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Humbly accepting undeserved pure charity is not a work. God presents us a charitable gift, but we can refuse the gift.
You said, I quote:

"We are saved by God alone.” Quote by Bling.​

So your previous statement that says, "We are saved by God alone” is not entirely true if one can either accept the gift, or refuse the gift.

Note: I am not saying that our seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:13) (Luke 18:9-14), and believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is a work, either. Being saved by God’s grace is a work of God and not our work. Granted, free will is involved on whether we accept or reject this free gift (Which means the responsibility of salvation is in our hands and it is not, “salvation is all God alone“ as Calvinism teaches).
 
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We can all agree on what we see, but saying you lack "Love" requires an agreed upon definition. God says you did not do these things to the least of these (which they cannot deny or even question), but if God said "you did not have Godly type Love in you, that requires an explanation of this Love (which is seen in their actions or lack of action). If you were stuck in an iron lung your heart can still be filled with Godly type Love wanting to help others and be saved by your faith.
In the parable of the talents (bags of Gold) refers to Godly type Love which a person in an iron lung can show without doing "work".
It all goes back to the truism "he that is forgiven much Loves much" that love can be seen but it is not a work. This Godly type Love comes automatically when you humbly accept God's forgiveness of your huge debt. Using this Love is worship to God and worship is not a work.
You refer to the woman who kept kissing Jesus’ feet whereby Jesus later said "Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much" in Luke 7:36-50. This does not mean a Christian cannot later forget that they have been purged from their previous past sins.

2 Peter 1:9 says,
"But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.“

What things does this believer lack whereby Peter says they have forgotten that they were purged from their old sins?

A believer’s holy conduct as mentioned in verse 3-11 (2 Peter 1:3-11).

This is why we are told ….

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).​
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).​
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

So no. It’s not automatic always in our doing loving good works for the Lord.

Also, think simply about the Parable of the Talents and do not overcomplicate it to fit your theology.
Just read it simply and believe it. The main point of the Parable or story is to do good works. if that was not the main point of the Parable then there would be no need to scare us into saying that the unprofitable servant will be cast into outer darkness or the Parable would focus on how we need to focus on making sure we were truly saved by God’s grace in order to be fruitful.

The same is true with the Parable of the Talents. The focus is on us helping the poor or we are going to be toast. No solution is given in how we need to make sure that we were first saved by God’s grace to ensure that we will help the poor because we cannot help but to do it because we are grateful we are forgiven much. Yes, one can do so because they realize they are forgiven much, but that would not always be the case as I mentioned with the above verses.
 
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You said, I quote:

"We are saved by God alone.” Quote by Bling.​

So your previous statement that says, "We are saved by God alone” is not entirely true if one can either accept the gift, or refuse the gift.

Note: I am not saying that our seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:13) (Luke 18:9-14), and believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is a work, either. Being saved by God’s grace is a work of God and not our work. Granted, free will is involved on whether we accept or reject this free gift (Which means the responsibility of salvation is in our hands and it is not, “salvation is all God alone“ as Calvinism teaches).
Whatever we “do” does not make us “deserving” of anything. Look at the prodigal son who virtually wished his father to be dead so he could obtain his inheritance. He can home not out of “Love” for the father, but selfishly (which is sinful) wanting a job, he totally did not deserve. The prodigal son did nothing: worthy, honorable, righteous, or holy, the Father did everything righteous.

If you are truly in a life or death situation because of poor sinful selfish choices you personally made and are sincerely begging for money you totally do not deserve to have and someone unexpectedly gives you a purely charitable gift (expecting nothing in return), did you “work” for that money?
 
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I believe James is talking about salvation (i.e. the Secondary Aspect of Salvation) for a believer AFTER they have been initially saved by God’s grace. So I believe that Paul refers to being saved by a belief alone in our Initial Salvation (or the 1st Aspect of our Salvation) (Ephesians 2:8-9). For example, in Romans 4, it says that Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. This is a belief alone and it points to how we need to be saved INITIALLY (Which is not what James is talking about). Paul is concerned of how to GET saved. James is concerned with how to continue in God’s plan of salvation with our Sanctification to live a holy life by the Spirit (Which involves works, and obeying God’s commands in the New Testament).

