Truth and Deceptions

d taylor · Nov 26, 2020

The Bible is true and as the current Bible translations are close to 100% accurate. Man and his sin nature has been able to take a few verse and not translate them exactly right.

But if you want to talk about deception, you need bring science in to the discussion. As there is where you will find many lies and outright satanic deception, being used to deceive people (believers and unbelievers alike).

Randy777 · Nov 27, 2020

Jess347 said:
I just find that the old and new testament are extremely contradictory...
It seems like the Father that Christ taught about and the God of the old testament are very different beings...
Why do you think?

The Father sent Jesus.
Same God - a new covenant introduced by Jesus's blood
Jesus stated it was the Father living in Him doing his work. So what Jesus taught was the Father's teaching/message.

Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

pescador · Nov 27, 2020

d taylor said:
The Bible is true and as the current Bible translations are close to 100% accurate. Man and his sin nature has been able to take a few verse and not translate them exactly right.

But if you want to talk about deception, you need bring science in to the discussion. As there is where you will find many lies and outright satanic deception, being used to deceive people (believers and unbelievers alike).

And an example of this "outright satanic deception" is?

d taylor · Nov 27, 2020

pescador said:
And an example of this "outright satanic deception" is?

Any area of Gods creation

pescador · Nov 27, 2020

d taylor said:
Any area of Gods creation

But that's not what you wrote earlier. You wrote that science is where you will find many lies and outright satanic deception. Since science is not a synonym for "any area of God's creation" would you be more specific?

pescador · Nov 27, 2020

Your signature reads, in part, "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that God created a universe/outer space. Where the sun, moon, stars, are located thousand and millions of miles away. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that God created planets. Only heaven, earth, the sun, moon and stars (host of heaven) is stated as being Gods creation."

Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Notice that "heavens" is plural. (NET 2.1 and most other respected translations except the KJV)

NET Translator's note: Or “the entire universe”; or “the sky and the dry land.” This phrase is often interpreted as a merism, referring to the entire ordered universe, including the heavens and the earth and everything in them. The “heavens and the earth” were completed in seven days (see Gen 2:1) and are characterized by fixed laws (see Jer 33:25). “Heavens” refers specifically to the sky, created on the second day (see v. 8), while “earth” refers specifically to the dry land, created on the third day (see v. 10). Both are distinct from the sea/seas (see v. 10 and Exod 20:11).

Bruce Leiter · Nov 27, 2020

Jess347 said:
Hi All,

Any Christians on here think there may be truth and lies worked into the religion and the bible itself?
Or do you believe the bible to be all truth?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts...

Why do you ask the question? The Bible is the sum of God's history and teachings. It is the "contact lens" through which we view and evaluate the universe and humanity, not the other way around.

ZagZig · Nov 27, 2020

Jess347 said:
I just find that the old and new testament are extremely contradictory...
It seems like the Father that Christ taught about and the God of the old testament are very different beings...
Why do you think?

What do you find different between Christ and God the father in the OT?

d taylor · Nov 27, 2020

pescador said:
But that's not what you wrote earlier. You wrote that science is where you will find many lies and outright satanic deception. Since science is not a synonym for "any area of God's creation" would you be more specific?

That is true satan with the tool of science has taken Gods true creation and created a creation void of God creator. And has used this creation to draw many away or blinded people to God and eventually the receiving the free gift of Eternal Life.

Aussie Pete · Nov 27, 2020

concretecamper said:
Humor me and quote me a single passage.

It seems to me that you are taking the word "bible" literally. No, there is no word "bible" in God's word. "Bible" simply means a collection of books. "Holy Bible" has come to mean the collection of books that were declared to be the inspired word of God. Protestants and Catholics agree in the most part but not 100%.

By "bible", the vast majority of Christians mean the 66 books that you will find in every complete collection that make up the Holy Bible. If that is your interpretation also, then all you have to do is read the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

Psalm 27 · Nov 27, 2020

d taylor said:
Any area of Gods creation

??

Psalm 27 · Nov 27, 2020

bèlla said:
Religion and politics have historically proven to be useful tools for controlling the masses. Do I put it pass anyone to diddle with the bible? Of course not. That’s the first thing they’d touch since none would suspect it.

Some would decry, God would never permit it. I’d remind them of the litany of horrors that exist and ask them to revisit that statement.

