Trump Scoffs at Expanded Voter Regulations

[46AND2]

Headline:

Biden: States Should Prepare for Remote Voting in 2020 Elections

What a huge surprise, huh? Not.

Not sure what your point is. If it has been estimated that Democrats would do better in remote polling, OF COURSE they would want to do that. You have failed to show that the cause for that estimation stems from nefarious means.

 

[grasping the after wind]

And in other news on how not to respond to a health threat with guns, Rhode Island is going to implement military house to house searches to seek out and imprison New Yorkers.

Rhode Island Police to Hunt Down New Yorkers Seeking Refuge

So if you are in Providence and you are there illegally from a foreign country you have nothing to fear but if you are a legal US citizen from New York State they will come for you. New Yorkers forced to live in the shadows.

 

[Albion]

Not sure what your point is. If it has been estimated that Democrats would do better in remote polling, OF COURSE they would want to do that.

So we're getting somewhere with this after all.

And WHY do you suppose they would do better if just any voter can pick up an absentee ballot and find someone who is homebound and fill out that ballot for him?

Or maybe it's because if the only major party candidates on the November ballot are Democrats, the winner of the election might turn out to be a Democrat? Ya think??

And these are two real examples taken from the "reforms" we are talking about.

 

[46AND2]

So we're getting somewhere with this after all.

And WHY do you suppose they would do better if just any voter can pick up an absentee ballot and find someone who is homebound and fill out that ballot for him?

Or maybe it's because if the only major party candidates on the November ballot are Democrats, the winner of the election might turn out to be a Democrat? Ya think??

And these are two real examples taken from the "reforms" we are talking about.

Again, you have utterly failed to demonstrate 1. that such cheating is likely/possible/evidenced or 2. that Democrats are significantly more likely to gain from it than Republicans.

 

[Albion]

Again, you have utterly failed to demonstrate 1. that such cheating is likely/possible/evidenced or 2. that Democrats are significantly more likely to gain from it than Republicans.

Failed to persuade you, that is.

Is that because the mechanics of voting are not your concern...or, if not that, aren't very familiar to you? Just asking.

The facts speak for themselves, though, and this is not a matter of me converting everyone. Some people will naturally applaud the so-called reforms and I know that.

 

[46AND2]

Failed to persuade you, that is.

Is that because the mechanics of voting are not your concern...or, if not that, aren't very familiar to you? Just asking.

The facts speak for themselves, though, and this is not a matter of me converting everyone. Some people will naturally applaud the so-called reforms and I know that.

What facts? You haven't given any facts. You have merely asserted that Democrats want the system so they can cheat. You have given no reason why ONLY the Democrats can gain from such mysterious cheating.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

What facts? You haven't given any facts. You have merely asserted that Democrats want the system so they can cheat. You have given no reason why ONLY the Democrats can gain from such mysterious cheating.

Donald trump made a commission to look into all the voter fraud that the Democrats pulled, Donald trump is clearly not a liar, so the results should be ready real soon. As well as the commission he sent to Hawaii to find Obama's birth certificate 10 years ago, I’ll bet that will be revealed real soon too.

 

[Al Touthentop]

So if you are in Providence and you are there illegally from a foreign country you have nothing to fear but if you are a legal US citizen from New York State they will come for you. New Yorkers forced to live in the shadows.

It's crazy. And there are legitimate reasons for healthy New Yorkers to stay out of New York. Right to Travel Freely and Freedom of association? Let's do away with that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are already party organizations across the nation working to get changes to our election laws in a variety of ways.

The proposal being talked about here came up somewhat unexpectedly only because Congress is working on saving us from the Corona Virus, so there's a chance to pack the next bill with Pelosi-type additions that have nothing to do with the Virus but might be approved because the rest of the bill would seem like an emergency measure that cannot wait.

Some of these that have already seen action at the state level include same-day registration (verifying the identity of the stranger would be very difficult to do in all cases), vote harvesting by which anyone can take an absentee ballot and go out to find someone in a nursing home or etc. to fill it out--or do it for them--and bring it back up to three days AFTER election day and have it counted. This gimmick works to change the outcome of elections and for obvious reasons.

Also, there is the "top two" voting system in use in California and Washington by which the top two finishers in the primary election go into the general election regardless of party. This prevents a major party, in some areas, from even having a candidate on the ballot in November.

This is only part of the answer to your question, but it should give you some insight into the matter.