#1. 1st aspect of salvation -
God’s grace through faith without works
(Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, Romans 11:6, Titus 3:5.).
(Initial Salvation).

#2. 2nd aspect of salvation -
Sanctification to live a holy life by the Spirit
(2 Thessalonians 2:13, Galatians 6:8-9, Romans 8:13, Hebrews 12:14).
(Secondary Aspect of Salvation).

In other words, I did not need to do a good work in order to GET saved. It was by faith alone in my Initial Salvation. I just believed the gospel message in that Christ died for my sins, he was buried, and risen the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and I called upon the name of the Lord Jesus and sought forgiveness of my sins with Him (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, Luke 18:9-14). These actions on my part are not good works. I was saved ultimately by God’s grace and mercy when I first came to the Lord for salvation.

But after I was saved by God’s grace, I needed to continue in plan of salvation in Sanctification and that does involve doing good works, living holy (Or keeping myself pure), and obeying the Lord Jesus. Some take the view of one wrong extreme or the other. Some make it all about God’s grace, and others make it all about God’s works and no grace ever. I believe it is a healthy balance of both.

Meaning, faith alone (belief alone) is true ONLY in our Initial Salvation. But faith alone is not true when we are living out our faith in the Secondary Aspect of Salvation involving the Sanctification of the Holy Spirit to live a holy life.

But we must not forget, Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
This is a parallel of how we GET saved when we are first saved by God’s grace.
I agree with just about all of that (it's in line with what I believe as a Catholic). About the only point of difference is, I have a slightly different use of the word, "saved".

I don't consider myself "saved" yet - that will (hopefully) happen when Christ grants me eternal life after the Judgement. Until then, I'm on the road to salvation, striving and hoping to obtain salvation.

If I die today, I may well be judged "saved" by the Lord, so I could already be saved ... but I have no way of knowing that at this point in time. (Hope that makes sense.)
 
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You refer to the woman who kept kissing Jesus’ feet whereby Jesus later said "Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much" in Luke 7:36-50. This does not mean a Christian cannot later forget that they have been purged from their previous past sins.

2 Peter 1:9 says,
"But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.“

What things does this believer lack whereby Peter says they have forgotten that they were purged from their old sins?

A believer’s holy conduct as mentioned in verse 3-11 (2 Peter 1:3-11).

This is why we are told ….

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).​
"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).​
"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

  1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
  2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
  3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

So no. It’s not automatic always in our doing loving good works for the Lord.

Also, think simply about the Parable of the Talents and do not overcomplicate it to fit your theology.
Just read it simply and believe it. The main point of the Parable or story is to do good works. if that was not the main point of the Parable then there would be no need to scare us into saying that the unprofitable servant will be cast into outer darkness or the Parable would focus on how we need to focus on making sure we were truly saved by God’s grace in order to be fruitful.

The same is true with the Parable of the Talents. The focus is on us helping the poor or we are going to be toast. No solution is given in how we need to make sure that we were first saved by God’s grace to ensure that we will help the poor because we cannot help but to do it because we are grateful we are forgiven much. Yes, one can do so because they realize they are forgiven much, but that would not always be the case as I mentioned with the above verses.
First off: It is not my, “overcomplicate it to fit your theology”, I only have time to study scripture to address questions a student of mine has asked or to help my personal spiritual growth. I will pray, fast, study and meditate, really allow myself to be led by the Spirit and then seek confirmation from other like-minded Christians, to be sure it is the Holy Spirit ‘s leading me, but not to find their answers to the question.

Why do Christians have these commands to do stuff, after we have become Christians, in other words, what do we and/or God, get out of doing them?

When we obtain the new Love (Godly type Love as the result of humbly accepting God’s forgiveness of our unbelievable huge sin debt), can this “Love” not compel us in doing all we do?

We want to please God out of Love and God tells us what makes Him happy in the form of commands.

There is a big problem, when we do not have this Love or have very little and do not grow that Love.

Doing anything without being motivated by “Love” is worthless and harmful 1 Cor. 13:1-3.