Does it change the reality of God and His majesty? No. Do I place my trust in human agents? Never.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

John 2:24
35 people were found worthy

d taylor · Nov 28, 2020

Psalm 27 said:
??

Well the areas listed in the Bible that God created heaven, earth, raqia, sun, moon, stars, man, animals, etc.. (Genesis 1)

Nigel Malka · Nov 28, 2020

Jess347 said:
I just find that the old and new testament are extremely contradictory...
It seems like the Father that Christ taught about and the God of the old testament are very different beings...
Why do you think?

There are contradictions in the bible and this to my mind is because
1, you have different writers writing about the same thing in a different mindset.
2, Items being written at different times, [like did Jesus show his anger in the temple at the start (John) or at the end (others) of the Ministry?]
3, God sees his creation changing and helps in its development which is why Jesus tells the Jews that they have not always understood God's ways in the manner he intended. [like healing on a Sunday]
4, God changes his mind as seen when Abram and Moses and other plead for his change of heart.

Anyway it raises the very big question between the old and new testament in which few want to go into As God is Love, what is Love?

Nigel Malka · Nov 28, 2020

bèlla said:
Religion and politics have historically proven to be useful tools for controlling the masses. Do I put it pass anyone to diddle with the bible? Of course not. That’s the first thing they’d touch since none would suspect it.

Some would decry, God would never permit it. I’d remind them of the litany of horrors that exist and ask them to revisit that statement.

Does it change the reality of God and His majesty? No. Do I place my trust in human agents? Never.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Interesting, for it seems that you have little faith in the leadership of the church and place your faith in God and the teaching of his Son. So does that mean that like me you place greater trust in the guidance of God's Holy Spirit working within you rather than in the theologians who look to go beyond the simple truth that Jesus gave us so make others think they way is the right way.

concretecamper · Nov 28, 2020

Aussie Pete said:
Lord Jesus confirmed that the Bible is the truth

Aussie Pete said:
. No, there is no word "bible" in God's word. "Bible"

Please make up your mind. If you can show us all where Jesus confirmed the Bible is the truth, I'll take a look.

Aussie Pete said:
By "bible", the vast majority of Christians mean the 66 books that you will find in every complete collection that make up the Holy Bible

since there are more Catholics than all the protestants combined, I would have to say that the majority of Christian have a Bible with 73 books.

Psalm 27 · Nov 28, 2020

d taylor said:
Well the areas listed in the Bible that God created heaven, earth, raqia, sun, moon, stars, man, animals, etc.. (Genesis 1)

You don’t believe The Bible? Or scientists?

d taylor · Nov 28, 2020

Psalm 27 said:
You don’t believe The Bible? Or scientists?

I believe the Bible, science is a lie (a very large percentage). Actually man can basically only record lies so if history goes against the Bible then the Bible should be believed over history or any written record of man.

pescador · Nov 28, 2020

d taylor said:
I believe the Bible, science is a lie (a very large percentage). Actually man can basically only record lies so if history goes against the Bible then the Bible should be believed over history or any written record of man.

It's interesting to me that you sit at your computer -- a key tool of the scientific digital age -- and send messages -- via the (vast) scientifically-created Internet -- to others, who read your posts on their digital screens created by science, vilifying science.

Why not complain that, since English wasn't around when the Bible was written, that all writings in English, from the selection of Bibles to your own words, are satanic lies?

Then you follow up that claim by saying that "the Bible should be believed over history or any written record of man". What do you think the Bible is, if not "history or any written record of man"? Most of the Bible, by far, is both history and a written record of man.

If "man can basically only record lies", just exactly what are you doing?

Cis.jd · Nov 28, 2020

Jess347 said:
Hi All,

Any Christians on here think there may be truth and lies worked into the religion and the bible itself?
Or do you believe the bible to be all truth?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts...

Yes. People do insert their views, beliefs, or even agenda onto the Bible and Religion.
Kenneth Copland is an example. Some people here also defend their bad/fallacious/uneducated arguments to be God's word and how the other person just doesn't understand/agree because "they don't hear his voice"... so they just have to be taken as valid.

There are also people who have a fanaticism towards the Bible and mistake it to be in obedience to God. Hence they make statements that science is a lie, and just how all evidence has to be disregarded.

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