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Fear of the direction that you are heading in is a good first reason to turn. As you become more acquainted with Him, you will find that He is even cooler than that.

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,
And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding." Proverbs 9:10 NKJV

“For 'whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'” Romans 10:13 NKJV

"The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord,
And He delights in his way.
Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down;
For the Lord upholds him with His hand." Psalms 37:23-24 NKJV

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There is a vast difference between true guilt between man and God and the feelings of guilt. The moment one receives Christ as Saviour, true guilt is taken away in that the person is totally acquitted by God and there is no guilt, separation, or punishment for sin any longer.

But a person may have feelings of guilt when viewing their own failures and shortcomings, when God no longer holds them guilty of these things. Guilt feelings can come through a person not knowing where he or she stands with Christ, confusing justification with sanctification, applying Old Testament Law to the New Covenant relationship in Christ, or condemnation and guilt "bombs" thrown on the believer by oppressing demons.

Neil Anderson's The Bondage Breaker (can be uploaded as a pdf file) gives the list of where a born again believer stands with Christ. You need to get that list and read it out before the Lord. You will be amazed at how quickly you will become free from the bondage of guilt feelings.

The Bondage Breaker?

It just so happens that I have a copy of his book. I will read it again. I just forgot what I read. Thank you for the encouragement. It has been forever since I read his book.
 
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The more we become accustomed to daily prayer and the Scriptures, the more we are likely to see things differently in God's light.
Yes, our greatest source of light is the Bible. However, sometimes the Holy Spirit speaks to us in rhemas, or words of knowledge and words of wisdom, that suit our particular needs.
 
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I have been praying and asking God's forgiveness for my sins. I am praying for that true repentance. But my reasons is the fear of God's wrath and punishment. I know I have to turn from my sins in order to receive true forgiveness. And I am planning on seeking his forgiveness until the day that I die. This includes fighting against my sin. I am not talking about continuously in my sin and then asking forgiveness, which I probably should make clear. Sometimes Christians will take what I say wrong.

Many Christians will say that doing it out of fear is not true repentance. I don't understand why God will feel this way. God rescued Israel when they cried out in fear many times when they were captured. Why wouldn't God rescue me when I cry out in fear of his wrath and punishment. I can't make myself do it out of love.

Doesn't repentance come first before you truly love God? And don't people come to God just as they are and God changes them?


* God is a forgiving and Loving Father, we are his children. As a Father God doesn't need to be "coaxed" into loving us.

* We are Loved and forgiven long before we ever seriously think to ask for it.

* We experience forgiveness as we forgive others. Go first and forgive others, then you will experience the conviction that you are forgiven.

* Man might fear a great and terrible God of wrath and punishment in a fictitious hell torture place, but he will only truly Love a good God.

* It is the goodness of God that leads man to sincere repentance.
 
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* God is a forgiving and Loving Father, we are his children. As a Father God doesn't need to be "coaxed" into loving us.

* We are Loved and forgiven long before we ever seriously think to ask for it.

* We experience forgiveness as we forgive others. Go first and forgive others, then you will experience the conviction that you are forgiven.

* Man might fear a great and terrible God of wrath and punishment in a fictitious hell torture place, but he will only truly Love a good God.

* It is the goodness of God that leads man to sincere repentance.
"In a fictitious hell torture place" you say. The same Bible that talks about forgiving others and loving others, also talks about hell. In fact, Messiah spoke of hell more often than he spoke of Heaven. You also seem to be saying, in your last sentence, that people will only love a Lord who does not allow a hell. I love the Almighty, but I know that the Bible makes it clear there is a hell for those who do not love Him and want to be their own gods and make up their own rules, so I fear Him, too.
 
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"In a fictitious hell torture place" you say. The same Bible that talks about forgiving others and loving others, also talks about hell. In fact, Messiah spoke of hell more often than he spoke of Heaven. You also seem to be saying, in your last sentence, that people will only love a Lord who does not allow a hell. I love the Almighty, but I know that the Bible makes it clear there is a hell for those who do not love Him and want to be their own gods and make up their own rules, so I fear Him, too.
People in dysfunctional families claim to love their Father out of fear that he will beat them if they don't. That's not love.

I don't believe that God resurrects people from the dead so that he can torture them for an eternity. That wouldn't be a deity who is good or an example for anyone. I believe that is an outrageous accusation to make against the Father revealed in the life of Jesus. There is either life for those who want it or death for those who reject it.


