he was circumcised 8 days later.

He walked as an example of how all men should walk, and the construction of a booth is the same to look at your own construction and to what you are building, and weaving.

Looking at the veil which was about 4 feet thick, it is a progression through the black shegoats, through the rams, and when you get to the most inner covering within the Holy of Holies, you are looking at a work of fine twisted linen.


That most inner covering of fine twisted linen is the wedding garment






Isaiah 28
A Cornerstone in Zion
…19"As often as it passes through, it will seize you; For morning after morning it will pass through, anytime during the day or night, And it will be sheer terror to understand what it means." 20The bed is too short on which to stretch out, And the blanket is too small to wrap oneself in. 21For the LORD will rise up as at Mount Perazim, He will be stirred up as in the valley of Gibeon, To do His task, His unusual task, And to work His work, His extraordinary work.…


Rosh Hashanah

The Parable of the Banquet
…11"But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?' And the man was speechless. 13"Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'…

There is so much scripture about the feast of Tabernacles, that it is hard to decide from which angle you come from.

But the point and end result is that we do not stand naked in the day of the Lord, and this has to be worked at.

Revelation 3
16'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 17'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, 18I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.…

How does one cover himself?


1st Peter 4
8Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins. 9Be hospitable to one another without complaint.…

James 5:20
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.



What will happen at the second coming of Jesus when the feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled?

It is described in great detail in Revelation and places like Zechariah 14.


The feast of Tabernacle is like the exact same day as Passover, and the first coming of Jesus as the rain in the spring for Passover only looks to the greater coming of Jesus in the feast of Tabernacles.

In my view, what happened at the first coming is what is going to happen in the second coming but only on a much grander scale.
 
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so yes I am afraid I do agree with you.
everyone will be humbled!
rightfully so !
that no one can boast.

but yes I guessing that the total solar eclipse coming points to that judgement and darkness coming.. and the partial eclipse points to dividing the light and the dark in the churches / maybe in Israel or to Jews too or both.
but I don't know squat about signs in the sky, so don't take that too serious.
it is just what i'm guessing.
 
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Will this coming Yom Kippur reveal the "son of perdition" "Azazel"?

Can I put a link to this post on my calendar? Like I said on the other thread, someone on my forum said this week that the ark of the covenant is to be revealed tomorrow (Saturday). Obviously, it won't (because it doesn't exist). But, it'll be fun to have it on the calendar and then talk to her the next day and remind her of the foolishness of making these types of prophecies.

Can I put you on the calendar as thinking that this year's Yom Kippur will bring about the revelation of the Son of Perdition, as per the pseudo-Pauline words of 2 Thessalonians 2?
 
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