True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[Bible Highlighter]

I gave you good advice Jason, it is up to you if you accept it

And I don't accept it because I think your advice is sound or good.

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[stuart lawrence]

And there is such a thing called bad advice.

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OK, then ignore it

 

[stuart lawrence]

And I don't accept it because I think it is bad advice.

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I have nothing against house churches as such, however, there could be a danger if no one there has good grounding in the salvation justification process. I don't believe anyone has to go to theological college to learn spiritual truth, but on the other hand, a meeting of people without sound leadership of knowledge can be disasterous

 

[Bible Highlighter]

OK, then ignore it

I will. The Word of God is what is what I will respond to. If you have a real world example you would like to make, a short 2-3 sentence should suffice for me to respond to it.

Please take note that personal testimonies are not really the same thing always as a real world example. A real world example would be a universal truth expressed by a real world example that all people could agree with. Jesus made real world examples (parables) to express a truth. Even the Canaanite woman was able to expound upon a parable that Jesus said, too.


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[stuart lawrence]

Yes, Paul is speaking about the Old Testament Law of Moses as an Israelite here. He said when the Commandment came (i.e. the Law of Moses) sin revived and I died. For the knowledge of sin is the Law. But does that mean there was no Law or no sin before the Law of Moses? No. It is talking about how the law was codified and or written down. The Law was added because of transgressions. Paul is not speaking here as a Christian as you will admit. So this passage does not really help you.


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Paul is speaking of a moral law. Thou shalt not covet!

 

[stuart lawrence]

I will. The Word of God is what is what I will respond to. If you have a real world example you would like to make, a short 2-3 sentence should suffice for me to respond to it.

Please take note that personal testimonies are not really the same thing always as a real world example. A real world example would be a universal truth expressed by a real world example that all people could agree with. Jesus made real world examples (parables) to express a truth. Even the Canaanite woman was able to expound upon a parable that Jesus said, too.


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If you really wanted to understand the truth of the word of God you should read the chapter I put up, it explains it!

 

[stuart lawrence]

I admit I wrote the book. A Christian woman edited it. She told me it was one of the few books she had read in twelve years of editing Christian books with a strong message biblically based.
I sent the book to two men in the USA. One had a degree in religion, the other had been a minister for over twenty years and studied much. I asked them to tell me in their opinion if I was faithful to scripture in the book. They both said the book was faithful to scripture and I should consider publication.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Paul is speaking of a moral law. Thou shalt not covet!

Paul is addressing the problem of circumcision in the book of Romans and Galatians. Those who convinced certain Christians that circumcision is necessary for salvation believe that strict adherance to the Law of Moses alone was what was needed for salvation (with no salvation in God or Christ). He is talking about his struggle under the Law of Moses. He mentions the good within the Law such as not coveting and points out that the Law is Holy and good (i.e.. it serves a purpose). But no one can keep the Law alone for salvation. Jesus Christ is the solution and the answer. Paul is not saying the Law of not coveting or the moral law is the problem. His view of salvation without Christ is the problem. For by Christ he will be able to keep the moral law such as not coveting.


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[Bible Highlighter]

I admit I wrote the book. A Christian woman edited it. She told me it was one of the few books she had read in twelve years of editing Christian books with a strong message biblically based.
I sent the book to two men in the USA. One had a degree in religion, the other had been a minister for over twenty years and studied much. They both said the book was faithful to scripture and I should consider publication.

I am not impressed if you wrote the book and if it got published. I would not even care if the book was admired by millions even. Your book is not the standard of truth. God's Word is the standard. For many are called and few are chosen. Oh, and was the guy in your story even real? If so, is he still walking perfectly? If so, then how long has he been free from sin's grip by your belief?


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[stuart lawrence]

Paul is addressing the problem of circumcision in the book of Romans and Galatians. Those who convinced certain Christians that circumcision is necessary for salvation believe that strict adherance to the Law of Moses alone was what was needed for salvation (with no salvation in God or Christ). He is talking about his struggle under the Law of Moses. He mentions the good within the Law such as coveting and points out that the Law is Holy and good (i.e.. it serves a purpose). But no one can keep the Law alone for salvation. Jesus Christ is the solution and the answer. Paul is not saying the Law of coveting or the moral law is the problem. His view of salvation without Christ is the problem. For by Christ he will be able to keep the moral law such as coveting.


