Trump allegedly revealed sensitive info about nuclear submarines, according to reports

[Valletta]

Pratt recounted that he told Trump during their conversation that Australia should buy submarines from the U.S., and an excited Trump "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet, told him two pieces of information about American submarines, ABC reported, citing the anonymous sources.

Trump allegedly revealed sensitive info about nuclear submarines, according to reports

Trump shared the number of warheads that U.S. submarines typically carry and how close they can get to Russian submarines without being detected, sources told ABC News and The New York Times about Pratt's account to investigators.

www.nbcnews.com

You're going to hear more and more fake news, like never before, in order to distract away from Joe (Joe just reversed course on a border wall) and to smear President Trump. Elitists are furious at people who don't automatically vote for Democrats. If they can get away with electing Joe, when Joe has created so many disasters, they can get away with anything.

 

[JeffP]

Pratt recounted that he told Trump during their conversation that Australia should buy submarines from the U.S., and an excited Trump "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet, told him two pieces of information about American submarines, ABC reported, citing the anonymous sources.

Trump allegedly revealed sensitive info about nuclear submarines, according to reports

Trump shared the number of warheads that U.S. submarines typically carry and how close they can get to Russian submarines without being detected, sources told ABC News and The New York Times about Pratt's account to investigators.

www.nbcnews.com

You're going to hear more and more fake news, like never before, in order to distract away from Joe (Joe just reversed course on a border wall) and to smear President Trump. Elitists are furious at people who don't automatically vote for Democrats. If they can get away with electing Joe, when Joe has created so many disasters, they can get away with anything.

Your observations on potential deflective tactics and media narratives employed to sway public opinion are intriguing. It's indeed common to witness a flurry of strategically placed news stories, especially in heated political climates. However, let's pivot for a moment and explore an alternative perspective: Could it be possible that, in expressing such staunch resistance and labeling these reports as 'fake news,' you might inadvertently be exhibiting the exact response anticipated, and arguably sought, by political strategists?

It’s essential to acknowledge that both Democrats and Republicans, or any political entities for that matter, might engage in manipulating narratives to evoke particular emotional responses from their audiences. This is not to undermine your perspective but to propose a mindful examination of how passionately partisan perspectives might actually be nurtured by the very mechanisms we seek to criticize.

Our political landscapes are rife with instances where emotional triggers—be it fear, outrage, or solidarity—are employed across the board to garner support or direct attention. Thus, stepping back and questioning not just the opposing but our own aligned narratives as well ensures we are not unconsciously adhering to a predefined script written by those with specific political agendas.

Moving forward, perhaps it is through fostering an atmosphere of skepticism towards all political narratives and a consistent demand for verifiable truth that we might navigate through the labyrinthine paths of politicized messaging. In this, unity in demanding accountability and transparency from all our leaders, regardless of political allegiance, becomes not only relevant but fundamentally crucial.

 

[Valletta]

Your observations on potential deflective tactics and media narratives employed to sway public opinion are intriguing. It's indeed common to witness a flurry of strategically placed news stories, especially in heated political climates. However, let's pivot for a moment and explore an alternative perspective: Could it be possible that, in expressing such staunch resistance and labeling these reports as 'fake news,' you might inadvertently be exhibiting the exact response anticipated, and arguably sought, by political strategists?

It’s essential to acknowledge that both Democrats and Republicans, or any political entities for that matter, might engage in manipulating narratives to evoke particular emotional responses from their audiences. This is not to undermine your perspective but to propose a mindful examination of how passionately partisan perspectives might actually be nurtured by the very mechanisms we seek to criticize.

Our political landscapes are rife with instances where emotional triggers—be it fear, outrage, or solidarity—are employed across the board to garner support or direct attention. Thus, stepping back and questioning not just the opposing but our own aligned narratives as well ensures we are not unconsciously adhering to a predefined script written by those with specific political agendas.

Moving forward, perhaps it is through fostering an atmosphere of skepticism towards all political narratives and a consistent demand for verifiable truth that we might navigate through the labyrinthine paths of politicized messaging. In this, unity in demanding accountability and transparency from all our leaders, regardless of political allegiance, becomes not only relevant but fundamentally crucial.

Fair enough. Let me add that we are inundated with stories about Trump from anonymous or unverifiable sources. The media and federal government seem to have no scruples in their effort to smear Trump. Trump has not been afraid to engage with the media and has been often recorded answering tough questions while Joe and his handlers make an effort to avoid or deflect. The American people have been through major anti-Trump hoaxes, a number of which were coordinated with government agencies and social media. I am a huge advocate of transparency and accountability.

 

[JeffP]

Fair enough. Let me add that we are inundated with stories about Trump from anonymous or unverifiable sources. The media and federal government seem to have no scruples in their effort to smear Trump. Trump has not been afraid to engage with the media and has been often recorded answering tough questions while Joe and his handlers make an effort to avoid or deflect. The American people have been through major anti-Trump hoaxes, a number of which were coordinated with government agencies and social media. I am a huge advocate of transparency and accountability.

