Trump: "release the J6 hostages"

[Truth7t7]

I refer you to my previous post(s). You do not know what you are talking about.

The capitol police chief would agree with my observation as seen below in bold red

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NPR​

Capitol Police Suspends 6 Officers, Investigates Dozens More After Capitol Riots​

February 19, 2021

"The investigation into the January 6 attack remains under investigation. Our Office of Professional Responsibility is investigating the actions of 35 police officers from that day. We currently have suspended six of those officers with pay," the department said in a statement.

Capitol Police Acting Chief Yogananda Pittman further directed that any member whose behavior is not in keeping with the department's Rules of Conduct "will face appropriate discipline."

The department "has been actively reviewing video and other open source materials of some USCP officers and officials that appear to be in violation of Department regulations and policies," she said on Jan. 11.

Videos from the day of the attack appear to show some officers escorting rioters inside the building. In one video, USCP officers can be seen opening barricades allowing the mob to enter the Capitol complex without resistance.

 

[Hans Blaster]

NPR​

Capitol Police Suspends 6 Officers, Investigates Dozens More After Capitol Riots​

February 19, 2021

we've discussed this before and we are unimperssed by your quoting of 3 year old articles when newer, more complete information is available.

 

[Truth7t7]

That is sad to read.

Republicans have imagined some alternative world where the DOJ and President Biden are out to get Trump at all costs, when the fact is that the DOJ is doing what they do by bringing lawbreakers to justice. Biden is not even involved.

Have fun in that fantasy world.

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

At the very same time false charges are brought against President Trump for the same, as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

 

[Arcangl86]

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

You must have missed the fact that AG Garland appointed a special prosecutor specifically to investigate that situation.

At the very same time false charges

I don't know what a "false charge" is supposed to be, but these charges were brought by a grand jury, as required by the Constitution.

are brought against President Trump for the same,

Actually the charges aren't because he had the documents. The charges are because he refused to turn them over when told he couldn't have them and allegedly tried to hide them.

as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President

There is absolutely no evidence to even suggest that he declassified them and even if he did it doesn't matter, he wasn't legally allowed to have them.

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

No it's not a fact. It's an opinion, and one that doesn't have much to support it.

 

[JustOneWay]

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

If you would have researched anything on this story, Biden AND Pence immediately returned anything in their possession. If Trump had done the same he wouldn't be in the mess he is in.

At the very same time false charges are brought against President Trump for the same, as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President

It has been proven the documents were not declassified.

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

fiction.

 

[stevil]

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

What a silly equivalence.

You know the authorities were working with D Trump for a year before doing the raid. They were going incredibly soft on him, in the hopes he would volunteer to return the documents, but instead he lied, he hide them, he got others to lie...

At the very same time false charges are brought against President Trump for the same, as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President

LOL. There is no evidence that he declassified documents. Actually there is strong evidence of him admitting the documents weren't declassified. But also this is beside the point, because even if declassified, these documents weren't his to keep.

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

No, that hasn't happened at all.
There is a massive difference when comparing Garland to Barr.
Barr was running round pleasing D Trump, interferring into many investigations.
Garland has not interferred into any investigations.

 

[Arcangl86]

What a silly equivalence.

You know the authorities were working with D Trump for a year before doing the raid. They were going incredibly soft on him, in the hopes he would volunteer to return the documents, but instead he lied, he hide them, he got others to lie...

LOL. There is no evidence that he declassified documents. Actually there is strong evidence of him admitting the documents weren't declassified. But also this is beside the point, because even if declassified, these documents weren't his to keep.

No, that hasn't happened at all.
There is a massive difference when comparing Garland to Barr.
Barr was running round pleasing D Trump, interferring into many investigations.
Garland has not interferred into any investigations.

And Garland has made a practice of going either outside the government or using Trump appointees for politically sensitive investigations, unlike Barr.

 

[Truth7t7]

First, there are only two cases against Trump being brought by the DOJ, Jan 6th and classified documents. Both are run by the special counsel precisely to keep the President and his political appointees out of the decision tree.

Jack Smith was appointed by Merrick Garland, who was chosen to be US Attorney General by Joe Biden

The classified documents case started when the National Archives contacted him for missing classified documents. He didn't return them and actively obstructed the search. So he was indicted for retention of classified documents and obstruction of justice.

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

At the very same time false charges are brought against President Trump for the same, as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

 

[Truth7t7]

You must have missed the fact that AG Garland appointed a special prosecutor specifically to investigate that situation.

Would you expect AG Merrick Garland and his appointed prosecuto to charge his boss with criminal charges, Big Smiles!

Did Joe Biden have classified government documents stored in his garage, in violation of the espionage act 100% yes

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CNN​

Special counsel investigating Joe Biden’s handling of classified material is not expected to bring charges​

By Paula Reid, CNN, Thu November 16, 2023

 

[wing2000]

I and the democrats believe him too, can't wait!

You think it's a mystery the democrats and Bidebs DOJ are pulling all the stops out trying to stop Trump, they know what's coming, and so does many in the world, it's called "the shoe is on the other foot now", my turn, can't wait!

I think the DOJ and state level proesecutors are holding Donald Trump accountable for his actions after the 2020 elections. My opinion is backed by 91 Federal indictments. I really don't care what effect these prosecutions have on Donald Trump. It's his choice to run as an indicted candidate. It's the voters choice to reject him.