I don't believe Jesus ever taught the modern concept of Hell. Not everything is accurate in the Bible. God is both good and just.


The Hell concept of torture and burning is an invention of evil men, that's why it makes sense to some humans.
 
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"In a fictitious hell torture place" you say. The same Bible that talks about forgiving others and loving others, also talks about hell. In fact, Messiah spoke of hell more often than he spoke of Heaven. You also seem to be saying, in your last sentence, that people will only love a Lord who does not allow a hell. I love the Almighty, but I know that the Bible makes it clear there is a hell for those who do not love Him and want to be their own gods and make up their own rules, so I fear Him, too.
Colter doesn't believe in nor trust the Father YHWH nor believe in Jesus nor in the real life after this life. He has 'forever' posted about uranista (some ungodly religion, opposed to Jesus entirely, and contrary to all Scripture entirely) He has been exposed and warned many many times, but there is not a rule to stop him , nor to stop others, from posting garbage of the false misleading gospels they believe in.
 
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People in dysfunctional families claim to love their Father out of fear that he will beat them if they don't. That's not love.

I don't believe that God resurrects people from the dead so that he can torture them for an eternity. That wouldn't be a deity who is good or an example for anyone. I believe that is an outrageous accusation to make against the Father revealed in the life of Jesus. There is either life for those who want it or death for those who reject it.


I don't believe Jesus ever taught the modern concept of Hell. Not everything is accurate in the Bible. God is both good and just.


The Hell concept of torture and burning is an invention of evil men, that's why it makes sense to some humans.
You say "I don't believe...I don't believe...." You have the freedom to go by what you believe if you wish. The Bible tells us to be guided by the Word of the Almighty. That's where I care to put my "I believe" in. Lots of people believe this and that. But the Bible is very clear that there is a hell.
In fact, sadly, Messiah said there is demon seed that was sown by the devil, and those people will be burned in the fire in the last days. Nothing could be more clear.

You can say "Well, that doesn't make sense to me, so I think there must be some mistake with the Bible." Again, that's your choice. May the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth. His "I believe" is what counts.
 
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I have been praying and asking God's forgiveness for my sins.

Well, God's forgiveness is found in His Son. If you want God's forgiveness, then trust in His Son as your Saviour and submit to him as your Lord. It's only in Jesus that God's forgiveness is obtained.

I am praying for that true repentance.

What is "true repentance"? It is a conscious, purposeful turning away from a life centered on you to a life centered upon God. It is choosing to forsake your old life of sinful thinking and behaviour for a life of holiness and Spirit-led living.

I know I have to turn from my sins in order to receive true forgiveness. And I am planning on seeking his forgiveness until the day that I die.

Better to let God change you and make you more like Christ so that you aren't always seeking God's forgiveness.

This includes fighting against my sin.

Sin is just a symptom of a deeper problem: Self. What do I mean by Self? I mean that person you are without Christ; that person who is first and foremost occupied with himself; that person who is occupied with serving fleshly impulses and neglects to hold a heavenly, eternal view of life. This Self is where all your sin comes from. If you don't deal with Self, you will never deal properly with your sin. God knows this and so has already dealt with Self. You see, Self can't be improved, it can't be made better. Self is so selfish, so sinful and rebellious toward God, that the only thing that can be done with it is to put it to death. And so, this is exactly what God did at the cross of Calvary. On Christ's cross, He put to death the Self, the "old man," of every person who trusts in Christ as their Saviour and submits to him as their Lord. If this is you, then you died with Christ and in dying with him, you were set free of the source of all your sin which is Self. Paul the apostle explains:


Romans 6:1-7
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.


The only way the reality of your union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection will begin to shape your living is as you begin, in humble submission to God, to reckon it so in the face of temptation.

Romans 6:11-12
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.


This is the biblical way to freedom from sin. Not cold showers, or keeping busy, or gritting your teeth in the face of temptation and resolving not to sin, or whatever. The only way sin will disappear from your life is as you start living in the light of your death to it by your union with Christ on the cross.

Many Christians will say that doing it out of fear is not true repentance. I don't understand why God will feel this way.

