Two Alabama clinics pause IVF services after court rules that embryos are children

[driewerf]

I personally would like to see no abortions period.

But in the mean time; there are measures proposed that have a track record of reducing them. Would you support them? Why or why not?

 

[RileyG]

But in the mean time; there are measures proposed that have a track record of reducing them. Would you support them? Why or why not?

Reduce them to zero!

 

[Desk trauma]

Reduce them to zero!

Nonanswer.

 

[RileyG]

Nonanswer.

Nope. That’s my answer. We must protect life or face the consequences.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

Reduce them to zero!

Here in reality, you are nowhere close to getting that. Everytime it goes to about to a vote from the general public, banning abortion loses. So in the meantime while you work on convincing people to not get abortions, how many unnecessary dead babies are you willing to let pile up because you are letting “perfect” get in the way of “good”?

Colorado was successful at reducing abortions. Prolife could have stood on the shoulders of that success. Instead Republicans came in and tore down the progress that had been made because women were able to make their own reproductive choices and apparently that is worse than dead babies.

I would think going out in to the world and bringing everyone to faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and everyone simply chooses to not get an abortion because of their own morality and the law is irrelevant. This has the added benefit of more people getting eternal life in heaven and not tortured for all eternity in hell. But it seems prolife people are much more interested in using the jackboot of the civil authorities to convince people to not get an abortion rather than following their deity’s command in the Great Commission which would give them what they want plus more souls in heaven.

 

[Desk trauma]

Nope. That’s my answer.

It’s not an answer to the question posed.

 

[RileyG]

It’s not an answer to the question posed.

I don’t want to see anyone die in the name of “choice.” So no, I would not support it.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don’t want to see anyone die in the name of “choice.” So no, I would not support it.

You would not support a measure that reduced abortion by half among the targeted demographic?

 

[RileyG]

You would not support a measure that reduced abortion by half among the targeted demographic?

Depends. I don’t want to support it at all. But things must change, if that makes sense.

 

[Desk trauma]

Depends.

On?

I don’t want to support it at all. But things must change, if that makes sense.

It doesn’t.

 

[Bradskii]

I personally would like to see no abortions period.

Me too.

You'll be aware that some people are called pro life. And others pro abortion. The latter is a misnomer. I, for example, am not pro abortion. And I don't know anyone personally or from any discussion online who thinks we should be having more abortions. Because hey, abortions are great! Every girl should have one! It's an idiotic term that makes pro life people feel better because they can more easily demonize 'the other side'.

They want it to be black and white. It ain't.

And because of this attitude, this black and white attitude, their position will be 'No abortions'. Period. They won't discuss less abortions. They won't discuss means to reduce abortions. And they won't consider any proposal whereby we could that. Because that's not their position. Their position is 'No abortions'. Period.

Consequently, proposals and policies that drastically reduce them, such as was posted upstream re Colorado will be ignored. Because they don't address what they want. Which is...'No abortions.' Period.

It's like someone campaigning against gun deaths but refusing to listen to proposals that will reduce the carnage. It's monstrously idiotic.

 

[Pommer]

I personally would like to see no abortions period.

There’s always going to be some pregnancies that will not produce viable offspring and will end with a medical or surgical abortion.

 

[RileyG]

There’s always going to be some pregnancies that will not produce viable offspring and will end with a medical or surgical abortion.

I’m aware, they are the exception.

 

[Pommer]

I’m aware, they are the exception.

But this thread isn’t about abortion so why don’t we agree to stop trying to turn this into an “abortion thread”?

 

[RileyG]

But this thread isn’t about abortion so why don’t we agree to stop trying to turn this into an “abortion thread”?

You’re right

 

[RileyG]

Me too.

You'll be aware that some people are called pro life. And others pro abortion. The latter is a misnomer. I, for example, am not pro abortion. And I don't know anyone personally or from any discussion online who thinks we should be having more abortions. Because hey, abortions are great! Every girl should have one! It's an idiotic term that makes pro life people feel better because they can more easily demonize 'the other side'.

They want it to be black and white. It ain't.

And because of this attitude, this black and white attitude, their position will be 'No abortions'. Period. They won't discuss less abortions. They won't discuss means to reduce abortions. And they won't consider any proposal whereby we could that. Because that's not their position. Their position is 'No abortions'. Period.

Consequently, proposals and policies that drastically reduce them, such as was posted upstream re Colorado will be ignored. Because they don't address what they want. Which is...'No abortions.' Period.

It's like someone campaigning against gun deaths but refusing to listen to proposals that will reduce the carnage. It's monstrously idiotic.

It should only be used if the mother or baby’s life is in danger, or if the baby isn’t viable. Nothing more, nothing less. Killing a fetus because it’s unwanted is incredibly selfish.