Humans cannot just remain where they are, since they will either grow or wither over time.

Doing righteous stuff, obey God’s commands is for our sake, since it grows our Love, the desire for a greater Love, and our relationship with Deity.

If we do not grow this “Godly type Love”, we will seek the love (carnal type love) from others by trying to be loved for how we want others to perceive us to be and not as we truly are. Eventually, we will hate this Godly type Love and give it away (like Esau did with his birthright). We would not be happy in heaven where there is only Godly type Love.
 
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About the only point of difference is, I have a slightly different use of the word, "saved". I d
Ephesians 2:8-9 says,
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Notice, it says for by grace are ye (you-all) saved through faith. It was a gift from God. Meaning, when a person receives that gift, they are saved when they received that gift. Notice. It says you are saved THROUGH faith.

Romans 5:2 says,
"By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.“

We have access to God’s grace through faith. Grace is mercy from God.

Titus 3:5 says,
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;“

We are saved by God’s mercy when we seek forgiveness of our sins with the Lord Jesus Christ and by believing the gospel message.

Titus 3:5 cannot be read as some future event. This is clearly an event that happened in the past whereby they were saved.

1 Corinthians 15 says,
1 "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:“

Notice this time. Paul says He preaches the gospel to them by which they received and stand upon, and by which they ARE saved.
So believing the gospel message that Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and risen the third day is by which we ARE saved. It is how one first gets saved. But yes, there are other things we must do as a part of God’s plan of salvation. But that does not mean we cannot possess salvation in the moment.

1 John 5:11-12
“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”

If you have the Son, you have life.

1 John 5:13 says,
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Notice, it says that those that John writes to, he says that they may know they have eternal life by believing on the name of the Son of God.


I agree with just about all of that (it's in line with what I believe as a Catholic).
Well, I am not Catholic or Orthodox. I just ask for God’s Spirit to show me the truth on His Word, and I believe the Bible (Comparing Scripture with Scripture). No offense, but Catholics generally do not do that. They generally believe what they are told by their church. There was a time you were not even allowed to read your own Bible. I believe it was during the time of WW2 that they gave you permission to read the Bible. Before that point, only the priest could read the Bible for you. Even farther back, they kept the Bible from you, and spoke the Bible in Latin, and they killed people who had the Scriptures for themselves. This is just one of the many reasons why I am not Catholic. Plus, the whole thing about men going about in holy garments is also pretty silly. Yes, I know in the Old Testament that was the case, but it just looks so fake seeing these men do it. Plus, Jesus warned about those in long flowing robes. We are told in Scripture not to call any man our father (in a spiritual sense), and yet, the Catholic Church does so. Then there are the idol statues and pagan symbols everywhere (like the sun worship symbols, and the pagan fish hats). Some Catholic groups even bring out skulls as a part of their worship services. You got Catholics bowing to statues of Mary and they say thats not worship. Yeah, okay. I would encourage Catholics to read their Bible on this matter and see what God says about that. They should not fight to re-explain the text to fit their belief but they should believe the text plainly at face value.

I hope this helps, and may God’s love shine upon you today.
 
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Whatever we “do” does not make us “deserving” of anything. Look at the prodigal son who virtually wished his father to be dead so he could obtain his inheritance. He can home not out of “Love” for the father, but selfishly (which is sinful) wanting a job, he totally did not deserve. The prodigal son did nothing: worthy, honorable, righteous, or holy, the Father did everything righteous.
Several misconceptions you have here. First, the parable of the prodigal son shows that a believer can go from a saved state, to a lost state, and then back to a saved state again. This is why the father said to his son that he was “dead” and is “alive again” when he came back home seeking forgiveness with his father. The son did not die physically and came back to life physically. The parable is speaking in spiritual terms. He died spiritually when he lived it up with prostitutes and he received back his eternal life when he went back home and sought forgiveness with his father. This same truth is taught in James 5:19-20 so this is not an isolated teaching here. Second, seeking forgiveness with Jesus Christ (who is God) is repentance and forsaking sin and doing good works are the fruits of repentance. God commands all men to repent according to the book of Acts. So the prodigal son was simply obeying God’s command. Yes, it would not be regarded as a work on his part, but it still was obedience to God’s command, and we know that keeping God’s commands pleases Jesus. Jesus said "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”(John 15:10).


