Trump Raid updates

[grasping the after wind]

The main complaint I have heard is not that the FBI has done anything illegal just that they had the nerve to do it to an ex-president so it MUST be political because it was done to Trump and we know that Trump is the most prosecuted person on earth because he is constantly saying so.

Is that a run-on sentence, it took a big breath to write it so I think so.

People at the FBI had already done something illegal by lying to the FISA court. That to says to me that people in the FBI have a personal grudge against Trump. Whether because of his criticism of the bureaucracy or because of political partisanship or reasons only they are aware of the animus toward Trump is obvious. Some were, and perhaps some still are, willing to break the law in order to find something to use against him. That being the case it is reasonable to be suspicious of anything that agency does in regard to Trump. Even more chilling though, is that if some at the FBI are willing to break the law to get someone, how many people are they willing to break the law in order to get? I doubt Trump will be, is, or has been the only one. Shumer seemed to suggest that is the case not only Trump but for anyone foolish enough to criticize the "intelligence community".

Schumer Warns Trump: Intel Community Has Many Ways to 'Get Back at You' (FLASHBACK) - YouTube

 

[grasping the after wind]

I think it's too early to reach any conclusions. Time will tell what was found and if there was probable cause. If anything truly damning was found it probably would have been leaked by now.

I don't think so. If anything, damning was found they would keep it under wraps. They will leak if there is something they can pretend is damning but actually isn't. That has been the way they have proceeded up until now.

 

[wing2000]

If anything truly damning was found it probably would have been leaked by now.

I would not assume that as AG Garland has been running a very tight ship.

 

[BPPLEE]

I would not assume that as AG Garland has been running a very tight ship.

Exclusive: An informer told the FBI what documents Trump was hiding, and where

 

[Belk]

People at the FBI had already done something illegal by lying to the FISA court. That to says to me that people in the FBI have a personal grudge against Trump. Whether because of his criticism of the bureaucracy or because of political partisanship or reasons only they are aware of the animus toward Trump is obvious. Some were, and perhaps some still are, willing to break the law in order to find something to use against him. That being the case it is reasonable to be suspicious of anything that agency does in regard to Trump. Even more chilling though, is that if some at the FBI are willing to break the law to get someone, how many people are they willing to break the law in order to get? I doubt Trump will be, is, or has been the only one. Shumer seemed to suggest that is the case not only Trump but for anyone foolish enough to criticize the "intelligence community".

Schumer Warns Trump: Intel Community Has Many Ways to 'Get Back at You' (FLASHBACK) - YouTube

What lie was that?

 

[Ceallaigh]

The main complaint I have heard is not that the FBI has done anything illegal just that they had the nerve to do it to an ex-president so it MUST be political because it was done to Trump and we know that Trump is the most prosecuted person on earth because he is constantly saying so.

Is that a run-on sentence, it took a big breath to write it so I think so.

I can understand wanting to gloss over it, but it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

 

[Ceallaigh]

I generally try to offer support for my personal opinions when I present them in a public forum. Otherwise, there's not much point in bringing them up.

All you seem to offer is criticism of other members rather than actually discuss the topic. Bye.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

All you seem to offer is criticism of other members rather than actually discuss the topic. Bye.

I tried:

The same could be said about the sphericity of the planet or the existence of God. The fact that disagreement exists does not mean that the contrarians are automatically correct. So far, there is no evidence that the FBI did not follow the rules here. Assertions without evidence by the aggrieved party (or their supporters) should always be taken with a healthy grain of salt.

And I'll try again:

I can understand wanting to gloss over it, but it seems to go a bit deeper than that.

And what makes you think that?

 

[Halbhh]

To Everyone:

By Law, a President cannot take records away into his personal possession where any record is about official or presidential business, notes, any matter relating to government, and so on.

Only personal records can be taken away, and those are records that are only and solely of a personal nature, such as photos of your dog, personal dairy, golf outing scores, and so on...

Personal records are defined as: “documentary materials or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character, which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President” and which include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business,” “private political associations” and “materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency” [44 U.S.C. § 2201(3)].

Guess whether Trump took records he was not allowed by law to remove...

What is your guess?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

To Everyone:

By Law, a President cannot take records away into his personal possession where any record is about official or presidential business, notes, any matter relating to government, and so on.