Absolutely agree that we should all be cautious and scrutinize the political messages we receive, no matter the source. Interestingly, Biden supporters likely feel similarly to how you do, believing deeply in the narratives presented by their side. It's crucial to remember that every political side has its own stories and ways of framing events that align with particular agendas.

So, whether it’s information that supports our beliefs or challenges them, a healthy dose of skepticism and critical evaluation is key. This ensures our decisions and discussions are not just echoes of our existing beliefs but are informed, critically thought out, and authentically our own. In recognizing the similarities in our experiences and frustrations with political narratives, perhaps there’s a bridge to better understanding and collaboration among those of differing political affiliations.

And here's a crucial point: we must demand transparency and truthfulness from our leaders, especially those we typically align with. The real power to shape a politician's behavior comes from the demands of their base supporters. If we pivot from merely digesting prepared narratives to demanding factual and transparent communication, we can commence the essential work of mending the divisions within our country. This, paired with empathetic engagements and an authentic attempt to understand ‘the other side’, could herald a new era in our political discourse. If we don't take these steps, and merely echo the provided talking points and rhetoric, we risk perpetuating a cycle of division and animosity.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump Says He Was Just ‘Promoting’ American Military Equipment Amid Reports That He Shared Submarine Secrets​

 

[Pommer]

Trump Says He Was Just ‘Promoting’ American Military Equipment Amid Reports That He Shared Submarine Secrets​

Oh!? It was only a capitalist doing capitalism?
Totally different!

 

[FreeinChrist]

Trump Said to Have Revealed Nuclear Submarine Secrets to Australian Businessman

Soon after leaving office, the former president shared sensitive information about American submarines with a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago, according to people familiar with the matter.

www.nytimes.com

The businessman, Anthony Pratt, a billionaire member of Mar-a-Lago who runs one of the world’s largest cardboard companies, went on to share the sensitive details about the submarines with several others, the people said. Mr. Trump’s disclosures, they said, potentially endangered the U.S. nuclear fleet.​

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Federal prosecutors working for the special counsel, Jack Smith, learned about Mr. Trump’s disclosures of the secrets to Mr. Pratt, which were first revealed by ABC News, and interviewed him as part of their investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, the people said.​

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According to another person familiar with the matter, Mr. Pratt is now among more than 80 people whom prosecutors have identified as possible witnesses who could testify against Mr. Trump at the classified documents trial, which is scheduled to start in May in Federal District Court in Fort Pierce, Fla.​

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What is the phrase from WWII? 'Loose lips sink ships'

 

[FreeinChrist]

Pratt recounted that he told Trump during their conversation that Australia should buy submarines from the U.S., and an excited Trump "leaning" toward Pratt as if to be discreet, told him two pieces of information about American submarines, ABC reported, citing the anonymous sources.

Trump allegedly revealed sensitive info about nuclear submarines, according to reports

Trump shared the number of warheads that U.S. submarines typically carry and how close they can get to Russian submarines without being detected, sources told ABC News and The New York Times about Pratt's account to investigators.

www.nbcnews.com

You're going to hear more and more fake news, like never before, in order to distract away from Joe (Joe just reversed course on a border wall) and to smear President Trump. Elitists are furious at people who don't automatically vote for Democrats. If they can get away with electing Joe, when Joe has created so many disasters, they can get away with anything.

I think you are calling it 'fake news' because it goes against your chosen view. Let the facts come out.

 

[Pommer]

You're going to hear more and more fake news, like never before, in order to distract away from Joe (Joe just reversed course on a border wall) and to smear President Trump.

Maybe it’s just that President Trump (allegedly) broke laws, after he was no longer an incumbent President?

 

[Valletta]

I think you are calling it 'fake news' because it goes against your chosen view. Let the facts come out.

Absolutely let the facts come out. But at some point you have to ask the question, "How many times has the establishment conned me about Trump?" Whether it be the administration or alphabet agencies or social media or the big media.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The establishment has not conned us about Trump - he got past those two impeachments because the Republicans stuck to a party vote.
The Russians did interfere with the 2016 election to defeat Hillary Clinton - Republican led committees decided that was the case. The Russians hacked the DNC back in 2016, not the RNC.
And Mueller's investigation was limited and Mueller himself said it did not exonerate Trump at all and pointed to obstruction.
And yes, Trump did lie to NARA and the FBI about having classified files at Mar-a-lago though he did - and stored them in a bathroom and conspired to hide them .
Trump did say that disgusting thing back in 2015 - 16 about grabbing women by the privates.
Trump was found liable for fraud related to the Trump University , and the Trump Foundation.
The Trump organization was found liable for tax fraud.
And he has already been found to have committed fraud in regards to how he declared the value of his properties for loans.
Trump was found liable for sexual abuse..

Some on the right insist all that is fake news, but it isn't.