What is wrong with a top two system? If a party cannot find a decent candidate then do they even belong on the ballot? One is not limited what party one votes for in the primaries. One can switch back and forth between the two for various races on one's ballot. One could choose a Democrat attorney general and a Republican governor in the primary just as one can do in the election.

 

[Albion]

What is wrong with a top two system? If a party cannot find a decent candidate then do they even belong on the ballot?

That's why we have contested elections--so that the people will decide who's a "decent candidate" in the opinion of the voters.

I can see why you find nothing amiss with these so-called reforms.

 

[stevil]

The truth is that the proposed reforms will permit cheating and that's why the Democrats favor them.

Wasn't it a Republican that was found to be cheating in the last election?

Why do you think cheating at election votes favours the Democratic party? What evidence do you have that supports this view?

The Democratic party have been criticising the Republican party of voter suppression, in particular of the poor, of the ethnic minorities. Isn't this a form of cheating?

 

[Albion]

Wasn't it a Republican that was found to be cheating in the last election?

There have been some, and all good people want that sort of thing stopped.

On the other hand, I don't think that any Republican members of Congress have tried to pass legislation that would make cheating easier. Republicans, that is.

And with that, we are now back on topic.

 

[stevil]

There are already party organizations across the nation working to get changes to our election laws in a variety of ways.

The proposal being talked about here came up somewhat unexpectedly only because Congress is working on saving us from the Corona Virus, so there's a chance to pack the next bill with Pelosi-type additions that have nothing to do with the Virus but might be approved because the rest of the bill would seem like an emergency measure that cannot wait.

Some of these that have already seen action at the state level include same-day registration (verifying the identity of the stranger would be very difficult to do in all cases), vote harvesting by which anyone can take an absentee ballot and go out to find someone in a nursing home or etc. to fill it out--or do it for them--and bring it back up to three days AFTER election day and have it counted. This gimmick works to change the outcome of elections and for obvious reasons.

Also, there is the "top two" voting system in use in California and Washington by which the top two finishers in the primary election go into the general election regardless of party. This prevents a major party, in some areas, from even having a candidate on the ballot in November.

This is only part of the answer to your question, but it should give you some insight into the matter.

How does any of this benefit the Democratic party and detriment the Republican party?

 

[stevil]

Just to be clear. You assert that it is the intention of the Democrats to cheat in future elections when they have the chance to do so and to favour changes in the law that would facilitate cheating?

The recent impeachment of Trump was because Trump was cheating in the upcoming 2020 election.
The Democratic party were trying to put an end to that cheating rather than encourage it.
The Republican party were all for Trump cheating, except for Mitt Romney.

 

[Albion]

How does any of this benefit the Democratic party and detriment the Republican party?

Let's see. If the electoral system were changed so that there probably wouldn't even be a Republican on the General Election ballot...would that "benefit" the Democrats? Or not?

How long do we think we'll need to ponder the question before the answer comes to us?

 

[Albion]

The recent impeachment of Trump was because Trump was cheating in the upcoming 2020 election.

Wow. How soon we're off-topic again.

 

[stevil]

Cheating would be getting an undocumented block of Mexicans to vote Democrat because they like the programs of free stuff.

If you can load the voter registration with people who should not be allowed to vote, (Non Citizen, Non Documented) then it would benefit your Candidate.

Is there any evidence that this has actually happened or been attempted?

 

[stevil]

So we're getting somewhere with this after all.

And WHY do you suppose they would do better if just any voter can pick up an absentee ballot and find someone who is homebound and fill out that ballot for him?

Or maybe it's because if the only major party candidates on the November ballot are Democrats, the winner of the election might turn out to be a Democrat? Ya think??

And these are two real examples taken from the "reforms" we are talking about.

What if the only major party candidates are Republicans?
What if a Republican voter can pick up an absentee ballot?

Please show how this favours Democrats and not Republicans?

 

[stevil]

There have been some, and all good people want that sort of thing stopped.

On the other hand, I don't think that any Republican members of Congress have tried to pass legislation that would make cheating easier. Republicans, that is.

And with that, we are now back on topic.

Republicans have voted in support of Trump extorting Ukraine to support his election chances.
Republicans AND Democrates have voted to gerrymeander electorates.
Republicans have voted in support of voter suppression.

 

[Albion]

You asked if non-citizens had voted. And you asked if a Republican had ever cheated to vote. And you asked how the proposed electoral reforms in Congress would benefit the Democrats. None of these latest ramblings are anywhere near being relevant to any of that.