Trump threatens to close down social media

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Federal Election Commission (FEC) Commissioner Ellen Weintraub on Wednesday strongly hit back at claims from President Trump that mail-in voting leads to high levels of fraud, asserting that there is "no basis" for such allegations and that the falsehoods "may well undermine the American people's faith in our democracy.
From where I stand, that appears to be the whole point. And if that is the case, her complaint may serve only to encourage him that he is winning.
 
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Now that Donald has signed the order, how long before he realizes that the Social Media companies can easily avoid US prosecution by simply relocating out of the country?

How many jobs are worth losing to make sure Donald doesn't get his feelings hurt again?
 
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From where I stand, that appears to be the whole point. And if that is the case, her complaint may serve only to encourage him that he is winning.
And may well cost her the Commissioner's job.
 
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Twitter come out punching. What a glorious sight. :D

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Doesn't tapping a landline or mobile require a court order? Because what they're asking for re social media and email appears to just be free access to the private data of any American citizen who uses any of those services.



That would certainly be a fair argument if people were only allowed to use Facebook and Twitter. At the moment though there's nothing stopping people using other services, or getting information from elsewhere on the internet.

It's also worth mentioning that Twitter and Facebook aren't preventing conservative thought and discussion, they're simply tagging content that is deceptive. You can talk all day on there about small government, the need for border controls, and the sanctity of marriage or whatever, but they increasingly won't allow people to spread downright lies and conspiracy theories. Their previous reluctance to censor this kind of content is exactly why they received such huge criticism in the past, and why governments around the world have been threatening to legislate unless they acted on it. It's not an attack on conservative thought unless you think conservative thought is inherently dishonest (which neither I nor they do). They will apply the same restrictions to conspiracy theories or lies from the left.

Nevermind, I just saw an article on the EO of Trump and I wasn't realizing the correct context of this thread.

You may disregard my comments as a whole. They were all off topic.
 
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Twitter come out punching. What a glorious sight. :D

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Trump has 80 million followers.

So the question is, is this a fight Twitter wants to have?

Obviously they are willing to take it to the wall... let's see where that wall goes...
 
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Trump has 80 million followers.

So the question is, is this a fight Twitter wants to have?

Obviously they are willing to take it to the wall... let's see where that wall goes...

Twitter didn't want the fight at all, but they've been under huge pressure from governments to clamp down on misinformation and abuse on their platform. It was only a matter of time until this came to a head. Trump breaks their Terms of Service on a near daily basis, in a fair world they'd have banned him back in 2016.
 
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He woke up..

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Twitter is doing nothing about all of the lies & propaganda being put out by China or the Radical Left Democrat Party. They have targeted Republicans, Conservatives & the President of the United States. Section 230 should be revoked by Congress. Until then, it will be regulated!13:10 - 29 May 2020
 
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The crazy thing is, if he did start his own, personal Twitter, it would actually probably be really successful. All his followers would download it. Not as big as Twitter, but it would certainly have a big user base.
He'd run into issues monetizing it while also doing his full time job.

Or at least should, in theory. Who knows with the GOP running the Senate. I mean, they'd probably even let him get away with trying to bribe foreign governments to do campaign ads for him, speaking totally hypothetically.
 
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Twitter didn't want the fight at all, but they've been under huge pressure from governments to clamp down on misinformation and abuse on their platform. It was only a matter of time until this came to a head. Trump breaks their Terms of Service on a near daily basis, in a fair world they'd have banned him back in 2016.

When you only silence one side and one point of view, your only publishing half the story...

Where's the fairness?

The internet was supposed to be a free exchange of idea's without fear. Now we are using it to silence the half, and bowing to communist governments.

That was never the point.
 
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Trump has 80 million followers.

So does Ellen Degeneres.

Lady Gaga has 81 million.

The number 1 spot, to the surprise of nobody, goes to former president Barack Obama --118 million followers.

List of most-followed Twitter accounts - Wikipedia

So the question is, is this a fight Twitter wants to have?

Actually, the question is, is there a reason Twitter should care?

Because how many of Donald devoted Twitter followers -- counting only the ones who are actual human beings, of course -- are going to do something in protest... or because Donald demands it?

Obviously they are willing to take it to the wall... let's see where that wall goes...

Nowhere. Even if they all leave Twitter in protest, Twitter loses nothing of value, since membership is free.

Donald's far more likely revenge scenario involves either another executive order, or a command to the DoJ for some spiteful enforcement of his last one.
 
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When you only silence one side and one point of view, your only publishing half the story...

Where's the fairness?