 

[camille70]

It should only be used if the mother or baby’s life is in danger, or if the baby isn’t viable. Nothing more, nothing less. Killing a fetus because it’s unwanted is incredibly selfish.

I think abortions should be rare and only as a last resort. At one time I would have been willing to support bans with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, but Texas has shown us that the life of the mother doesn't matter. Women shouldn't have to bleed out, get sepsis and lose the ability to bear children in the future to get care.

With planned parenthood centers being shut down and funding for public health clinics being reduced or eliminated, places like Texas are also seeing a spike in syphilis cases and children being born with the disease, as well as "maternity deserts". Someone I know that deals with public health said syphilis cases have spiked since covid, and there is a shortage on some treatment drugs.

From 2020... If people were really pro-life they would elect democrats...

If people were REALLY Pro-LIFE, they would elect DEMOCRATS.

Photo by Pixabay on Pexels.com I don’t support abortion. I believe it should be an absolute last resort. However, while I am Anti-abortion/Pro-life, I am also Pro-CHOICE and no, this is not a…

chantspeaks.wordpress.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680381773241352201

Texas’ “maternity deserts” grow as staff shortages close rural labor and delivery units

Only 40% of Texas’ rural hospitals offer labor and delivery services, forcing some patients to drive hundreds of miles to give birth. With nurses in short supply, more hospitals are considering cutting those services entirely.

www.texastribune.org

OB-GYN workforce shortages could worsen maternal health crisis

A patchwork of state laws in the aftermath of a Supreme Court decision overturning the right to an abortion, combined with pandemic-related burnout and low reimbursement rates, could exacerbate an already looming national shortage of obstetrician-gynecologists, experts say.

medicalxpress.com

 

[rturner76]

From what I gathered from a post by @JSRG on the first page, it sounds like they are cracking down on IVF clinics that cut corners and unnessarily destroy fertalized eggs. unnecessarily.''

I see the divide because the more humanist or liberal way would be going by the notion that a baby isn't a baby until it is born, and before that, it was an embryo and fetus.

Then on the other side, if an egg is fertilized, it is a baby. That person would see every embryo death that occurs, it's a fully functional life.

At first, I thought, it's not a big deal either way but I would be very unhappy if for example, I've heard about soldiers (not often) who for their wive's sake freeze some of their reproductive fluid and tragically, he does not come home or injured and can no longer make a baby with him. then to hear that the resulting embryos from their donations weren't treated properly and died. I'd be up in arms asking for someone to do something about it.

 

[camille70]

The way I see it is that God might have made the sexual act (hence conception) a lot less...how shall we say, incredibly difficult to resist. Especially in young people when they're at the peak sexual fitness and less able to resist. Which would have solved a lot of the problems that He knew would result.

Do you think He did it on purpose to test us? Like letting a kid loose in a sweet shop and then punishing the kid for not being able to resist temptation.

I can't say why He does what he does. I figure we'll all find out eventually.

 

[RileyG]

I think abortions should be rare and only as a last resort. At one time I would have been willing to support bans with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, but Texas has shown us that the life of the mother doesn't matter. Women shouldn't have to bleed out, get sepsis and lose the ability to bear children in the future to get care.

With planned parenthood centers being shut down and funding for public health clinics being reduced or eliminated, places like Texas are also seeing a spike in syphilis cases and children being born with the disease, as well as "maternity deserts". Someone I know that deals with public health said syphilis cases have spiked since covid, and there is a shortage on some treatment drugs.

From 2020... If people were really pro-life they would elect democrats...

If people were REALLY Pro-LIFE, they would elect DEMOCRATS.

Photo by Pixabay on Pexels.com I don’t support abortion. I believe it should be an absolute last resort. However, while I am Anti-abortion/Pro-life, I am also Pro-CHOICE and no, this is not a…

chantspeaks.wordpress.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680381773241352201

Texas’ “maternity deserts” grow as staff shortages close rural labor and delivery units

Only 40% of Texas’ rural hospitals offer labor and delivery services, forcing some patients to drive hundreds of miles to give birth. With nurses in short supply, more hospitals are considering cutting those services entirely.

www.texastribune.org

OB-GYN workforce shortages could worsen maternal health crisis

A patchwork of state laws in the aftermath of a Supreme Court decision overturning the right to an abortion, combined with pandemic-related burnout and low reimbursement rates, could exacerbate an already looming national shortage of obstetrician-gynecologists, experts say.

medicalxpress.com

I think abortion should only be used to save the life of the mother. I’m happy Planned Parenthood centers are being shut down. I hope I’m my lifetime they will no longer exist.