Trump's rhetoric v Harris

[DaisyDay]

We don't have the problem of a lack of university seats for American students. Rather the opposite: the number of Americans ages 18-21 is declining, which is a challenge for American colleges and universities. My university is specifically recruiting international students to help us stay afloat financially. Google "demographic cliff higher education".

Plus foreign students pay full price, subsidizing American students.

Didn’t see that this was addressed.

 

[rambot]

He talks about it for less than a minute and at the end he says "it's the single biggest threat to the world, not only Michigan, to the world, and, uh, you're not going to care so much about making cars if that stuff starts happening" pretty sure war will have a pretty big affect on jobs.




The question wasn't about tariffs, it was “threats to the future of Michigan auto working jobs.” Read what you wrote.





That "nonsense" was all related to the question.



Not ignoring it. Giving a long answer isn't the same as rambling.

We have the benefit of his speech being broken into paragraphs. That along allows the listener/reader to feel that things are connection to a kind of "topic sentence".
So let's take a look at what the topics are that get covered:
1) Nuclear weapons
2) Relationship with Putin, Xi, Kim.
3) Barely coherent...seems to be talking about some personal qualities of these leaders and...something about opponents?
4) Global warming...BUT it also touches on ocean front property and WWIII...ends with what sounds like (almost) pensive regret that atomic weaponry exists.
5) How Global Warming got a name change to "climate Change". (note: He isn't actually making a connection between AGW and the problem in flint yet....just talking about agw).
6) Doing business with China or Russia
7) Doing business in Mexico (NOT auto industry related yet)
...and deficits
8) COVID stuff


Sorry, I'm on my lunch break right now. There are still 4 paragraphs I haven't touched. I didn't really bother to say much about how he doesn't really connect his ideas in his speech.
He's an atrocious orator. I WILL say he talks about his plan With China which one could argue is ACTUALLY related to the question but it's barely coherent.


As a teacher, if this was written for the question given and it was on a test, I'd feel insulted that a student thought they could try to trick me by loading up a bunch of BS.


It's pretty clear how the content of the speech has nothing really to do with the citizen of Flint's question.

 

[DaisyDay]

I would never either, but I would be sick of his ramblings by now, people keep leaving his rallies, and I suspect 90% isn't because they don't want him to be president, but why sit there and listen to an incorherant rant for 2 or so hours.

Yes, the thing that might do him in is that he’s become boring. Americans like to be entertained.

 

[AlexB23]

Yes, the thing that might do him in is that he’s become boring. Americans like to be entertained.

Haha, so true. There is even a theologian who said that how even churches may go the entertainment route as well.

A.W. Tozer's quote, "The church that can’t worship must be entertained. And leaders who can’t lead a church to worship must provide the entertainment", emphasizes the need for authentic worship within the church. When a church cannot engage in genuine worship, they often resort to entertainment to keep the congregation engaged. However, this can lead to harmful, secular practices being introduced into the church.

 

[Bradskii]

Trump does give one word answers. And he is consistent.

WON: "We won, the last time, 50 states, think of it, 50 states." 'We won every state': Trump ramps up his 2020 US election lies against Biden ahead of New York court appearance

LOST: 'During part of the interview when he was discussing his attempts to get South Korean President Moon Jae-in to pay more for U.S. military support, Trump said: "when I didn't win the election, he had to be the happiest..." Donald Trump Finally Admits Defeat: 'I Didn't Win the Election'

WON: “we also won in 2020 – by more..' https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/23/...trump-new-hampshire-victory-speech/index.html

LOST: 'And I got millions of more votes than that and lost by a whisker' Trump admits he lost 2020 election ‘by a whisker’ during Lex Fridman podcast

WON: “I’ll show you Georgia, and I’ll show you Wisconsin, and I’ll show you Pennsylvania,” he said in rattling off states where he claimed, falsely, that he had won. “We have so many facts and statistics.” Trump repeats false claims over 2020 election loss, deflects responsibility for Jan. 6

All those are in chronological order. I haven't checked the news this morning so I don't know what the situation is today.

 

[QvQ]

To be fair:
I read at least one speech of all the candidates once per cycle.
I read the speech Trump gave in New York. He is reliably old school Republican Except on taxes and war.
I actually listened to Harris with Oprah. It was definitely fluff but there were things that stood out. Harris coated the issues in syrup language but she is still very hard left.

 

[Pommer]

To be fair:
I read at least one speech of all the candidates once per cycle.
I read the speech Trump gave in New York. He is reliably old school Republican Except on taxes and war.