Because fear is not God's way of motivating us to right living. Fear is a Self-centered motivation for obedience which is why God rejects it. Obedience out of fear is a self-protective thing, it is a motive that seeks to keep Self safe. But Self has to die (Matthew 16:24-25) if the life of Christ is to be manifested in a believer. Do you see the problem, then, with relying on fear to motivate you to live right? The apostle John explained it this way:

1 John 4:16-19
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.


Only love is strong enough to carry us into the life of submission and death that is necessary to entering into the abundant life God has for us in Christ.

I practiced a martial art for a long time (almost thirty years). I dislocated bones, tore tendons, broke teeth, sweated my brains out, suffered countless bruises, paid money, spent time and I did all of this only because I loved the martial art I was doing. I suffered and sacrificed A LOT and I can tell you that fear would not have kept me going. It was the love and joy of training in the art that caused me to endure all the hardships that I did. Fear could never have motivated as love did. This is true also in our walk with God. Only love can make the sacrifices and suffering of walking with God a joy, only love can fuel sufficiently our resolve to endure in obedience to God.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.


God rescued Israel when they cried out in fear many times when they were captured. Why wouldn't God rescue me when I cry out in fear of his wrath and punishment. I can't make myself do it out of love.

Fear has a place in bringing us to God. But you misunderstand the Gospel and the character of God if you continue to hold onto fear in your walk with Him. God will rescue you and that should cause you to love Him, and love Him dearly, not fear Him. When you truly understand the love God has for you, you won't have to make yourself love Him; you will love Him quite naturally.

People who struggle with fear and anxiety get used to doing so and can have serious difficulty operating apart from these things. As unpleasant as fear and anxiety are, they can become familiar, the norm of living, and difficult to set aside as a result. But God is greater than all our fear. If you can't shake free of the grip of fear, ask God to do for you what you can't do for yourself.

Doesn't repentance come first before you truly love God?

Why repent if not out of love for God? See above.

And don't people come to God just as they are and God changes them?

Yes, they do and He does. We may come to Him fearful and selfish but He won't leave us this way. He will - if we let Him - transform us into the likeness of His Son.
 
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I have been praying and asking God's forgiveness for my sins. I am praying for that true repentance. But my reasons is the fear of God's wrath and punishment. I know I have to turn from my sins in order to receive true forgiveness. And I am planning on seeking his forgiveness until the day that I die. This includes fighting against my sin. I am not talking about continuously in my sin and then asking forgiveness, which I probably should make clear. Sometimes Christians will take what I say wrong.

Many Christians will say that doing it out of fear is not true repentance. I don't understand why God will feel this way. God rescued Israel when they cried out in fear many times when they were captured. Why wouldn't God rescue me when I cry out in fear of his wrath and punishment. I can't make myself do it out of love.

Doesn't repentance come first before you truly love God? And don't people come to God just as they are and God changes them?

The bible says "the fear of the LORD is pure converting the soul". The fear of the LORD helps us to be sensible around our behaviours. You will find that once sin is overcome that you will experience a greater understanding of the love of God. The love of God is always there, but if we need a kick up the bum we may feel a "Godly fear, or Godly sorrow". However some fears, or worries around salvation are purely of Satan to give us a hard time. The bible tells us "God is faithful to complete the work he has begun in us", God will keep working with us and not give up on us, be it through a knowledge of the need to respect God, or a knowledge of His deep love for us.
 
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Ok.. your a CHILD of God. And there is NO FEAR in God. To many look at MANS fear and then apply that to GOD. As in the FEAR of God. Its not mans kind of fear. And the WORD OT NT makes it VERY clear the Children of GOD will NEVER EVER see His wrath. And.. Christ died already. What punishment are you thinking about? What SIN can you do today that Christ NEVER knew about or died for?

The enemy comes to kill steal and destroy. The punishment is over.. HE DIED ALREADY. What sin do you think you can do today that a GOD never foresaw? And Christ.. will not judge you.. nor condemn you. There is NOW no condemnation to them IN Christ Jesus. Just repent.. He is FAITHFUL no matter how we FEEL ..He WILL keep His word. We confess and HE will forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

