Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

[GodLovesCats]

I would prefer to be that one being taken from, than the one receiving from those who have their possessions taken.

So you should have no opposition to paying higher taxes for the benefit of poor people.

 

[RaymondG]

So you should have no opposition to paying higher taxes for the benefit of poor people.

Yes, I have not problem giving to Ceasar what is Ceasars.......I do not assume, however, that what is taken from me is given to the poor. I still have a desire to do more for the poor, than pay taxes.

 

[GodLovesCats]

There are some who choose to have less than the rich have.

Poor people are poor because they are unable to get enough money. What logical reason would they have to choose poverty?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Yes, I have no problem giving to Ceasar what is Ceasar's. I do not assume, however, that what is taken from me is given to the poor. I still have a desire to do more for the poor, than pay taxes.

The government helps the poor by giving them money. Where does that money come from?

You can do more to help the poor. That does not give you any reason to object to also giving your money to the poor, which Jesus said we should do. Did he not say we should give month money and items?

It is safe to assume if the names Social Security and Medicare are on your pay stub, your taxes will be for those two programs.

 

[ananda]

The laws are set up so that people with access to power don't have to pay much in taxes if they don't want to, they can shelter money away or even waste it without much harm coming to them. People like Donald Trump can make stupid, risky business decisions, lose money, and write it off their taxes. A small businesswoman simply can't do that.

That is a huge problem, but it's not just about taxes. The policy behind the currency supply itself promotes such behavior, which is far more systemic.

 

[RaymondG]

Poor people are poor because they are unable to get enough money.

Note, that just become one appears to be poor in your eyes does not mean that they view themselves as poor. The poster I was speaking to had no desire to become rich with me.......yet I doubt he is poor....nah he may, in fact have riches unmatched by any amount of dollars you can obtain in this world.

What logical reason would they have to choose poverty?

The poverty Gospel. Many believe themselves holier the lower the number in the bank account. Some believe that can obtain riches in heaven, by foregoing material items on earth. Some believe they can purchase their ticket to heaven with monies they refuse to earn and take here on earth.

Poverty is just as rewarding to the followers of this gospel, as riches are, to those who love money.

I say let every man have the desires of their heart...

 

[RaymondG]

It is safe to assume if the names Social Security and Medicare are on your pay stub, your taxes will be for those two programs.

So would it be a good thing to desire to make more and more money so that the amounts next to "the names Social Security and Medicare are on your pay stub" increases more and more? OR should we aim for modest living and modest contributions to "the names Social Security and Medicare are on your pay stub"?

 

[bekkilyn]

I do not judge what others do, as I am held accountable for my own thoughts and actions. I did not suggest that taking from the poor and giving to the rich was good or bad......only that I would feel the same for this scenario that I would for the reverse.

It seems that many would praise taking from the rich to give to the poor, but frown on the exact opposite. Arent they both the same? how is taking from one different than taking from another? Are we to use mammon as a judge of righteousness? Is righteousness determined only after viewing ones bank account?

Let us frown upon the taking from the poor and the rich alike.....if we desire a change. Saying that, taking from one is ok, but the other isnt.....just look at money to determine what is right....sends an erroneous message into the atmosphere.

What if the poor are simply taking back what the rich stole?

 

[RaymondG]

What if the poor are simply taking back what the rich stole?

I'd advise against it. When the devil takes something from me, I tell him "You can Have it, Cause God's got something better(for me)!" Sometimes we have to clean house to make room for more....And I dare not refill the spots with the old. Therefore "And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also."

You have everything already....even after something is taken.

 

[yougottabekidding]

Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

Anything that is not behind a pay sight?

Question - are we better off with people coming off food stamps, or when we were adding people to food stamps by the millions?

 

[yougottabekidding]

So you should have no opposition to paying higher taxes for the benefit of poor people.

Would you mind paying an additional 20% in federal taxes to help the poor?

 

[bekkilyn]

I'd advise against it. When the devil takes something from me, I tell him "You can Have it, Cause God's got something better(for me)!" Sometimes we have to clean house to make room for more....And I dare not refill the spots with the old. Therefore "And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also."

You have everything already....even after something is taken.

Perhaps, but as a society, we should nevertheless still work to fix the unjust conditions and social structures which enabled the rich to be able to so easily steal from the poor in the first place.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Would you mind paying an additional 20% in federal taxes to help the poor?

Did you ever notice I AM poor and need that money rich people refuse to pay?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Note, that just become one appears to be poor in your eyes does not mean that they view themselves as poor. The poster I was speaking to had no desire to become rich with me.......yet I doubt he is poor....nah he may, in fact have riches unmatched by any amount of dollars you can obtain in this world.

Exactly what makes you think I view people as poor who really aren't? Poverty is defined as having under a specific amount of money that is determined by the federal government. Nothing is subjective about it. If you have less than this amount, you are in poverty. If you have at least that amount, you are not.