Only personal records can be taken away, and those are records that are only and solely of a personal nature, such as photos of your dog, personal dairy, golf outing scores, and so on...

Personal records are defined as: “documentary materials or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character, which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President” and which include “diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business,” “private political associations” and “materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency” [44 U.S.C. § 2201(3)].

Guess whether Trump took records he was not allowed by law to remove...

What is your guess?

And lets not forget who stiffened the penalties for violating those laws from 1 year in prison to 5 making it a felony.

Anyone wanna take a guess?

 

[BPPLEE]

And lets not forget who stiffened the penalties for violating those laws from 1 year in prison to 5 making it a felony.

Anyone wanna take a guess?

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

 

[cow451]

I think it's too early to reach any conclusions. Time will tell what was found and if there was probable cause. If anything truly damning was found it probably would have been leaked by now.

Garland has run a pretty tight ship so far. This investigation didn't just start yesterday.

 

[BPPLEE]

Garland has run a pretty tight ship so far. This investigation didn't just start yesterday.

You already posted a link about the source who gave the information for the search warrant. I did too.
Exclusive: An informer told the FBI what documents Trump was hiding, and where

 

[cow451]

And lets not forget who stiffened the penalties for violating those laws from 1 year in prison to 5 making it a felony.

Anyone wanna take a guess?

I know I know!!!

 

[cow451]

I don't think so. If anything, damning was found they would keep it under wraps. They will leak if there is something they can pretend is damning but actually isn't. That has been the way they have proceeded up until now.

You do realize that Trump and his kracken legal team have copies of the warrant and items seized. You do know that, right?

 

[BPPLEE]

You do realize that Trump and his kracken legal team have copies of the warrant and items seized. You do know that, right?

The same legal team that didn't tell him not to take stuff from the WH to his house or not to turn everything over in January? Or the legal team that told him he should contest the election in court?

 

[Tinker Grey]

I think it's too early to reach any conclusions.

Well *I* think it was a run-on sentence.

 

[cow451]

The same legal team that didn't tell him not to take stuff from the WH to his house or not to turn everything over in January? Or the legal team that told him he should contest the election in court?

The one the RNC is paying.

 

[stevil]

People at the FBI had already done something illegal by lying to the FISA court. That to says to me that people in the FBI have a personal grudge against Trump.

Although that warrant was to surveil Carter Page, not Donald Trump, and was part of the Russia Collusion investigation which was investigating non Donald Trump members of the Trump 2016 presidential campaign. So not at all an investigation to get Donald Trump.

Also, that investigation occurred firstly by the FBI and then was taken up by the Special Council which was put in place by the Republican acting Attorney General. A Republican group investigated the origins of this investigation and found that it was the appropriate thing to do, given the evidence at hand, that an investigation into Russian collusion was warranted.

Even more chilling though, is that if some at the FBI are willing to break the law to get someone, how many people are they willing to break the law in order to get? I doubt Trump will be, is, or has been the only one. Shumer seemed to suggest that is the case not only Trump but for anyone foolish enough to criticize the "intelligence community".

I'm sure the Republican party will launch many investigations into the origins of this,
but in the meantime, it is chilling to see that an ex-president has been potentially committing serious crimes.
It is heartening to see that the Justice system will hold anyone accountable, even ex presidents.
We will be more informed in the coming months as to what it is they were seeking, why they had reasonable cause to seek and whether Trump gets charged and/or found guilty of crimes.

He has pled the 5th which means he has information but that information will incriminate himself.

 

[com7fy8]

the predictable "One side says it's justified" vs. "Other side says it's an unprecedented overreach"

Donald Trump is unprecedented; so if being unprecedented is automatically wrong . . .

It is claimed that unprecedented has to do with the claim that nothing like this has ever happened to a president before.

What about President Nixon? A Republican, by the way. I suppose presidents or former presidents have on some way been subjected to major scrutiny. The details might not have included house raids.

And it seems that Donald's administration appointed the FBI director who is now overseeing the investigation of President Trump. This along with how Donald's majority federal Supreme Court threw out his stolen election case, plus numerous federal judges appointed by his administration also threw out stolen election claims.

And Donald gave us his word that he would release his tax reports. And he gave us his word that the first thing he guaranteed he would do, if elected, would be to indict Hillary Clinton.

So - - am I thanking God for anything good that God used Donald to do or still uses him to do? yes

Am I guaranteeing anything he says?