 

[JustOneWay]

Would you expect AG Merrick Garland and his appointed prosecuto to charge his boss with criminal charges, Big Smiles!

Did Joe Biden have classified government documents stored in his garage, in violation of the espionage act 100% yes

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You have been provided the information regarding the documents, yet you still purposefully ignore the facts.

Why didn't they arrest Mike Pence?

This was not partisan.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Jack Smith was appointed by Merrick Garland, who was chosen to be US Attorney General by Joe Biden

That's how it works with appointments, but the AG doesn't have any visibility into the investigation.

Biden himself is guilty of maintaining "Classified" government documents after leaving office as Obama's VP, he had these documents in his garage at home in violation of the espionage act, and his DOJ Merrick Garland has no intent of investigating or bringing charges against him

He appointed a special counsel. (I believe a Republican.) Plus: Biden hasn't even been charged, not to mention convicted. This is far off topic for this thread. Please stop trying to divert it with irrelevancies.

At the very same time false charges are brought against President Trump for the same, as he declassified the documents before leaving office as was allowed in his executive position as President.

If the charges are false, why hasn't Judge Cannon dismissed them? She has that power. Where in the docket can we find a ruling acknowledging the "declassification" of the documents? Cite a source.

Yes Bidens DOJ has been weaponized against Donald J. Trump and conservatives (Fact)

That's an opinion, not a fact, and only Trump is relevant to this thread.

 

[Arcangl86]

Would you expect AG Merrick Garland and his appointed prosecuto to charge his boss with criminal charges, Big Smiles!

No I don't, because DoJ policy has for decades forbade charging the President with a crime. Doesn't mean that what he finds can't be used in impeachment or prosecutions after Joe leaves office. And he will be required to issue a report about what he found and explaining his charging decisions.

Did Joe Biden have classified government documents stored in his garage, in violation of the espionage act 100% yes

Actually from what we know it's not clear that he violated the espionage act. Simply having the documents isn't enough. There needs to be willful communication or retention. If he didn't know the documents were there, then there was no violation since he handed them over right away.

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CNN​

Special counsel investigating Joe Biden’s handling of classified material is not expected to bring charges​

By Paula Reid, CNN, Thu November 16, 2023

We'll see why, but I suspect it'll be one of the two things I mentioned, DoJ policy or lack of mens rea.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually from what we know it's not clear that he violated the espionage act. Simply having the documents isn't enough. There needs to be willful communication or retention. If he didn't know the documents were there, then there was no violation since he handed them over right away.

Your claim is false, Biden had "unauthorized possession" of defense related Top Secret documents, he is in violation of the espionage act

BBC​

Top secret documents reportedly found in Biden cache​

13th January 2023,

Espionage Act: 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

 

[Arcangl86]

Your claim is false, Biden had unauthorized possession of defense related classified documents, he is in violation of the espionage act

BBC​

Top secret documents reportedly found in Biden cache​

13th January 2023,

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

Odd how you seem to missed the part of the law that says "will communicates... or willfully retains." Simply having the information is not a violation of the law.

 

[stevil]

Would you expect AG Merrick Garland and his appointed prosecuto to charge his boss with criminal charges, Big Smiles!

Did Joe Biden have classified government documents stored in his garage, in violation of the espionage act 100% yes

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CNN​

Special counsel investigating Joe Biden’s handling of classified material is not expected to bring charges​

By Paula Reid, CNN, Thu November 16, 2023

When Rod Rossenstein hired Robert Mueller to investigate whether members of the Trump 2016 presidential campaign had colluded with the Russians to illegally interfere in the 2016 presidential election, they put restrictions onto Robert Mueller. They told him not to indict the sitting president. So it instead became an investigation into everyone on the campaign team other than Donald Trump.

With regards to the Special Council assigned by Garland to investigate Biden's documents, we don't know if this restriction has been placed on him.

 

[Truth7t7]

Odd how you seem to missed the part of the law that says "will communicates... or willfully retains." Simply having the information is not a violation of the law.

Your claim is false, Joe Biden was in "Unathorized Posession" of Top Secret defense documents, in direct violation of the espionage act

Odd how you didn't read the word "OR" that separates the many actions of this law, Once Again!

The Hill​

Navy sailor pleads guilty to espionage for submarine photos​

BY JULIAN HATTEM - 05/27/16

On Friday, he pleaded guilty to one count of unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information. The charge falls under the Espionage Act, according to Politico, which first reported the plea.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your claim is false, Biden had "unauthorized possession" of defense related Top Secret documents, he is in violation of the espionage act

BBC​

Top secret documents reportedly found in Biden cache​

13th January 2023,

Espionage Act: 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information​

(e)
Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;

The red part you highlighted *is* important, but the second clause is as well.

Willful retention and failure to deliver are the issues. There is no evidence that either Biden or Pence "willfully retained" any such document. From all available reporting (the ONLY information we have in the public) both Biden and Pence not only returned any such documents when realizing they had them, but invited the FBI to search. Trump did not.

Accidental retention is *not* a crime.

 

[Truth7t7]

Accidental retention is *not* a crime.

No such thing as accidental retention, try telling that to a cop when he finds 1lb of cocaine in your vehicle, smiles!

 

[Hans Blaster]

No such thing as accidental retention, try telling that to a cop when he finds 1lb of cocaine in your vehicle, smiles!

Read the statute more carefully. Do you need it diagrammed for you?