Twitter remove vast numbers of posts and ban thousands of people every day for breaking their Terms of Service. It has nothing to do with sides, and its certainly not just conservatives being moderated. Trump however routinely ignored their ToS and just does whatever he wants. If anything its the left who should be complaining about Trump not being held to the same standards as literally any other Twitter member would be.

The internet was supposed to be a free exchange of idea's without fear. Now we are using it to silence the half, and bowing to communist governments.

That was never the point.

I'm not sure where you get this idealized vision of the internet from. It was actually a military application originally, and then the preserve of hardcore nerds like myself. It's never been somewhere where the exchange of ideas was totally free, due to all the communication platforms being privately owned. Even on the early bulletin boards and forums you were completely at the mercy of whoever owned that service to decide whether to allow you to post, and whether to censor your speech.

As for silencing the other half, do you maybe see the irony of you complaining on the internet about the internet silencing you?
 
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Twitter remove vast numbers of posts and ban thousands of people every day for breaking their Terms of Service. It

Yes, they do. And this is about more than just politics.

This has to do with what defines an open platform and what defines a publisher and at which point one (open platform) becomes the other (publisher) under the law.

The EO just states that editing content, deleting content, shadowbanning etc. is what turns an open platform (legally protected from liability for the content posted by its users) into a publisher (legally liable for content it publishes under the law) because those are actions of a publisher and not simply a provider of a platform.

That's all. So now it's the law itself which will be argued.
 
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If Trump successfully gets 230 protections pulled from Twitter, it will put Twitter in a position where they will have to shut down Trump’s account because they will be responsible for anything he posts. Trump just took his own Twitter account hostage.
 
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If Trump successfully gets 230 protections pulled from Twitter, it will put Twitter in a position where they will have to shut down Trump’s account because they will be responsible for anything he posts. Trump just took his own Twitter account hostage.

They've edited content or deleted content from the majority of conservatives on the planet.

Why care if they double down on it?

Conservatives will leave, in favor of platforms that are truly open platforms as is what normally happens in the course of events. Many already have.

And the dems who favor free speech instead of partisan sounding boards will follow, as all their fun will be gone.
 
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Yes, they do. And this is about more than just politics.

Yes, it's about how a leader should act and those who have utterly failed to hold him accountable. It's disgraceful that we, the American people, have tolerated such childish behavior for the past three years.
 
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They've edited content or deleted content from the majority of conservatives on the planet.

Why care if they double down on it?

Conservatives will leave, in favor of platforms that are truly open platforms as is what normally happens in the course of events. Many already have.

And the dems who favor free speech instead of partisan sounding boards will follow, as all their fun will be gone.

No they haven’t deleted content from a majority of conservatives, because most conservatives are rule abiding, reasonable people who don’t go around breaking terms of service agreements they signed up for.

As for leaving the platform, what are you (and Trump) waiting for? You all could have done this literally any time you wanted.
 
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They've edited content or deleted content from the majority of conservatives on the planet.

Why care if they double down on it?

Conservatives will leave, in favor of platforms that are truly open platforms as is what normally happens in the course of events. Many already have.

I’d have to see some evidence of them editing or deleting content from conservatives but not liberals.

This isn’t doubling down. This is about legal liability and watching out for their own company. If Twitter is made liable for what Trump tweets, they will shut Trump’s account down. They do not want that great of a legal liability with someone who 1) cannot be controlled and 2) does not like them.

Without 230 protections, Trump could purposely publish libelous material, have him and Twitter get sued for it, use the office of the presidency to protect himself, and leave Twitter on the hook. Twitter would just shut his account down than deal with that. It does cause an issue for Trump, he already doesn’t have campaign rallies, take this as well and he loses his way to talk directly to the American people. He would be more at the mercy of the media.

I see no way how this actually helps Trump other than flexing his muscles to show to us all that he’s got them.
 
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Yes, they do. And this is about more than just politics.

This has to do with what defines an open platform and what defines a publisher and at which point one (open platform) becomes the other (publisher) under the law.

The EO just states that editing content, deleting content, shadowbanning etc. is what turns an open platform (legally protected from liability for the content posted by its users) into a publisher (legally liable for content it publishes under the law) because those are actions of a publisher and not simply a provider of a platform.

That's all. So now it's the law itself which will be argued.

The law was supposed to allow for internet companies to actually function in a landscape of laws that had never been written with them in mind. With the rapid change in how we communicate, these companies were going to fall foul of rules never intended to target them, so measures were put in place to shield them from liability. The idea that a platform can't moderate its content is idiotic and totally unworkable. The really stupid thing about all this is that it has nothing to do with the larger issue really anyway, this has only suddenly become supposedly actionable because Trump himself had a tweet moderated.

Think about that for a moment, he only cared about this enough to act because he personally had a tweet moderated. That's your president.
 
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