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Trump: “I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,”

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What power block? Christians don't all vote alike.
White Evangelical Christians. The Moral Majority. And yes, Trump does see it as a power bloc where he shares nothing come that faith.
 
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Trump stated that if he could save 7,000 lives...he might get to heaven.

And the tens of thousands of people that could be saved with U.S. aid (vaccines, food, etc)?

It was under his authority that US AID was shut down as well as funding for other humanitarian efforts around the world.
 
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I am a born-again Christian and do not identify as Republican or Democrat. I believe voting is a personal decision, and everyone should choose what they feel is best for the country or society. Whether someone votes for Trump or Harris, it doesn't matter to me. I really don’t care either way.

In America today, Christianity has become associated with individuals who have divorced and remarried multiple times, display disrespectful behavior, make false statements, and brag their sexual immorality openly. Some Christians appear to accept these behaviors because they support certain policies from this individual.

This thread discusses whether asking for forgiveness from God is important. Seeking God's forgiveness is a fundamental tenet of Christianity, but some defend President Trump to the extent that they support spreading false teachings.

Will an unbeliever who reads this thread, after seeing what’s been said about forgiveness, be open to a Christian asking them to seek God’s forgiveness for salvation? Wouldn’t they want to know the context in which they should ask?

Is it appropriate for Christians who accept multiple marriages and divorce to address the sanctity of marriage? Additionally, is it effective for a pastor to preach about humility, respect, and loving one's enemies while simultaneously praising and defending an individual whose behavior is characterized by name-calling, demagoguery, and frequent dishonesty?

If Christians choose to vote for President Trump or support his policies, that's their decision. However, why do they feel compelled to justify his actions that conflict with Christian principles?

It is possible for Christians to state that they supported President Trump because of certain policies, while acknowledging that his sexual behavior and approach to marriage do not align with Christian values or biblical principles.

Is it possible for Christians to state, "I voted for President Trump because of his policies, though his personal character or the way he treats others does not align with the Christian lifestyle"?

The events taking place today will have a lasting impact beyond President Trump's tenure in politics. Eventually, President Trump will leave the White House and his influence on American politics will diminish. What will remain, however, is the manner in which the majority Christian population supported a leader whose actions often did not align with traditional Christian values. That will be the legacy of this era.

As a Christian, I am concern about that.
i agree with you. My cousin is a very strict Catholic who voted for Trump and doesn’t like his personality but she admires his love for his country.
 
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Last I heard, he was wanting to change the laws so he could run again.
I don’t think that can happen. He’s not supreme.
 
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THANK YOU!

As a Christian, calling Holy Communion a cracker is just uncalled for. But Trump admitted he regularly doesn’t go to Church or ask forgiveness for his sins.

I’ll leave it at that.

And yes, I’m aware you’re an atheist ;)
Did Trump call the Eucharist a cracker?
 
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Did Trump call the Eucharist a cracker?
Yes. But he’s from a Presbyterian/Reformed background. He considers himself a non-denominational Christian and doesn’t go to Church.

He was married to his third wife, a Catholic, in an Episcopalian Church, which believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Neither were Episcopalian, though.

Melania is Catholic, but I have no idea if she regularly attends Mass.

Barron was baptized Episcopalian.

Regardless, for any Christian, calling Holy Communion a “cracker” is inappropriate because it’s a holy sacrament. Period.
 
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I would never say 'then you go up and have your little sip of wine and a cracker'. I was raised as an Anglican and took communion myself. I know what it means to people. I reckon if I did say it then it might well be reported for being flippant if not sacrilegious.
Thanks
 
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Yes. But he’s from a Presbyterian/Reformed background. He considers himself a non-denominational Christian and doesn’t go to Church.

He was married to his third wife, a Catholic, in an Episcopalian Church, which believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Neither were Episcopalian, though.

Melania is Catholic, but I have no idea if she regularly attends Mass.

Barron was baptized Episcopalian.

Regardless, for any Christian, calling Holy Communion a “cracker” is inappropriate because it’s a holy sacrament. Period.
OMGosh! I always think he can’t stoop any lower, then he does. Was this recently? I hadn’t heard this.
 
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Yes. But he’s from a Presbyterian/Reformed background. He considers himself a non-denominational Christian and doesn’t go to Church.

He was married to his third wife, a Catholic, in an Episcopalian Church, which believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Neither were Episcopalian, though.

Melania is Catholic, but I have no idea if she regularly attends Mass.

Barron was baptized Episcopalian.

Regardless, for any Christian, calling Holy Communion a “cracker” is inappropriate because it’s a holy sacrament. Period.
His being Presbyterian/Reformed/NonDenominational is no excuse for saying that.
 
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He’s no spring chicken. He won’t be around forever. We have term limits, after all.
What gets me (among other things) is how he made fun of Biden‘s age and he’s now older than Biden was at the time.
 
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OMGosh! I always think he can’t stoop any lower, then he does. Was this recently? I hadn’t heard this.
It was a while ago
His being Presbyterian/Reformed/NonDenominational is no excuse for saying that.
Agreed
What gets me (among other things) is how he made fun of Biden‘s age and he’s now older than Biden was at the time.
well? They are only a few years apart.

Time marches on
 
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President Trump dialed into “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday morning and revealed his newest and truest motivation for brokering an end to the war in Ukraine: He’s worried he might not get into heaven after he dies.

“I want to try and get to heaven, if possible,” he explained. “I’m hearing I’m not doing well. I am really at the bottom of the totem pole. But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons.”


Poll numbers go down and he has existential dread. It's not that complicated. His "theology", if you want to call it that, is like midcentury civic religion mashed up with the Protestant Worth Ethic on a larger than life scale, where "winning bigly" is the hallmark of the Elect.
 
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And then his NPD gets the better of him as he attempts to take credit for stopping India and Pakistan 'going at it'.
I can't tell if he's delusional or just trolling for a fight and attention.
Either way - it's not Presidential - and the very joke he's making show's he does not understand the basic gospel.

If you want to understand Trump's personality, you have to understand Fred Trump, a man that was an emotionally abusive bigot. You also have to understand the religious environment Trump was raised in was steeped in the teachings of Norman Vincent Peale, a midcentury Protestant pastor who taught that wishful thinking would lead to personal success. Narcissism was assumed in his teachings, and never called out.
 
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Yes. But he’s from a Presbyterian/Reformed background. He considers himself a non-denominational Christian and doesn’t go to Church.

He was married to his third wife, a Catholic, in an Episcopalian Church, which believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

Neither were Episcopalian, though.

Melania is Catholic, but I have no idea if she regularly attends Mass.

Barron was baptized Episcopalian.

Regardless, for any Christian, calling Holy Communion a “cracker” is inappropriate because it’s a holy sacrament. Period.
Wafer: a very thin, light, crisp, sweet cookie or cracker.
 
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