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What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.(one of the ten commandments)
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8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul is addressing the problem of circumcision in the book of Romans and Galatians. Those who convinced certain Christians that circumcision is necessary for salvation believe that strict adherance to the Law of Moses alone was what was needed for salvation (with no salvation in God or Christ). He is talking about his struggle under the Law of Moses. He mentions the good within the Law such as coveting and points out that the Law is Holy and good (i.e.. it serves a purpose). But no one can keep the Law alone for salvation. Jesus Christ is the solution and the answer. Paul is not saying the Law of coveting or the moral law is the problem. His view of salvation without Christ is the problem. For by Christ he will be able to keep the moral law such as coveting.


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Paul had no problem obeying the legalistic law, only the moral law

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not impressed if you wrote the book and if it got published. I would not even care if the book was admired by millions even. Your book is not the standard of truth. God's Word is the standard. For many are called and few are chosen. Oh, and was the guy in your story even real? If so, is he still walking perfectly? If so, then how long has he been free from sin's grip by your belief?


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And what is the standard of truth? A truly born again Christian who loves God with all their heart will sin to their hearts content if they believe the penalty for sin has been removed from them

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not impressed if you wrote the book and if it got published. I would not even care if the book was admired by millions even. Your book is not the standard of truth. God's Word is the standard. For many are called and few are chosen. Oh, and was the guy in your story even real? If so, is he still walking perfectly? If so, then how long has he been free from sin's grip by your belief?


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Well as you have not read the book you are not in a position to comment on it are you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Anyways, I have to go now Jason, nice chatting to you, hope you find someone else to pass away some time with
God Bless

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.(one of the ten commandments)
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8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

You are simply not getting what I said. Nowhere does Paul state that "not coveting" is the problem. The problem is being justified by the Law of Moses alone for salvation is what is the problem. Paul uses the example of "not coveting" to show his proponents that the Law is good and holy, but by mere obedience to a strict works by salvation program without Christ is not going to work.



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[Bible Highlighter]

Well as you have not read the book you are not in a position to comment on it are you.

If such is a tactic to get me to read your book, I am afraid that is just not going to happen. I guarantee you that nobody under your belief will remain obedient to God. In fact, you said so yourself. You said in Galatians that we are found as sinners (Which means we are not obedient to God).


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[stuart lawrence]

If such is a tactic to get me to read your book, I am afraid that is just not going to happen. I guarantee you that nobody under your belief will remain obedient to God. In fact, you said so yourself. You said in Galatians that we are found as sinners (Which means we are not obedient to God).


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More distortions of the truth. We are evident sinners while this crossing over takes place, if you disagree you disagree with paul

 

[ToBeLoved]

Let's take a deep breath guys.

Breath in - Breath out. Keep it civil.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You are simply not getting what I said. Nowhere does Paul state that "not coveting" is the problem. The problem is being justified by the Law of Moses alone for salvation is what is the problem. Paul uses the example of "not coveting" to show his proponents that the Law is good and holy, but by mere obedience to a strict works by salvation program without Christ is not going to work.


The problem was always the moral law, not the legalistic law, as it is in your life and everyone elses. Ah but you are sinless are you not Jason? So you do not need a saviour each day do you. You have moved beyond such a place
Goodnoght

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You are simply not getting what I said. Nowhere does Paul state that "not coveting" is the problem. The problem is being justified by the Law of Moses alone for salvation is what is the problem. Paul uses the example of "not coveting" to show his proponents that the Law is good and holy, but by mere obedience to a strict works by salvation program without Christ is not going to work.



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In other words, it would sort of like me saying that taking vitamins is good. But if you decided to overdo in taking certain vitamins it actually could lead to you have problems (believe it or not).

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