If you are truly in a life or death situation because of poor sinful selfish choices you personally made and are sincerely begging for money you totally do not deserve to have and someone unexpectedly gives you a purely charitable gift (expecting nothing in return), did you “work” for that money?
You are going to have to be a little more clear in your words here. Are you saying that because the Bible teaches that you need to later have works as a part of your faith so as to access His saving grace that such a thing would be a work that God condemns? I know, most in the Perpetual Belief Alone Camp do not think works justify. But according to James 2:24 they do. Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac upon the alter according to James. In Hebrews 11, it says that BY FAITH Abraham offered Isaac upon the alter. So, this means that they are the same thing. Abraham offering Isaac upon the alter was a work by faith. It’s why Paul says there is a thing called the work of faith. It’s a part of one’s faith. That’s what many in the Protestant Perpetual Belief Alone camp do not understand. They just see faith as a belief alone and nothing more. Yes, it starts off as a belief alone, but it does not remain that way. Just read Hebrews 11 about how faith works.
 
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First off: It is not my, “overcomplicate it to fit your theology”, I only have time to study scripture to address questions a student of mine has asked or to help my personal spiritual growth. I will pray, fast, study and meditate, really allow myself to be led by the Spirit and then seek confirmation from other like-minded Christians, to be sure it is the Holy Spirit ‘s leading me, but not to find their answers to the question.

Why do Christians have these commands to do stuff, after we have become Christians, in other words, what do we and/or God, get out of doing them?

When we obtain the new Love (Godly type Love as the result of humbly accepting God’s forgiveness of our unbelievable huge sin debt), can this “Love” not compel us in doing all we do?

We want to please God out of Love and God tells us what makes Him happy in the form of commands.

There is a big problem, when we do not have this Love or have very little and do not grow that Love.

Doing anything without being motivated by “Love” is worthless and harmful 1 Cor. 13:1-3.

Humans cannot just remain where they are, since they will either grow or wither over time.

Doing righteous stuff, obey God’s commands is for our sake, since it grows our Love, the desire for a greater Love, and our relationship with Deity.

If we do not grow this “Godly type Love”, we will seek the love (carnal type love) from others by trying to be loved for how we want others to perceive us to be and not as we truly are. Eventually, we will hate this Godly type Love and give it away (like Esau did with his birthright). We would not be happy in heaven where there is only Godly type Love.
You can pray and fast until you are blue in the face. The problem is that you are not addressing the truth of the verses I presented that demolishes your current belief. Seeking confirmation from Laodicean Christians is not helpful. You confirm the truth by God’s Word, and not by men. Anyway, I am limited on time today. So I will have to answer the verses you provided in this particular post at another time, Lord willing.
 
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We are saved by God alone. I put works in "", so show a specific type of "works" being used by Paul which is "works of the Law", while James is talking about "work" as the result of faith and what God has done already for you.
Paul was referring to the ceremonial/ritual "works of the Law" such as circumcision, diet, animal sacrifices, etc, that the death and resurrection of Jesus did away with. He was not referring to the moral laws of Moses, which are eternal and apply to Christians.

The "works" James refers to is obedience. He uses the example of Abraham being "justified" by his works of obedience (James 2:21).
Works do not gain you anything ...
You can see a person's faith by the works they are doing out of a gratitude type of Godly Love.
Works are much more important than merely showing gratitude. They are required for salvation:

"a man is justified by works and not by faith alone ... faith without works is dead" (James 2:24-26). Do you think "dead" faith will save you?

Paul warns believers in Gal 5:19-21 and 1Cor 6:9-11 that their sins (works of disobedience) can result in them ending up in hell.

1John 2:3-6 says a believer who disobeys God’s commandments doesn't "know" Christ, is a "liar" and "the truth is not in him". Does that sound like a saved believer? Of course not!
What do you see yourself "working" to get?
Eternal life.

You need to think of "works" as obedience, by which a believer is justified unto salvation (James 2:24). God is looking for people who are willing to obey him, bcoz that's how he tests and measures our faith and our love for him.
Why would God want to save anyone who's not willing to obey him?

Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
 
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Well, I am not Catholic or Orthodox. I just ask for God’s Spirit to show me the truth on His Word, and I believe the Bible (Comparing Scripture with Scripture). No offense, but Catholics generally do not do that. They generally believe what they are told by their church.
The Catholic Church has stated that the Bible is the Word of God, so I do believe everything in the Bible was written as intended. I use the Catholic approach to reading the Bible, first asking the Holy Spirit for discernment. Certainly there are passages in the Bible which I do compare with other passages.
 
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Notice, it says for by grace are ye (you-all) saved through faith. It was a gift from God. Meaning, when a person receives that gift, they are saved when they received that gift ...
Paul says He preaches the gospel to them by which they received and stand upon, and by which they ARE saved.

What are they saved from at that point?
 
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If you have the Son, you have life.

1 John 5:13 says,
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

Notice, it says that those that John writes to, he says that they may know they have eternal life by believing on the name of the Son of God.
You need to interpret that verse in light of the fact that there are at least twenty NT verses that describe salvation as a "hope".

If you "know" with certainty that you are saved, salvation is no longer a "hope".
 
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Well, I am not Catholic or Orthodox. I just ask for God’s Spirit to show me the truth on His Word, and I believe the Bible (Comparing Scripture with Scripture).
Sure, that's what they all say.

Has the Spirit guided you into "all the truth"?

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." (John 16:13)​


If you don't have "all the truth", who does? Which, if any, of the 40,000 Christain denominations/churches that exist has "all the truth" that Jesus promised? Someone must have it, otherwise Jesus lied.
 
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Several misconceptions you have here. First, the parable of the prodigal son shows that a believer can go from a saved state, to a lost state, and then back to a saved state again. This is why the father said to his son that he was “dead” and is “alive again” when he came back home seeking forgiveness with his father. The son did not die physically and came back to life physically. The parable is speaking in spiritual terms. He died spiritually when he lived it up with prostitutes and he received back his eternal life when he went back home and sought forgiveness with his father. This same truth is taught in James 5:19-20 so this is not an isolated teaching here. Second, seeking forgiveness with Jesus Christ (who is God) is repentance and forsaking sin and doing good works are the fruits of repentance. God commands all men to repent according to the book of Acts. So the prodigal son was simply obeying God’s command. Yes, it would not be regarded as a work on his part, but it still was obedience to God’s command, and we know that keeping God’s commands pleases Jesus. Jesus said "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”(John 15:10).
Nothing you said her addresses my idea: “Whatever we “do” does not make us “deserving” of anything.” Do you feel the prodigal son was deserving of what he got?
You are going to have to be a little more clear in your words here. Are you saying that because the Bible teaches that you need to later have works as a part of your faith so as to access His saving grace that such a thing would be a work that God condemns? I know, most in the Perpetual Belief Alone Camp do not think works justify. But according to James 2:24 they do. Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac upon the alter according to James. In Hebrews 11, it says that BY FAITH Abraham offered Isaac upon the alter. So, this means that they are the same thing. Abraham offering Isaac upon the alter was a work by faith. It’s why Paul says there is a thing called the work of faith. It’s a part of one’s faith. That’s what many in the Protestant Perpetual Belief Alone camp do not understand. They just see faith as a belief alone and nothing more. Yes, it starts off as a belief alone, but it does not remain that way. Just read Hebrews 11 about how faith works.
Do you not see you are contradicting the Bible by saying: “Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac upon the alter…”? John 2: 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. We see the “Faith” ( a saving faith) by Abraham’s actions, but the action itself did not save Abraham.
 
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Nothing you said her addresses my idea: “Whatever we “do” does not make us “deserving” of anything.” Do you feel the prodigal son was deserving of what he got?
Again, you are not looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word. I brought up verses that you are ignoring, as well. You are also ignoring the major point in the parable I made, too. So your reasoning on the parable is looking through the lens of an outside belief you prefer to be true (i.e., Belief Alone Salvationism), rather than drawing meaning out of the parable in light of all of Scripture.

