Trump's rhetoric v Harris

[A2SG]

Re: Trump's ramblings

I will never be a Trump supporter, but his rambling neverending response may actually be the first indication I've seen of his being a "very stable genius."
Because all over cyberworld he'll have AI circuits explode trying to compose a synopsis of his answer.

So we can credit Trump for preventing SkyNet's takeover?

-- A2SG, maybe he just doesn't like competition.....

 

[Bradskii]

Re: Trump's ramblings

I will never be a Trump supporter, but his rambling neverending response may actually be the first indication I've seen of his being a "very stable genius."
Because all over cyberworld he'll have AI circuits explode trying to compose a synopsis of his answer.

@AlexB23 is our AI guru. Maybe we could ask him to paste that first speech into the AI of his choice and get it to estimate the age of the person making it.

 

[MrMoe]

No. But he was also wrong to bring up covid in regard to protecting auto workers jobs in Flint. An epidemic a couple of years ago is not going to help his job now. Wrong to bring up nuclear war. Tanks. His relationship with Putin or Kim Jong-um. Is North Korea building SUV's for the US market? Neither has anything to do with car making. He was wrong about India's nuclear capability and five countries having said capability. Both about protecting Flint's auto workers and the number of countries. He was wrong to mention global warming in relation to auto workers. And rising sea levels. Do you see how far Flint is from water? Working with Russia has nothing to do with it, nor their minerals or their size. The Mexican deficit has no affect on Flint's car workers. Or how he was going to change the world's economy in 24 hours (really? Twenty four hours?

Hang in, we're getting there. There'll be an answer soon.

He was wrong to talk about consultants wanting millions of dollars in fees to destroy the US. Completely irrelevant. And wrong about changing things in 24 hours (again). Wrong about bringing up covid - yet again. Wrong to bring up why he calls it the China Flu. Who cares what he calls it? The auto workers? Wrong to bring up Spanish Flu. Wrong to bring up that it wasn't a problem from France (just...what?). Wrong to explain that he doesn't know what it means. That's just showing his ignorance. Wrong to say that Putin endorses Harris. That won't help the auto industry one iota. And wrong to sound confused about why Putin did it. That just showed he doesn't understand satire.

Hang in. Not far to go.

He was wrong to talk about a reciprocal car tax. There are hardly any Chinese cars sold in the US. Wrong to mention anything at all about Musk, whether he endorsed him or not. Was anyone in Flint worried about that? He was wrong to mention some random unnamed senator who knew nothing about finances (what on earth was that actually about?). He was wrong to say anything about meeting the Indian PM. Utterly irrelevant. Nobody is impressed. At all. He was wrong to talk about his top ten countries for being tough. Who is worried in Michigan about Trump's league table of tough guys. He was wrong to say it's either free trade or he makes a lot of money. As if that's his only simplistic options. And then...and then he says 'You are going to have plants built at a level that you haven't seen in 50 years.'

Well, we got to a statement that I guess you could call in some way 'an answer'. But there's nothing to back that up. And it took ten minutes to get there. New plants he says? Well they've been building new plants in Michigan like crazy. EV plants. From here: Where mega battery, EV projects stand after $1 billion in Michigan subsidies | Bridge Michigan

'Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has staked much of her economic legacy on transitioning the auto industry to electric vehicles, arranging incentives and corporate tax breaks of more than $2 billion to five companies.'

Well, gee - that's not much use to a guy who is building ICE cars in his plant. So we can see that even his ten second answer at the end of a ten minute rambling, nonsensical waste of everyone's time wasn't even correct in the first place.

Other than that...at least it made his debate performance maybe a half point better in comparison. So he now gets a 2 (and that's out of ten).

Like I've already told you, being wrong doesn't equate to rambling. So Trump could have been wrong on all these it's still related to the question. Hence it's not rambling.


Kamala Harris on the other hand...

Yeah, she immediately said that unemployment was better.

Obviously because there was a pandemic and the country shut down. This a normal part of the recovery.

That public health was better.

Expected after a pandemic.

And went on to say that there were 16 million new jobs. That there were 800,000 new jobs in manufacturing. That they now had the lowest black unemployment figures in generations. That there was a greater investment in small businesses. And that the cost of prescription medicine had been capped. And that was before we hit the two minute mark. So all the voters who were affected by those policies were better off.

"The Black unemployment rate, which the Bureau of Labor Statistics has been tracking since 1972, dropped in April 2023 to 4.8% — the lowest point on record. But the most recent data show that the Black unemployment rate, as of August, was 6.1% — exactly where it was in February 2020, when former President Donald Trump was in power.