The poverty Gospel. Many believe themselves holier the lower the number in the bank account. Some believe that can obtain riches in heaven, by foregoing material items on earth. Some believe they can purchase their ticket to heaven with monies they refuse to earn and take here on earth.

Again, NOTHING is subjective when the government is involved. You can talk about social opinions on the definitions of poor and rich in the Christians Only political forums, but there is only ONE legal definition of poor for tax and benefits purposes. That is what Trump is ruining and needs to be drastically improved.

 

[NotreDame]

Trump Wants to Take From the Poor and Give to the Wealthy

The title is ironical since social welfare programs are paid for, in part, by the pocket books of the wealthy. Social welfare programs may be justifiable, perhaps preferred, but let’s not delude ourselves into thinking the money redistributed into those programs through taxation of the more affluent is to “take from the poor.” The money the poor receives is not their own money but they are receiving money someone else labored to receive as income to compensate for labor performed.

The subsidy to farmers to mitigate the the loss of incodme directly attributable to Trump’s trade war with China isn’t analogous to social welfare programs. These farmers aren’t receiving subsidies because they are poor and destitute.

 

[Halbhh]

WE need do nothing with the rich......we only need to make the poor rich for no one to be rich. However, as you can see from the post above....there are some who choose to have less than the rich have......and such is their right. Who are we to from extra money on them who do not desire it? For Jesus said that we will have the poor always.

Is this thread about eliminating taxation? I have no issues will giving taxes to the government and 10% to the churches.

Most of us know or learn at some point the fact that many of the rich pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes than a middle income family. Example: someone like Buffet paying only 16% or 17% (while some of the very and ultra rich pay even far lower effective rates than that!), while his secretary, making vastly less income than Buffet pays a much higher rate than Buffet, such as 20%, or more. (Even though the income tax rates make it seem to most people as if the reverse would be the norm.)

The reality:

Rich: many pay shockingly lower rates, especially the very rich.

Average people: Pay higher rates.

Fact checking the claim: Clinton: Buffett said he pays lower tax rate than secretary

(or instead of a fact check, one could read an economics article discussing this in depth, if they think it's rare, and find out the reality)

We've heard the rationalizations for the special lower rates (I mean I read sympathetically the economic rationalizations/arguments in favor of those, not just some content free opinion pieces). But see, a lot of us don't buy those rationalizations, nor the even worse special breaks some get. We that have learned about some of that can make a reasonable guess at why Trump doesn't want his tax information released. He needs to maintain secrecy about that, one can guesstimate, as his voters might not like the bottom line at all.

 

[GodLovesCats]

The title is ironical since social welfare programs are paid for, in part, by the pocket books of the wealthy. Social welfare programs may be justifiable, perhaps preferred, but let’s not delude ourselves into thinking the money redistributed into those programs through taxation of the more affluent is to “take from the poor.” The money the poor receives is not their own money but they are receiving money someone else labored to receive as income to compensate for labor performed.

Who do you think is getting the money listed on pay stubs as going to Social Security?

 

[bekkilyn]

The title is ironical since social welfare programs are paid for, in part, by the pocket books of the wealthy. Social welfare programs may be justifiable, perhaps preferred, but let’s not delude ourselves into thinking the money redistributed into those programs through taxation of the more affluent is to “take from the poor.” The money the poor receives is not their own money but they are receiving money someone else labored to receive as income to compensate for labor performed.

The subsidy to farmers to mitigate the the loss of incodme directly attributable to Trump’s trade war with China isn’t analogous to social welfare programs. These farmers aren’t receiving subsidies because they are poor and destitute.

The money the poor receives is actually oftentimes their own money. Most poor people do work. Many work multiple jobs and are still poor. They work just as hard or even harder as rich people who make much of the money they make off of the sweat and labor of the poor. The rich are rewarded for their work many times more than their work is actually worth while the poor often work extremely hard for very little reward.

So if the rich have to pay a larger percentage into social welfare programs to help the poor people they are often using and abusing to gain and retain their wealth, then they are giving back at least some portion of the wealth they took more than their fair share from those who helped them get it.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Did you forget about the people who can't work at all or those who for various reasons can't find jobs?

 

[Halbhh]

Who do you think is getting the money listed on pay stubs as going to Social Security?

Y'all should find this interesting:
Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits - Marketplace

And NotreDame, especially you should find it interesting.

The title is ironical since social welfare programs are paid for, in part, by the pocket books of the wealthy. Social welfare programs may be justifiable, perhaps preferred, but let’s not delude ourselves into thinking the money redistributed into those programs through taxation of the more affluent is to “take from the poor.” The money the poor receives is not their own money but they are receiving money someone else labored to receive as income to compensate for labor performed.

The subsidy to farmers to mitigate the the loss of incodme directly attributable to Trump’s trade war with China isn’t analogous to social welfare programs. These farmers aren’t receiving subsidies because they are poor and destitute.