This is incorrect, Trump is a right-wing populist running on traditional Republican issues.

I actually listened to Harris with Oprah. It was definitely fluff but there were things that stood out. Harris coated the issues in syrup language but she is still very hard left.

We should oughta try “hard left” for a season, once in a great while.

 

[loveofourlord]

Well, the American Solidarity Party (a centrist party) believes in climate change, but are also staunchly pro-life. My Republican co-worker is also pro-environment. This stuff is bipartisan, bro.

yeah, sorry, maybe some people, but just have to pay attention to here and elsewhere, just look at the right wing in the goverment and such. Kinda like with the left, often the common folk are far more rational then the ones in charge. You be lucky to find 5-10 republicans that are against climate change and don't think it's a hoax in goverment.

 

[AlexB23]

yeah, sorry, maybe some people, but just have to pay attention to here and elsewhere, just look at the right wing in the goverment and such. Kinda like with the left, often the common folk are far more rational then the ones in charge. You be lucky to find 5-10 republicans that are against climate change and don't think it's a hoax in goverment.

Here is a good rule of thumb: Democrats and Republicans in government are much more partisan and divided compared to the general population of civilians. The common folk are typically more rational, as you have stated.

Now, if possible, try out the American Solidarity Party. If not in 2024, then 2028 when Trump no longer runs. You will not regret it. My guy @chevyontheriver likes that party. I am liking that party as well.

If you wanna learn more about 3rd parties, feel free to join the "Why People vote 3rd Party" thread:

My bros and sisters who are voting 3rd party, why are you voting 3rd party over Kamala and Trump?

Can you express why you are supporting your third party candidate? What does he/she stand for, what has he/she accomplished that garners your vote over the Democrats and Republicans? For myself, I may vote 3rd party, cos I am tired of the woke stuff, but also not a fan of the rhetoric from the...

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[DaisyDay]

Haha, so true. There is even a theologian who said that how even churches may go the entertainment route as well.

Many already do.

A.W. Tozer's quote, "The church that can’t worship must be entertained. And leaders who can’t lead a church to worship must provide the entertainment", emphasizes the need for authentic worship within the church. When a church cannot engage in genuine worship, they often resort to entertainment to keep the congregation engaged. However, this can lead to harmful, secular practices being introduced into the church.

Megachurches are akin to rallies.

 

[AlexB23]

Many already do.


Megachurches are akin to rallies.

Agreed. I made a post about how many churches have gone worldly, and focus on entertainment.

The post (a checklist):

Worldly Churches: A Checklist

Hello folks. How can we discern if a church is worldly (idolizes the world) or spiritual? Have any of you encountered a "worldly" church? What were some warning signs or red flags that helped you decide to leave a church? Here is a 10-part checklist to help aid us on our church journeys. 1...

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This church celebrated Easter by incorporating the Crucifixion with Disney. That is very worldly right there. (Duration = 5 min 30 s)

 

[MrMoe]

We have the benefit of his speech being broken into paragraphs. That along allows the listener/reader to feel that things are connection to a kind of "topic sentence".
So let's take a look at what the topics are that get covered:
1) Nuclear weapons
2) Relationship with Putin, Xi, Kim.
3) Barely coherent...seems to be talking about some personal qualities of these leaders and...something about opponents?

Made sense to me. It's about being respected by other countries.

4) Global warming...BUT it also touches on ocean front property and WWIII...ends with what sounds like (almost) pensive regret that atomic weaponry exists.
5) How Global Warming got a name change to "climate Change". (note: He isn't actually making a connection between AGW and the problem in flint yet....just talking about agw).
6) Doing business with China or Russia
7) Doing business in Mexico (NOT auto industry related yet)
...and deficits
8) COVID stuff


Sorry, I'm on my lunch break right now. There are still 4 paragraphs I haven't touched. I didn't really bother to say much about how he doesn't really connect his ideas in his speech.
He's an atrocious orator. I WILL say he talks about his plan With China which one could argue is ACTUALLY related to the question but it's barely coherent.

He is, but so is Kamala Harris. I would say she is worse.


This is a quote from her recent Oprah interview:


"Rightly having the right to have aspirations and dreams." Absolutely atrocious.

As a teacher, if this was written for the question given and it was on a test, I'd feel insulted that a student thought they could try to trick me by loading up a bunch of BS.


It's pretty clear how the content of the speech has nothing really to do with the citizen of Flint's question.

What do you think about Kamala Harris' answer to the question: "Are they(voters) better off today than they were 4 years ago?"

 

[rambot]

Made sense to me. It's about being respected by other countries.