THINK.. He cant lie.. And ALL GOOD things come from Him. He NEVER talks doubt free worry ..ANYTHING like that NEVER comes from God. So.. ANY kind of FEAR is NOT of God. We can BOLDLY come before Him.. He sees you right now PURE HOLY SINLESS! This is NOT based on what some MAN says on this world. Christ died.. and God sees you through what His son did. And God is FAITHFUL to His son.. what His son did. NOT based on if we sin or if we NEVER sin. We have NO RIGHT To sin.. but when we goofup

get up dust off ask Him to forgive you.. do a 180 and FORGIVE YOUR SELF.. and KEEP YOUR MIND on Him and He will WILL keep you in perfect peace. HIS JOY. is YOUR strength. We are in the flesh.. love to sin.. and we do not can not EVER do anything to deserve what HE did for the world. Get over it.. give HIM all the glory.. and just do the best you can. This is our FREE CHOICE. Many hold on to this burden that HE already took. He loved died while we WERE sinners...yet He died.. so we keep slapping Him in the face with the sin He already died for. NOT talking willingly sinning... forgiven none the less.. a path I would NOT walk
 
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Well, God's forgiveness is found in His Son. If you want God's forgiveness, then trust in His Son as your Saviour and submit to him as your Lord. It's only in Jesus that God's forgiveness is obtained.



What is "true repentance"? It is a conscious, purposeful turning away from a life centered on you to a life centered upon God. It is choosing to forsake your old life of sinful thinking and behaviour for a life of holiness and Spirit-led living.



Better to let God change you and make you more like Christ so that you aren't always seeking God's forgiveness.



Sin is just a symptom of a deeper problem: Self. What do I mean by Self? I mean that person you are without Christ; that person who is first and foremost occupied with himself; that person who is occupied with serving fleshly impulses and neglects to hold a heavenly, eternal view of life. This Self is where all your sin comes from. If you don't deal with Self, you will never deal properly with your sin. God knows this and so has already dealt with Self. You see, Self can't be improved, it can't be made better. Self is so selfish, so sinful and rebellious toward God, that the only thing that can be done with it is to put it to death. And so, this is exactly what God did at the cross of Calvary. On Christ's cross, He put to death the Self, the "old man," of every person who trusts in Christ as their Saviour and submits to him as their Lord. If this is you, then you died with Christ and in dying with him, you were set free of the source of all your sin which is Self. Paul the apostle explains:


Romans 6:1-7
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.


The only way the reality of your union with Christ in his death, burial and resurrection will begin to shape your living is as you begin, in humble submission to God, to reckon it so in the face of temptation.

Romans 6:11-12
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.


This is the biblical way to freedom from sin. Not cold showers, or keeping busy, or gritting your teeth in the face of temptation and resolving not to sin, or whatever. The only way sin will disappear from your life is as you start living in the light of your death to it by your union with Christ on the cross.



Because fear is not God's way of motivating us to right living. Fear is a Self-centered motivation for obedience which is why God rejects it. Obedience out of fear is a self-protective thing, it is a motive that seeks to keep Self safe. But Self has to die (Matthew 16:24-25) if the life of Christ is to be manifested in a believer. Do you see the problem, then, with relying on fear to motivate you to live right? The apostle John explained it this way:

1 John 4:16-19
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.


Only love is strong enough to carry us into the life of submission and death that is necessary to entering into the abundant life God has for us in Christ.

I practiced a martial art for a long time (almost thirty years). I dislocated bones, tore tendons, broke teeth, sweated my brains out, suffered countless bruises, paid money, spent time and I did all of this only because I loved the martial art I was doing. I suffered and sacrificed A LOT and I can tell you that fear would not have kept me going. It was the love and joy of training in the art that caused me to endure all the hardships that I did. Fear could never have motivated as love did. This is true also in our walk with God. Only love can make the sacrifices and suffering of walking with God a joy, only love can fuel sufficiently our resolve to endure in obedience to God.

1 Corinthians 13:1-3
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.




Fear has a place in bringing us to God. But you misunderstand the Gospel and the character of God if you continue to hold onto fear in your walk with Him. God will rescue you and that should cause you to love Him, and love Him dearly, not fear Him. When you truly understand the love God has for you, you won't have to make yourself love Him; you will love Him quite naturally.

People who struggle with fear and anxiety get used to doing so and can have serious difficulty operating apart from these things. As unpleasant as fear and anxiety are, they can become familiar, the norm of living, and difficult to set aside as a result. But God is greater than all our fear. If you can't shake free of the grip of fear, ask God to do for you what you can't do for yourself.



Why repent if not out of love for God? See above.



Yes, they do and He does. We may come to Him fearful and selfish but He won't leave us this way. He will - if we let Him - transform us into the likeness of His Son.