The economic effects of the COVID-19 pandemic drove up unemployment rates for all Americans. At its worst during the pandemic, the Black unemployment rate reached a high of 16.9% in April 2020. When Trump left office, the rate improved, but still remained high at 9.3%.

Prior to the pandemic, Black unemployment had reached a low of 5.3% under Trump in August and September 2019. That was a record until last year.

Despite the immediate and lingering effects of the pandemic, the average monthly unemployment rates during the Trump (7.9%) and Biden (6.5%) administrations were below the historical average of 11.4%, dating to January 1972."


"Harris also repeated her false claim that the Biden administration “came in during the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” When she made a similar claim during the Sept. 10 debate, we wrote that the unemployment rate was 6.4% when Trump left office in January 2021. That was lower than it was during several administrations since the 1930s."

Harris’ Jobs Remarks Lack Context - FactCheck.org

In boasting of job creation, Vice President Kamala Harris told an organization of Black journalists, "We have the lowest Black unemployment rate in generations." The rate did dip to its lowest point last year, but as of last month it was the same as the pre-pandemic rate under the Trump...

www.factcheck.org

She went on to say that were things like groceries higher? Yes, they were. And that she and the government had more work to do (I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you the reasons for global inflation).

So people are worse off than they were 4 years ago? Okay, got it.

So did we watch the same video?

Yes, and she never answered the question.

I should help you out here and tell you that schoolyard type mimicry doesn't work very well in forums like this.

It's not "schoolyard type mimicry" it's holding you up to your own standards. If your arguments are unbias they should be able to be applied to both sides of politics.

 

[Bradskii]

Like I've already told you, being wrong doesn't equate to rambling. So Trump could have been wrong on all these...

He was. All of his multiple and completely random topics dragged out over an execrable ten minutes having nothing to do with motor manufacturing jobs in Flint whatsoever. And I mean literally nothing.

it's still related to the question.

Not in any way in this universe.

Hence it's rambling.

Correct. A ten minute mish mash of unconnected, disconnected, rambling, mostly incoherent, nonsensically weird and barely comprehensible stream of consciousness that only resulted in a completely incorrect answer in the last 5 or 6 seconds. And that's putting it mildly. In my humble opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[AlexB23]

@AlexB23 is our AI guru. Maybe we could ask him to paste that first speech into the AI of his choice and get it to estimate the age of the person making it.

In theory, but if any of that speech refers back to Trump, then the AI could say the speech was by Trump. But, I could try.

This is what Meta AI said. I agree with its findings:

 

[MrMoe]

He was. All of his multiple and completely random topics dragged out over an execrable ten minutes having nothing to do with motor manufacturing jobs in Flint whatsoever. And I mean literally nothing.

Not in any way in this universe.

Poor attempt at gaslighting. Everything he said was related to threats to jobs in America.

Correct. A ten minute mish mash of unconnected, disconnected, rambling, mostly incoherent, nonsensically weird and barely comprehensible stream of consciousness that only resulted in a completely incorrect answer in the last 5 or 6 seconds. And that's putting it mildly. In my humble opinion.

Your mileage may vary.

Typo aside, you perfectly described Kamala Harris. The fact that you ignored the proof that Kamala never answered the question is telling.

 

[Fantine]

In theory, but if any of that speech refers back to Trump, then the AI could say the speech was by Trump. But, I could try.

This is what Meta AI said. I agree with its findings:

View attachment 354784Very interested. Sounds like he can "run" but he can't hide.

 

[loveofourlord]

Re: Trump's ramblings

I will never be a Trump supporter, but his rambling neverending response may actually be the first indication I've seen of his being a "very stable genius."
Because all over cyberworld he'll have AI circuits explode trying to compose a synopsis of his answer.

I would never either, but I would be sick of his ramblings by now, people keep leaving his rallies, and I suspect 90% isn't because they don't want him to be president, but why sit there and listen to an incorherant rant for 2 or so hours.

 

[loveofourlord]

In theory, but if any of that speech refers back to Trump, then the AI could say the speech was by Trump. But, I could try.

This is what Meta AI said. I agree with its findings:

View attachment 354784

can't trust AI it has a well known liberal bias /s

 

[Fantine]

I would never either, but I would be sick of his ramblings by now, people keep leaving his rallies, and I suspect 90% isn't because they don't want him to be president, but why sit there and listen to an incorherant rant for 2 or so hours.

The people watching might be kind of fun. That could be more entertaining than the main attraction.

 

[QvQ]

Trump does give one word answers. And he is consistent.
When asked specifically what he would do about inflated grocery prices, he said, "Energy."
I do not agree with him sometimes but he answers concisely and always the same.

