Two Aspects of Salvation (Believers Need to Be Concerned With):

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I'll take this to mean that you believe you have no sin.

It’s take this to mean you can sin and still be saved like John Piper.

 

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It’s take this to mean you can sin and still be saved like John Piper.

Yep. Believers will not be free of this corrupt body until they either die, or are translated at the end of time.

Paul said; we will not all sleep but we will all be changed. Why would anyone need to be changed if all believers could cease to sin and therefore not need to be changed?

 

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Absurd. Idiotic. Disturbing.

Yeah. This is Free Grace Theology. Generally Mid Acts Dispensationalists are Free Grace and they believe no amount of sin can separate them from God (Which is insane). George Sodini believed his Pastor’s deceptions in that you could murder and still be saved, which is contrary to 1 John 3:15, and other verses. George Sodini ended up shooting a bunch of people and then he turned the gun on himself. In his suicide letter (so to speak), he said he would be saved despite what he did. His church even said he was saved despite what he did. This is pure insanity.

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Then there are Christians who believe they can sin a little bit or on rare occasion and be saved. Meaning, they believe George Sodini is not saved, but then when push comes to shove, when I have talked with even these types of believers they believe they can commit other hell damning sins with the thinking they are saved. They do not believe salvation is conditional as the Bible teaches. Most Christians believe in this lighter form of committing sin. They do not want to make it appear like they can sin as much as they want and be saved, but they still believe they can sin on some smaller level and be saved, which is silly. Believers have to confess And forsake sin in order to make it into God’s Kingdom. Can believers struggle with sin? Yes, but they need to overcome at some point, or they are not going to make it (Myself included). Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

 

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Yep. Believers will not be free of this corrupt body until they either die, or are translated at the end of time.

Paul said; we will not all sleep but we will all be changed. Why would anyone need to be changed if all believers could cease to sin and therefore not need to be changed?

Jesus warned that He did not know those believers who worked iniquity and He told them to depart from Him in Matthew 7:22-23. Keep in mind that this passage Is in context to Matthew 7:26-27 where Jesus says that if anyone does not do what He says, he is like a fool who built this house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

You cannot honestly say you are doing what Jesus says if you are basically stating that you are breaking his commandments (sin) with the thinking you are saved. Sin is the breaking of God’s laws or commandments (See: 1 John 3:4).

 

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Absurd. Idiotic. Disturbing.

Eternal Security or Once Saved Always Saved is tied to a sin and still be saved type belief. Granted, there are Free Will Baptists who deny Eternal Security, but they believe you can sin and still be saved, though. We truly are living in the last days. Today, it’s all about justifying some kind of sin with thinking that one is still saved.

 

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Yep. Believers will not be free of this corrupt body until they either die, or are translated at the end of time.

Paul said; we will not all sleep but we will all be changed. Why would anyone need to be changed if all believers could cease to sin and therefore not need to be changed?

This belief is illogical. In order for you to believe you can sin and still be saved, God would have to agree with that plan of salvation and yet God cannot agree with sin or wrong doing. The Lord our God is a holy and just God. But if somebody confesses and forsakes sin, that is different because they are changing course and they are not seeking to justify sin.

 

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Jesus warned that He did not know those believers who worked iniquity and He told them to depart from Him in Matthew 7:22-23. Keep in mind that this passage Is in context to Matthew 7:26-27 that says that if anyone does not do what Jesus says is like a fool who build this house upon the sand and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house.

John 6
37: All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jesus aint gonna lose me!

 

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This belief is illogical. In order for you to believe you can sin and still be saved, God would have to agree with that plan of salvation and yet God cannot agree with sin or wrong doing. The Lord our God is a holy and just God. But if somebody confesses and forsakes sin, that is different because they are changing course and they are not seeking to justify sin.

What does it mean for Christ to atone for sin?

If Christ atoned for the sin of all the people who lose their salvation; than Christ's sacrifice was ineffectual.

 

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What do I need to say about these verses. I'm redeemed. I have eternal life. This flesh of mine will put on incorruption on the last day.

Eternal life is only for those who abide in Christ. Remember, 1 John 5:12 says he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life. 1 John 2:3-4 lays out the conditions on testing to see if you are abiding in the Son correctly or not. 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance that we know the Lord if we find we are keeping His commandments. 1 John 2:4 says that the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. Meaning, Jesus (who is eternal life) is not in them, and they are not saved. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

 

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John 6
37: All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jesus aint gonna lose me!