Sorry it took me so long to respond.

You answered my question quite well. Thank you @aiki.

I understand now what you are saying.
 
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Ok.. your a CHILD of God. And there is NO FEAR in God. To many look at MANS fear and then apply that to GOD. As in the FEAR of God. Its not mans kind of fear. And the WORD OT NT makes it VERY clear the Children of GOD will NEVER EVER see His wrath. And.. Christ died already. What punishment are you thinking about? What SIN can you do today that Christ NEVER knew about or died for?

The enemy comes to kill steal and destroy. The punishment is over.. HE DIED ALREADY. What sin do you think you can do today that a GOD never foresaw? And Christ.. will not judge you.. nor condemn you. There is NOW no condemnation to them IN Christ Jesus. Just repent.. He is FAITHFUL no matter how we FEEL ..He WILL keep His word. We confess and HE will forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

THINK.. He cant lie.. And ALL GOOD things come from Him. He NEVER talks doubt free worry ..ANYTHING like that NEVER comes from God. So.. ANY kind of FEAR is NOT of God. We can BOLDLY come before Him.. He sees you right now PURE HOLY SINLESS! This is NOT based on what some MAN says on this world. Christ died.. and God sees you through what His son did. And God is FAITHFUL to His son.. what His son did. NOT based on if we sin or if we NEVER sin. We have NO RIGHT To sin.. but when we goofup

get up dust off ask Him to forgive you.. do a 180 and FORGIVE YOUR SELF.. and KEEP YOUR MIND on Him and He will WILL keep you in perfect peace. HIS JOY. is YOUR strength. We are in the flesh.. love to sin.. and we do not can not EVER do anything to deserve what HE did for the world. Get over it.. give HIM all the glory.. and just do the best you can. This is our FREE CHOICE. Many hold on to this burden that HE already took. He loved died while we WERE sinners...yet He died.. so we keep slapping Him in the face with the sin He already died for. NOT talking willingly sinning... forgiven none the less.. a path I would NOT walk

Thank you very much @Blade. Sorry it took a long time to respond.
 
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The bible says "the fear of the LORD is pure converting the soul". The fear of the LORD helps us to be sensible around our behaviours. You will find that once sin is overcome that you will experience a greater understanding of the love of God. The love of God is always there, but if we need a kick up the bum we may feel a "Godly fear, or Godly sorrow". However some fears, or worries around salvation are purely of Satan to give us a hard time. The bible tells us "God is faithful to complete the work he has begun in us", God will keep working with us and not give up on us, be it through a knowledge of the need to respect God, or a knowledge of His deep love for us.

Thank you very much.
 
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* God is a forgiving and Loving Father, we are his children. As a Father God doesn't need to be "coaxed" into loving us.

* We are Loved and forgiven long before we ever seriously think to ask for it.

* We experience forgiveness as we forgive others. Go first and forgive others, then you will experience the conviction that you are forgiven.

* Man might fear a great and terrible God of wrath and punishment in a fictitious hell torture place, but he will only truly Love a good God.

* It is the goodness of God that leads man to sincere repentance.

This is quite helpful. I do have some unforgiveness in my heart.
 
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I have been praying and asking God's forgiveness for my sins. I am praying for that true repentance. But my reasons is the fear of God's wrath and punishment. I know I have to turn from my sins in order to receive true forgiveness. And I am planning on seeking his forgiveness until the day that I die. This includes fighting against my sin. I am not talking about continuously in my sin and then asking forgiveness, which I probably should make clear. Sometimes Christians will take what I say wrong.

Many Christians will say that doing it out of fear is not true repentance. I don't understand why God will feel this way. God rescued Israel when they cried out in fear many times when they were captured. Why wouldn't God rescue me when I cry out in fear of his wrath and punishment. I can't make myself do it out of love.

Doesn't repentance come first before you truly love God? And don't people come to God just as they are and God changes them?

It's a combination of both. It's not all you, or all G-d. I think theologians call it the 'divine cooperative'. Regardless of whatever label they put on it, you have to do your part, and pray for G-d's hand in it.
 
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It's a combination of both. It's not all you, or all G-d. I think theologians call it the 'divine cooperative'. Regardless of whatever label they put on it, you have to do your part, and pray for G-d's hand in it.

This was helpful. Thank you
 
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