Why is it that folks who support Trump claim to understand what he's saying 100% of the time? Even when there is no coherency?

It's like listening to Beatles records backwards and being CONVINCED the devil is talking to you.

He is, but so is Kamala Harris. I would say she is worse.


This is a quote from her recent Oprah interview:


"Rightly having the right to have aspirations and dreams." Absolutely atrocious.

Come on, man. That sentence has appropriate grammar. The ONLY "awkward" thing about it is that she uses the word "rightly" twice with two different definitions. Speaking off the cuff, that's totally fine.
KEEPING IN MIND that this was ONE sentence from Trump.....

But look we have to turn it around, if we can we're going to have a reciprocal trade tax we're going to have a...so if China charges 152% which they do in a car if we sell a car made here into China which you don't do because the taxes too high they say to all your companies and to others and to Elon Musk who gave us...he is a great guy, he gave me the strongest endorsement and he's a really wonderful guy, but they say to him we don't want your car unless you build your plant in China and there's nothing wrong with saying that.

Why can't people just say that they like his policies without bending their perception of reality to such an abhorrent perversion that they believe these two speakers are in ANY way comparable in terms of capacity?

He talks like someone high on drugs and its sad people don't just admit that.

What do you think about Kamala Harris' answer to the question: "Are they(voters) better off today than they were 4 years ago?"

I didn't see the video. Which post is it in?

 

[BPPLEE]

Why is it that folks who support Trump claim to understand what he's saying 100% of the time? Even when there is no coherency?

It's like listening to Beatles records backwards and being CONVINCED the devil is talking to you.

Come on, man. That sentence has appropriate grammar. The ONLY "awkward" thing about it is that she uses the word "rightly" twice with two different definitions. Speaking off the cuff, that's totally fine.
KEEPING IN MIND that this was ONE sentence from Trump.....

Why can't people just say that they like his policies without bending their perception of reality to such an abhorrent perversion that they believe these two speakers are in ANY way comparable in terms of capacity?

He talks like someone high on drugs and its sad people don't just admit that.




I didn't see the video. Which post is it in?

If you play Revolution 9 by the Beatles backwards the part that says "Number 9" forward says "Turn me on dead man " backwards

 

[rambot]

If you play Revolution 9 by the Beatles backwards the part that says "Number 9" forward says "Turn me on dead man " backwards

That was the Charlie Manson one right?

TBF, I've never actually listenned to an album backwards so anytime I make that reference, I feel like maaaaybe I am missing out on sometihng.

 

[QvQ]

We should oughta try “hard left” for a season, once in a great while.

It is all about sex with Democrats
Harris said "Everyone should have the freedom to love who they want."
Then there is a "blame Trump" segment on botched abortion.
Sex education is a left position, yes?
Then why are women having unprotected sex? Don't they know any better? Education is free and the Hard Left isn't getting it.
The Democrats obsession with sex, race and gender is a turnoff.
Trump does not have separate ads and agendas like "white men for Harris" with stereotypical language.
Hard Left is genuinely weird.

 

[BPPLEE]

That was the Charlie Manson one right?

TBF, I've never actually listenned to an album backwards so anytime I make that reference, I feel like maaaaybe I am missing out on sometihng.

I've only listened to segments not whole albums but you can use Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a soundtrack to The Wizard of Oz. When the lion roars put the album on and turn off the sound on the TV

 

[rambot]

I've only listened to segments not whole albums but you can use Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as a soundtrack to The Wizard of Oz. When the lion roars put the album on and turn off the sound on the TV

Lol! Yeah...i've heard about that one too. Makes me wish I knew how to play an album backwards....

 

[rambot]

There is a reason why those people leave. For Trump supporting people, I'm curious what your theory is.


MY theory is that a LOT of people are beginning to see how he rambles, is hard to follow, rarely cogent for more than 15 seconds in a row and just kinda boring. Where ALL these things were likely masked (and, from quite a few reports, not NEARLY as bad 8 years ago) by the excitement and "charisma" of his some people are attracted to, I think some of the sheen is wearing off.

Probably would still vote for him, but certainly they understand he's just not the entertainment ticket he was before.

EDIT: To be fair, I'm not sure if Harris loses people.

 

[BPPLEE]

Lol! Yeah...i've heard about that one too. Makes me wish I knew how to play an album backwards....

You have to have an old record player and albums or 45s,
Put the record on the turntable and spin it backwards with your hand.
I'm sure there's technology now to play digital music backwards but it was a long time ago when I did it.
Even when there wasn't something there just playing the record backwards sounds wicked.