While we are initially saved by God’s grace and it is how we are also foundationally saved by His mercy, we also need Sanctification of the Spirit to live a holy life, which will include works. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God has chosen you to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit. Here are….

Works for Salvation Verses:

#1. “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

#2. "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (James 2:17-18).

#3. “Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” (James 2:21) (Note: This work by Abraham in offering up Isaac upon the altar in James 2:21 is referred to as “faith” in Hebrews 11. It says, “By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac:” - Hebrews 11:17).

#4. "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

#5. “And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).

#6. “And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.” (1 Peter 4:18-19).

#7. "...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:62) (cf. Luke 8:11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:15).

#8. “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29).

#9. “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” (Matthew 25:41-46). “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.” (Matthew 25:34-36).

#10. “...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” (Matthew 19:17-19)

#11. “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.” (Luke 10:25-28) (An example of loving your neighbor is given to us in the Parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke 10:25-37).

#12. “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

#13. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 7:19).

Supplementary Passage (Context):

"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.” (Matthew 7:26-27).

What sayings of Jesus are they not doing?
Two chapters earlier, Jesus says,

“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 5:16).

(The Immediate context also refers to how those who bring forth evil fruit are the corrupt trees, i.e., inwardly they are ravening wolves or false prophets and yet those who bring forth good fruit are good trees):

”Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

#14. “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.’ (John 15:5-6).

Supplementary Verse (Context):

”Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.“ (John 15:2).

Note: Notice the first half of John 15:2, Jesus is saying that the branch that does not bear fruit is IN Him.
Jesus says, “every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away”
This branch IN Jesus that bears not fruit, He “taketh away”;
This obviously is referring to how they will be taken away to be cast into the fire (Based on the context - John 15:6).

#15. “For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:8-9).

#16. “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7) (Note: Walking in the light = Loving your brother according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11; Loving your brother is a good work).

#17. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1 Timothy 5:8).

#18. “And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: (Matthew 25:25-26). “And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 25:30). “And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” (Matthew 25:20-21).

#19. “…I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. …” (Revelation 3:1-3). “Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,…” (Revelation 3:4).

#20. "These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; " (Jude 1:12).

As we can see, these false believers mentioned in Jude are without fruit.
This is why we are to constantly affirm to others to maintain good works (Titus 3:8).

In fact, Titus 3:14 says,
"And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful."

So we are to affirm works to other believers CONSTANTLY.
The brethren are to learn to maintain good works so that they are not unfruitful.
That's why.
If one is unfruitful, then they are like the false believers whose fruit is withered, and they are without fruit twice dead, and the roots pluck them up, as Jude warns.

Please address at least 2-3 of these verses above.
 
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This is also called “Initial and Final Salvation.” However, even men like John Piper who claim to believe in “Initial and Final Salvation” do not believe in proper holy living as the Bible teaches because they have a false view of the penalty of sin.

For example: John Piper (A Calvinist) falsely teaches you can sin and still be saved.



Side Note:

I do not agree with Adam (at Abide in the Word YouTube Channel) in regards to his view on denying the the 1st aspect of salvation (Which is being saved by God’s grace without works). I believe the Bible teaches two aspects of salvation.

#1. We are saved initially by God’s grace without works through faith.
#2. We are saved in the Sanctification of the Spirit (over the course of our whole life).

However, Adam does a good job at showing how many Christians today believe in a sin and still be saved type belief (Which is not what the BIble teaches). I will post a video on this in my next post.
This was indeed INTERESTING!
I don't agree with what Piper is saying (or at least appears to be saying) here.

When the Spirit of God indwells a person; being raised to eternal life causes one to grow in sanctification. Thus there is suppose to be victory over sin. One should not live a lifestyle of sin. Even though Scripture fully acknowledges that we'll never be sinless in this life.

So what does Piper mean by this statement? Is he lacking victory over repeated sin that he knows he should not be committing; or is he merely just struggling with the residual of the fallen nature? That isn't real clear from this clip.
 