John 6:37-40 says,

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37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.​

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.​

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.​

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."​

First, what does Jesus mean by,

“All that the Father giveth me come to me?” ​

Well, we have to understand that the Father elects those based on His future foreknowledge of our free will choice concerning Him (1 Peter 1:2) (Deuteronomy 30:19). Also, we also have to understand that not everyone is going to be saved; However, it is God's will that all people should be saved, though (1 Timothy 2:4) (2 Peter 3:9) (Revelation 22:17). This is why we read in Scripture about how many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 20:16).

Same meanings since all are given the chance to have life through Jesus. But those who are His have come so willingly in faith, repenting and turning with a sincere heart; forever to the submission of God’s commandments and desires.

Verse 39 implies that it is possible for Jesus to lose some of the flock. If it were not so, He would have said so. But if what you say is true, then Jesus would have said,

"I WILL lose nothing."​

However, that is not what Jesus said. Jesus says,

"I SHOULD lose nothing."​

John 6:39 (KJV) says,

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Second, eternal life here is not a guarantee. Jesus says in verse 40

"MAY have everlasting life".​

John 6:40
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

In other words, Jesus should lose none and all who are His should be raised, because they should all continue in the righteousness God gave them through the sacrifice of Jesus. It’s not that Jesus isn’t capable of keeping up with His sheep; it’s that He never keeps His sheep against their wills. How so?

Well, we see in Scripture that the Father gave all of the disciples to Jesus; However, Jesus kept them all except Judas, though.

John 17:12 says:

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"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."​

Now, allow me to rephrase this in modern-terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, but the green marble.​

And OSAS terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, except for the green marble that you never gave me.​

Do you see now how OSAS doesn't make any sense?


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Eternal life is only for those who abide in Christ. Remember, 1 John 5:12 says he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life. 1 John 2:3-4 lays out the conditions on testing to see if you are abiding in the Son correctly or not. 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance that we know the Lord if we find we are keeping His commandments. 1 John 2:4 says that the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them. Meaning, Jesus (who is eternal life) is not in them, and they are not saved. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

If Christ paid for your sin and you end up in the Lake of Fire; than 2 people paid for the sin of one. Besides making Christ's atonement null and void - Would God be just?

 

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What does it mean for Christ to atone for sin?

If Christ atoned for the sin of all the people who lose their salvation; than Christ's sacrifice was ineffectual.

Unless you are a Univeralist, Christ provided a Provisional Atonement to offer man the free gift. But this free gift of God’s grace is accessed by faith (See: Romans 5:2 in how God’s grace is accessed by faith).

 

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If Christ paid for your sin and you end up in the Lake of Fire; than 2 people paid for the sin of one. Besides making Christ's atonement null and void - Would God be just?

Sorry, that’s not how it works. Only past sins are forgiven us when we access God’s grace by faith. Again, if God paid for your future sin, then that would mean you have a license to sin. God cannot agree with you doing any kind of future sin or evil because He is a holy and just God.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Unless you are a Univeralist, Christ provided a Provisional Atonement to offer man the free gift. But this free gift of God’s grace is accessed by faith (See: Romans 5:2 in how God’s grace is accessed by faith).

Again, if Christ loses even one He atoned for; than His atonement was null and void and Jesus is a liar; because he specifically states He will lose nothing.

Jesus only paid for the sin of the elect.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Sorry, that’s not how it works. Only past sins are forgiven us when we access God’s grace by faith. Again, if God paid for your future sin, then that would mean you have a license to sin. God cannot agree with you doing any kind of future sin or evil because He is a holy and just God.

LOL - How does that work; That constitutes re-crucifying Christ every time you have to confess your sin.

 

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If Christ paid for your sin and you end up in the Lake of Fire; than 2 people paid for the sin of one. Besides making Christ's atonement null and void - Would God be just?

Paul warns be not deceived the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Also see 1 Timothy 5:8. It’s a slam dunk in destroying your belief here.

 

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Again, if Christ loses even one He atoned for; than His atonement was null and void and Jesus is a liar; because he specifically states He will lose nothing.

Jesus only paid for the sin of the elect.

Please go back and reread what I wrote involving my quotes of Scripture. You missed the conditions involved. Words like SHOULD mean stuff. But you want to change the conditions because you don’t like them.

 

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Please go back and reread what I wrote involving my quotes of Scripture. You missed the conditions involved. Words like SHOULD mean stuff. But you want to change the conditions because you don’t like them.

How often is Christ required to be crucified?

 

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Paul warns be not deceived the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Also see 1 Timothy 5:8. It’s a slam dunk in destroying your belief here.

I'm not unrighteous.

 

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LOL - How does that work; That constitutes re-crucifying Christ every time you have to confess your sin.

Have you not read 1 John 1:9, and 1 John 2:1 before? Ever hear of… let us boldly come to the thone of grace? (See: Hebrews 4:16). What about Proverbs 28:13 and Psalms 51?