Kamala, there is no there there.
Kamala shifts with the wind.
Now it is "Inflation is due to greedy gouger grocery stores but there are very few of them."
This was after she proposed imposing price controls on all of them because All of them were greedy gougers.
Don't know from one day to the next what she is for, even if she does state policies. She changes her positions with a wag of her tongue.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

See. You guys are not serious about your critiques of Trump. No way. There is no way you can convince me otherwise based on comments like this. It has nothing to do with what any candidate says All that matters is what team they're on. Maybe that's a both sides deal, but it is the way it is.

LOL How silly. All of my mine are consistent. Yours are literally contradictory when you compare the two. It's cool, man. Remain in denial if you wish. We agree on why, though, don't we?

 

[AlexB23]

can't trust AI it has a well known liberal bias /s

Haha, good one. But yes, sometimes AI does have a bias it seems.

 

[loveofourlord]

Haha, good one. But yes, sometimes AI does have a bias it seems.

if it does, it's probably the same one reality does :> As the old saying goes, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." least when it comes to the pandemic, evolution, climate change and stuff that isn't just opinions.

 

[AlexB23]

if it does, it's probably the same one reality does :> As the old saying goes, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." least when it comes to the pandemic, evolution, climate change and stuff that isn't just opinions.

Bro, reality has a centrist bias, and is non-partisan. Not liberal, not conservative. Or maybe, I am a moderate, and have a moderate bias.

Some liberals like to bend reality to the liberal side, while conservatives bend the reality to the conservative side. Anyways, before I get too deep into debating liberalism as a centrist, I have to plug a question that someone asked about Aquinas into some artificial intelligence. My computer will run out of RAM, so I would not be able to use this site or have time to debate with a liberal until the computer is done thinking.

 

[loveofourlord]

Bro, reality has a centrist bias, and is non-partisan. Not liberal, not conservative. Or maybe, I am a moderate, and have a moderate bias.

Some liberals like to bend reality to the liberal side, while conservatives bend the reality to the conservative side. Anyways, before I get too deep into debating liberalism as a centrist, I have to plug a question that someone asked about Aquinas into some artificial intelligence. My computer will run out of RAM, so I would not be able to use this site or have time to debate with a liberal until the computer is done thinking.

well on many subjects it's liberal bias, tends to be things that the right has issues. And it's more joking about how often the republicans complain about liberal bias towards things like evolution/climate change wich like you say are centrist ideas, but tend to be taken up by the left and hated by the right.

 

[MrMoe]

LOL How silly. All of my mine are consistent. Yours are literally contradictory when you compare the two. It's cool, man. Remain in denial if you wish. We agree on why, though, don't we?

"Is that how you would rather her answer questions? Like a robot using only the most efficient and necessary words with no explanation or other commentary?"


"Do they really want her to just state her one-line policies in answer to questions with no commentary or explanation? Do people really think that would make for good TV?"


Yet here you are complaining about Trump's answer where he did not answering questions "like a robot", added lots of commentary and providing good TV.
No consistency whatsoever.

 

[Hans Blaster]

well on many subjects it's liberal bias, tends to be things that the right has issues. And it's more joking about how often the republicans complain about liberal bias towards things like evolution/climate change wich like you say are centrist ideas, but tend to be taken up by the left and hated by the right.

It's less about "reality having liberal bias" in that the right is not really a conservative movement, but a traditionalist/anti-modern/reactionary movement. (Once it could be about conserving traditions, now it is about returning to old, particularly pre-modern, ones.)

Various factions and influences on the right have pushed them against reality. Evolution (and science in general) has fought for a century because it challenges perceptions of traditional religion. Climate change was fought by the oil industry for a half century because it challenged their profits. Anti-science was pushed as "conservative", etc.

 

[KCfromNC]

Trump does give one word answers. And he is consistent.

Right-wing backlash to Trump flip-flop on Florida abortion amendment speaks to a bigger problem

Trump had signaled an openness to supporting a ballot amendment to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution, sparking criticism from anti-abortion activists.

www.msnbc.com

Donald Trump said on Friday he will vote against Florida's abortion rights ballot amendment after all, as he tries to stem the backlash from anti-abortion Republicans for having suggested earlier that he might support the measure in November.​

 

[AlexB23]

well on many subjects it's liberal bias, tends to be things that the right has issues. And it's more joking about how often the republicans complain about liberal bias towards things like climate change which like you say are centrist ideas, but tend to be taken up by the left and hated by the right.

Well, the American Solidarity Party (a centrist party) believes in climate change, but are also staunchly pro-life. My Republican co-worker is also pro-environment. This stuff is bipartisan, bro.