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Nothing you said her addresses my idea: “Whatever we “do” does not make us “deserving” of anything.” Do you feel the prodigal son was deserving of what he got?
You are confusing Renewal of the Faith (Rededication back to Christ), which is salvation by God’s grace (Luke 18:9-14), with Sanctification for salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13) (Romans 8:13) (Galatians 6:8-9). The two are not the same aspects of salvation. You only see one aspect of salvation and not two because you have been trained to see the Bible that way, when in reality your belief conflicts with tons of verses.


Do you not see you are contradicting the Bible by saying: “Abraham was justified by works when he offered Isaac upon the alter…”? John 2: 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. We see the “Faith” ( a saving faith) by Abraham’s actions, but the action itself did not save Abraham.
James illustrates how faith and works appear to be different in James 2:24. But this is because James is illustrating that a belief alone type faith is not how faith continues. There is salvation by faith alone but it is only when we first are initially saved by God’s grace and mercy (Which is what Paul taught), and then there is faith that manifests itself by works (Which is what James is teaching). James even says he will show you his faith by his works. In James 2:24, he is talking from the perspective of.a faith lived out, and James is not talking about how you first get saved by God’s grace by believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and by calling upon the name of the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:13). Paul is concerned with how to GET SAVED initially (Which is by God’s grace through a belief alone). James is concerned with how to LIVE out your faith under Sanctification (Which includes works). James actually says in James 2:24 that you are justified by works and not by faith only (or faith alone). The actions are a part of one’s faith. Remember, James says he will show you his faith by his works so the two cannot be separated. You get hung up on Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, etcetera because you do not know that Paul is talking about INITIAL Salvation or how we are foundationally saved. There are plenty of works for salvation verses you either have to duck, dodge, ignore and or jump through hoops of fire in the New Testament in order to make Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationism work.

Again, the proof is when James says was not Abraham justified by works when he offered up Isaac upon the alter.
Then the author of Hebrews says it was BY FAITH Abraham offered up Isaac upon the alter. So the works = Faith.
Paul is saying you are not saved by Works ALONE without God’s grace. That’s what he is trying to say. But James is saying how faith is lived out. We access God’s grace that saves through faith.

Romans 5:2 says,
”By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”

Faith is merely the access card or key to get to God’s saving grace. Faith starts off as a belief alone but it does not remain that way. Faith then later manifests itself with the work of faith. Yep. The Bible actually mentions a thing called the “work of faith.” Just go to BlueLetterBible and check it out.
 
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We see the “Faith” ( a saving faith) by Abraham’s actions, but the action itself did not save Abraham.
Nowhere does the Bible mention "a saving faith".

What you mean by "a saving faith" is faith plus works, so to be saved by "a saving faith" is to be saved by faith and works. Why don't you just admit salvation is thru faith and works, not faith alone?
 
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Even though Scripture fully acknowledges that we'll never be sinless in this life.
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So what does Piper mean by this statement? Is he lacking victory over repeated sin that he knows he should not be committing; or is he merely just struggling with the residual of the fallen nature? That isn't real clear from this clip.
It is clear. He is admitting that he can sin and still be saved just as you believe. Granted, there are degrees of sin where Christians disagree on how much you can commit before one is labeled as never have been born again or something like that. But that’s still a false teaching. Some are Hyper Grace and believe you can sin as much as you like. Others believe you can sin a little bit and still be saved as long as sin is done occasionally or one is not identified by a life of sin. Christians today falsely misuse 1 John 1:8, Romans 7:14-24 to justify that they can sin on some level and be saved. But obviously they have not been praying over Matthew 7:21-23, and Matthew 7:26-27 lately (believing that they could be wrong). In short, you cannot abide in sin the Bible warns with condemnation or hell-fire and be saved.

Jesus warned about how even looking upon a woman in lust can cause one to be cast bodily into hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30).
The apostle Paul warned about how if we do not provide for our own, we have denied the faith, and we are worse than an unbeliever (1 Timothy 5:8). Only a believer can be worse than unbeliever. So this warning applies to believers only. So this means you have to DO something as a part of salvation. Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationism is false. Yes, we are first saved by a belief alone, but it does not remain that way. We also cannot abide in sin and think we are saved, either. It doesn’t work like that. This is why Piper is in grave error.
 
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