True Repentance

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is the most uninformed statement I think I've ever come across on this forum.

Actually, then, show me anyone in Scripture who was acquitted of their sin/ transgression because they could not turn from it.

I don't think you can find anyone in Scripture that was forgiven because they cound not turn from their sin.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Actually, then, show me anyone in Scripture who was acquitted of their sin/ transgression because they could not turn from it.

I don't think you can find anyone in Scripture that was forgiven because they cound not turn from their sin.

Are you still under Masaic law, you do realize there is a new covenant of grace when Christ was crucified and risen, yes?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you still under Masaic law, you do realize there is a new covenant of grace when Christ was crucified and risen, yes?

After you answer my request, I'll answer yours.

 

[JustAsIam77]

What is your question?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Actually, then, show me anyone in Scripture who was acquitted of their sin/ transgression because they could not turn from it.

I don't think you can find anyone in Scripture that was forgiven because they cound not turn from their sin.

 

[JustAsIam77]

Abraham

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Abraham

What sin was there , ever , in Scripture, that Abraham did that he could not turn to Yahweh for healing / forgiveness ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

What sin was there , ever , in Scripture, that Abraham did that he could not turn to Yahweh for healing / forgiveness ?

You evade any sin that someone in scripture did by saying they could turn to God for healing/forgiveness, strawman. Do you believe we are still under Mosaic Law or under grace, everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You evade any sin that someone in scripture did by saying they could turn to God for healing/forgiveness, strawman.

Don't you mean there is no instance you know of. Is that your straw ?

Judas could not turn to God for forgiveness - his sin was unforgivable.

Esau sought repentance with tears, and could not repent - it was not an option for him.

There's more examples also, either in Scripture or described by Scripture.

So see? Who avoided the question ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

Don't you mean there is no instance you know of. Is that your straw ?

Judas could not turn to God for forgiveness - his sin was unforgivable.

Esau sought repentance with tears, and could not repent - it was not an option for him.

There's more examples also, either in Scripture or described by Scripture.

So see? Who avoided the question ?

Getting late, I answered your question now please answer mine, do you believe salvation is by works or grace, simple question.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Getting late, I answered your question now please answer mine, do you believe salvation is by works or grace, simple question.

Grace.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

But no, you still provided nothing satisfying my request - you avoided it so far. IF Abraham could not turn to Yahweh, when was that ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

But no, you still provided nothing satisfying my request - you avoided it so far. IF Abraham could not turn to Yahweh, when was that ?

I have no idea what you're talking about, Abraham was a sinner as are we, he was saved by faith alone.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have no idea what you're talking about, Abraham was a sinner as are we, he was saved by faith alone.

I guarantee you that Abraham was faithful to Yahweh, not like ... well....

He listened to Yahweh, when Yahweh called Him.

I claim that it's impossible to turn from sin, am I wrong?

I don't know yet if you are wrong or not.

If Yahweh or Jesus calls you, can you listen ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

I guarantee you that Abraham was faithful to Yahweh, not like ... well....

He listened to Yahweh, when Yahweh called Him.


I don't know yet if you are wrong or not.

If Yahweh or Jesus calls you, can you listen ?[/QUOTE
I've been saved since 1968, you want to preach to me about Jesus calling me? Give me a break.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"I've been saved since 1968, you want to preach to me about Jesus calling me? Give me a break."

I'm not preaching at all to you , and I did not ask if you were saved.

You still did not answer the question.

Instead of if, since as you say you are already saved,

then "when " Yahweh or Jesus called you, did you listen ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

I'm not preaching at all to you , and I did not ask if you were saved.

You still did not answer the question.

Instead of if, since as you say you are already saved,

then "when " Yahweh or Jesus called you, did you listen ?

You are questioning my salvation although you are very clever the way you phrase it, are you a Calvinist? I've been around these boards for around 15 yrs and you're really good at pushing my buttons. You should visit the Soteriology forum, there's lots of debate there but I tired of it a few years ago.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You are questioning my salvation although you are very clever the way you phrase it, are you a Calvinist? I've been around these boards for around 15 yrs and you're really good at pushing my buttons. You should visit the Soteriology forum, there's lots of debate there but I tired of it a few years ago.

I never once thought of your salvation until YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
Why ask if I am a Calvinist ? --- I thought that's what you are ?
Is it not possible , in your school/doctrines, for you to listen to Yahweh or to Jesus if they called you ? Does your own theology forbid that or rule it out ?

 

[JustAsIam77]

I never once thought of your salvation until YOU BROUGHT IT UP.
Why ask if I am a Calvinist ? --- I thought that's what you are ?
Is it not possible , in your school/doctrines, for you to listen to Yahweh or to Jesus if they called you ? Does your own theology forbid that or rule it out ?

I'm done. I wish you well but will never reply to you again.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Oh my, doing a bit of reading this subject began to itch at my brain. The more thoughts that came to me the more I realized a great deal can be written on this subject. A couple of thoughts that came to mind is what repentance is and what it is not. Sometimes it's helpful to consider what something is not.

Repentance is not salvation, it is either a component of or a result of salvation, or both. Repentance is not regeneration, it is not the cause of regeneration, rather regeneration leads to repentance. Repentance is not justification, it is not the foundation for justification, faith in Christ is the foundation for justification. Repentance is not many components of salvation...election, calling, glorification, etc.

However I think it falls under sanctification, and unlike other components of salvation, is not a one time event. Most importantly concerning sanctification and repentance is that although there is the command and duty, at the same time true repentance is chiefly a work brought about by God the Holy Spirit, and is so closely intertwined with faith, we may become confused about the connection to where there does not seem to be much difference between repentance and justification, but there is. Justification is the work of God alone, faith in Christ is a gift not graciously mercifully given to all. Repentance though given by God, involves the response of man, and therefore is a synergistic work, it involves God and man working in unity. Another difference is justification is a one time event, where repentance is in this life a recurring event (much could be said on this aspect alone). A couple a thoughts on why it is recurring, because we are not immutable and it is a constant reminder of our dependence on God. As Christ said; without me you can do nothing, and by this nothing truly spiritually pleasing to God the Father.

Anyway, it's getting late and just wanted to share a few thoughts, maybe get this conversation back on track.