If there are witnesses that Trump blab about the nuclear capabilities of US submartines, he should be changed under the espionage rule. No telling what else he has blabbed to whom, or what damage has been done to our national security.

 

[Valletta]

If there are witnesses that Trump blab about the nuclear capabilities of US submartines, he should be changed under the espionage rule. No telling what else he has blabbed to whom, or what damage has been done to our national security.

It's yet another hoax.

 

[FreeinChrist]

It's yet another hoax.

Unfortunately it probably is not, as many other things were not.

 

[Valletta]

Unfortunately it probably is not, as many other things were not.

Actually almost all were hoaxes, I've lost track of the number. Try reading the foreign press, they generally do a much better job than mainstream U.S. media in reporting U.S. news.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Actually almost all were hoaxes, I've lost track of the number. Try reading the foreign press, they generally do a much better job than mainstream U.S. media in reporting U.S. news.

I have read foreign press. Actual press. Trump claims any accusation is a hoax, but as several things have already be judged in court like Trump University, Trump Foundation, current case in NY where fraud was determined and the penalty needs decided, liablity for sexual assault, and the Trump organization tax fraud verdict and fine.

Then regarding the Mueller investigation, he actually prosecuted quite a few connected to Trump.

All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation

The investigation is now complete.

www.vox.com

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation.​

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That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.​

 

[shadowhunter]

POTUS has the power to declas anything he wants by merely sharing it. So it is fake news from the start. "Oh Panic!! Trump did what presidents are allowed to do!"

 

[FreeinChrist]

POTUS has the power to declas anything he wants by merely sharing it. So it is fake news from the start. "Oh Panic!! Trump did what presidents are allowed to do!"

No, actually he cannot. And Trump isn't the president anymore. The article in the OP indicates that Trump allegedly shared the information in April 2021, and he was not president then.
Declassification is a process and there needs to be notification of other departments, espectially when it involves nuclear secrets.

 

[Pommer]

It's yet another hoax.

If the witness accurately describes any portion of what he was shown, it can be deduced that he got that information where he says that he got it: the former President.
I understand wanting to ward off facts with the notion that “they’re just all against Him!”, but come now.

 

[Pommer]

POTUS has the power to declas anything he wants by merely sharing it. So it is fake news from the start. "Oh Panic!! Trump did what presidents are allowed to do!"

Oh when did this allegedly happen?

After he left the White House, former President Donald Trump allegedly shared sensitive information about U.S. nuclear submarines with an Australian billionaire who is a member of his Mar-a-Lago club, according to a pair of reports published on Thursday.

Trump shared the information with Anthony Pratt during an April 2021 conversation at the Palm Beach, Fla., golf club, according to ABC News, which first reported the development, citing sources familiar with the matter.

Ex-Presidents retain their security clearance, but not the power to declassify or “spill-the-beans” to “friends”.

 

[Gene2memE]

It's yet another hoax.

When Trump and/or the most vehement MAGA adherents talks about news being a "hoax" or "fake", I believe they're not actually arguing these things aren't true. It's my opinion that they know these stories are true, or more than likely true.

I think what they're expressing is that these things are intellectually difficult for them to acknowledge or to reconcile with their existing beliefs, or they dislike that they cast the leader of their movement in a negative light.

Therefore they're not actually going to engage with reality as presented. Instead, they're going to argue the 'Party line' (in the 1984 sense) and just lean fully into reality denial. ("The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command").

And so, cognitive dissonance kicks in.

"I believe my side is right and proper and American and patriotic and Christian and upstanding and good. Therefore it wouldn't have done a thing that isn't right, proper, American, patriotic, Christian, upstanding or good. Therefore it can't be correct that my side has done this thing.

This new information is from a biased source, or it's fake, or a hoax, or there's a conspiracy.

After all, you can't trust the media/Democrats/intelligence officials/law enforcement/judicial system/juries/bureaucrats. They're not right, proper, American, patriotic, Christian, upstanding or good."

Actually almost all were hoaxes, I've lost track of the number. Try reading the foreign press, they generally do a much better job than mainstream U.S. media in reporting U.S. news.

Oh, I do. I read foreign press constantly. But, here's the rub - the foreign press are generally even more eager to poke holes in the statements of Trump and explore the parallel universe that MAGA operates within. And, they're better at demanding straight answers too:

Take this ABC Four Corners interview with Sidney Powell:

Sarah Ferguson interviews Sidney Powell

Trusted and independent source of local, national and world news. In-depth analysis, business, sport, weather and more.

www.abc.net.au

Or this Australian journalist (working for Axios, a US news outlet) when he interviewed Donald Trump:

Or these Dutch journalists interviewing Pete Hoekstra (Trump's appointed Ambassador to the Netherlands):

If you limit yourself to US news media with views that are beyond centre right, it's a roundly poor showing: Newsmax, OAN, Epoch Times, Washington Times, Breitbart. That's without getting into 'alternative' media like TheBlaze, Daily Wire, Gateway Pundit, Infowars, Natural News, Townhall and similar.