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Trump allies try to recast Capitol rioters as patriots ahead of Sept. 18 ‘justice’ rally (msn.com)

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by ArmenianJohn, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore but I am amazed that they are trying to once again re-write history about the Jan. 6 rioters and this time trying to portray them as "Patriots", even as they are being convicted and sent to prison one by one... It's truly unbelievable.

    ‘Some people are calling it Jan. 6 trutherism’: Trump allies try to recast Capitol rioters as patriots ahead of Sept. 18 ‘justice’ rally (msn.com)

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    "Now, allies of former President Donald Trump are calling those charged in the Capitol riot “political prisoners,” a stunning effort to revise the narrative of that deadly day."
     

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  2. Fervent

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    As Jefferson said "a little rebellion now and then is good for America." Whether they were correct in their outrage, or not, the government should fear its people.
     
  3. Petros2015

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    I doubt we'll see Round 2.
    If we do, I expect it to be a very short round indeed.
    Zero sympathy for this.
     
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  4. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    I don't see that anywhere in God's Word. I see that Christians are to subject themselves to the government as they are God's ordained Ministers of His Justice to you for Truth and resisting it makes one subject to damnation.

    But nothing in God's Word about rebellion, other than that it's the sin of witchcraft. But TJ wouldn't care, he was not a Christian, so of course what was good in his eyes goes against God's Word - there is a way that seems right to man but the ways thereof lead to destruction.
     
  5. ArmenianJohn

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    I agree. I don't think all the talk about overthrowing a "tyrannical government" is anything monre than just talk. I think most of them have been frightened into reality by the results of Jan. 6 and now any such talk is sabre rattling and nothing more.
     
  6. Fervent

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    Who is the delegated authority in America? The government are not rulers, they are representatives. Servants, not authorities unto themselves.

    Trying to blanket apply Biblical directives without recognizing the nuance is bound to lead to poor conclusions. Especially to compare cival disobedience/upheavel to witchcraft.
     
  7. Mark Quayle

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    Kind of amazing to me that those who went there and did nothing get, by silence, implied to be among the "insurrectionists." And Trump, of course, using language not even as bad as many of the Dems have used through the years, and did not know anyone had planned to riot, is said to have goaded them on etc. Sick. Yet nobody wants to know why warnings were not heeded, and nobody was ready for this...

    And nobody wants to know about the thousands of rioters in these "mostly peaceful" Antifa/BLM riots where businesses are ruined, people are threatened, beaten and killed, government offices trashed and burned, and it went on and on, and nobody says anything.
     
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    Yep. Not to mention those wishing death upon political adversaries for having the gall to support a candidate. But its people who support Trump that are hateful, right?
     
  9. wing2000

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    "As a nation, our adjustments have been profound. Many Americans struggled to understand why an enemy would hate us with such zeal. The security measures incorporated into our lives are both sources of comfort and reminders of our vulnerability. And we have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders, but from violence that gathers within. There is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. But in their disdain for pluralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols, they are children of the same foul spirit. And it is our continuing duty to confront them."

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  10. Jay Sea

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    I'm from the UK and I have always been suspicious of anyone calling themselves a patriot as often they are excluding others, even those, born in their country who does not have same political views.
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  11. ArmenianJohn

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    The government are indeed rulers. "Govern" is a synonym for "rule". Not sure why you have any notion that they are different. Our government is a representative one but they are a government nonetheless with the authority of government, the authority to rule (see the Constitution). All rulers, including Kings and Emperors, are servants anyway - they serve their people, they provide a service. That's why they get paid for it, via taxes. That's also in Romans 13.

    Romans 13 has no "nuance" and is quite clear.
    As for Rebellion:
    1 Samuel 15:23 KJV: For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
     
  12. ArmenianJohn

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    If they went there and were among the insurrectionists then what's wrong with identifying that fact?

    Your whataboutism is noted but Trump did directly incite the crowd to march down to the capital and fight. He even said he'd go with them (although that turned out to be a lie).

    Well that's not true at all, but even if it were, it doesn't change the fact that the rioters on Jan. 6 broke many laws based on their desire to follow Trump's directives.

    What's to know? And how does that make it OK for the Jan. 6 rioters to attack and destroy our nation's highest legislative building, threatening and attempting to kill lawmakers?
     
  13. ArmenianJohn

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    I don't mind mentioning it - I think i was horrible how the rioters on Jan. 6 wanted to kill lawmakers, including and especially their own Mike Pence. They even brought a gallows particularly to hang him specifically and chanted "HANG MIKE PENCE!!" all day.

    Right, I do agree with you on this point. It was demonstrated by how they turned on their own Mike Pence to the point of wanting to literally lynch him. You can hear them chanting "Hang Mike Pence!!!" in this video:
     
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    We are to submit to govt so long as they dont ask us to do something God said not to.
     
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    I'm actually kinda surprised Donald has done anything for them. I figured he'd just follow his usual pattern and abandon them completely after doing his bidding.

    I mean, a few words is literally the least he could do, but after letting his personal attorney end up in jail he doesn't exactly have a reputation for standing up for people who support him.
     
  16. dqhall

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    It was close to treason: calling for the hanging Pence and erecting a gallows, killing a cop and wounding 150 others, breaking and entering the Capitol Bldg., trying to stop the certification of President Biden, obstruction of justice, vandalism, theft, rioting. Many protestors had Trump flags. Over 500 have been arrested and charged with crimes.
     
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  17. Petros2015

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    CLOSE?!?!?!?
    The only thing it was close to was an overthrow!
     
  18. Mark Quayle

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    They went, but were not among the rioters. They did not riot. Only the rioters rioted. But because the narrative is that Trump caused this riot, all Trump supporters that were there are rioters. Yet Trump had nothing to do with the riot.

    No, he did not incite the crowd to march down there and riot. As for whataboutism, the hypocrisy of left's demonizing whole segments of the population, by association, with the rioters, while ignoring or excusing or casting in a positive light —and even encouraging— earlier rioting in which much worse damage was done by the rioters, points to the left's interpretation of events Jan 6 as mere biased 'interpretation'. On top of that, there are claims that some of the rioters and specially some of the instigators were leftists, but that is still poo-pooed, or shouted down, or ignored; it is simply not interesting to those who have a narrative that needs to be preached.

    Soros and his kind, if they don't believe in Christianity's afterlife, have a lot to answer for. I wouldn't want their 'Karma'.

    No, it was planned before Trump had anything to say, nor did he instigate anything.

    What's to know??? You don't remember???? You don't want to remember.

    Who said it was ok to riot, or to do anything you claim happened there?
     
  19. dqhall

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    In June Trump admitted he lost the election. He was overthrown.
     
  20. Tiberius Lee

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    you mean like this
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