True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

[stuart lawrence]

Enough, I have answered your question. I will keep asking mine and the moderators will have to stop me, because I will keep asking.

I know why you won't answer.

I will do nothing but repeat my insistence that you answer my question:

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

It won't bother me I you put the question up 100 times. Until you stop running away from properly answering my question yours will not be answered

 

[stuart lawrence]

You see Jason kept refusing to answer questions though I kept answering his. Hecwould send me four or five points at a Tim and i answered them. But when he was asked to explain justufication/sanctification/ the law being placed within you/ born again he refused, kept saying he was busy at the time
I answer questions when mine are answered

 

[JLB777]

To hear some speak makes you wonder how they can believe they have a saviour from sin.
For if Jesus death at Calvary only ended a righteousness of obedience to the mosaic law-not the moral law, how does a Gentile benefit from Christ's death at Calvary? They were never under the mosaic law!

Being justified by faith, and blessed, which blessed is a reference to the Abrahamic Covenant.

That is how the Gentile benefits from The Gospel.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:8

 

[stuart lawrence]

As you and espos not

Being justified by faith, and blessed, which blessed is a reference to the Abrahamic Covenant.

That is how the Gentile benefits from The Gospel.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. Galatians 3:8

H refuse to answer the question i put to you I cannot sadly respond to what you write
When you have a clear understanding ad to what observing the law means in relation to 1john:
3:4 and can state it we can move forward. In other words is observing the law not committing sin

 

[expos4ever]

You have not answered it. The plain truth is you are afraid to do so for you know it will cause you problems.


If we observe the law do we keep the law and therefore not commit sin?

How can that be hard to answer?

Why not look up the word observe in the dictionary if you are struggling with the concept

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

 

[expos4ever]

It won't bother me I you put the question up 100 times. Until you stop running away from properly answering my question yours will not be answered

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

 

[stuart lawrence]

What does Paul mean here?:

6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

I'll tell you as soon as you tell me if observing the law is not committing sin

 

[JLB777]

You evaded answering because you don't understand the spiritual aspect of Paul's gospel.the Hebrew catholic knows it is one whom law, she answered the question. You are just trying to evade answering for you don't understand the covenant. If you did you would answer the question. Paul simply stated in his letters people did not have a righteousness of observing the law, he didn't expand in the statement which law he was talking about. He knew his readers would know what he meant. Clearly you do not know, or are afraid to say

I answered your vague question, and explained my answer.

The sin concerning the law of Moses, was not doing all the law.

The law is not of faith. Galatians 3:12

...anything not from faith is sin. Romans 14:23


JLB

 

[JLB777]

I'll tell you as soon as you tell me if observing the law is not committing sin

Observing as in looking at, but not doing?

Observing what law?


JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

I answered your vague question, and explained my answer.

The sin concerning the law of Moses, was not doing all the law.

The law is not of faith. Galatians 3:12

...anything not from faith is sin. Romans 14:23


JLB

It is interesting to note the two people Thi question had been put to who most attack what I write(apart from Jason) refuse to answer the same simple question. The only reason you both refuse to do so is because you do not understand the new covenant. You think to answer it would be stating a licence to sin. So what are you left to do? DEFLECT!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Observing as in looking at, but not doing?

Observing what law?


JLB

Keep it up! When Paul stated the christian had a righteousness apart from observing the law he didn't elaborate as to which law. Why not? Because he knew hid readers would understand what he meant, the whole law, it came as one whole law just ask the Hebrew catholic.
The more you deflect, the more you show you do not understand the covenant and have therefore no confidence to answer the question

 

[stuart lawrence]

Anyway, I'm off to christian chat, you get answers there to questions put!

 

[JLB777]

Keep it up! When Paul stated the christian had a righteousness apart from observing the law he didn't elaborate as to which law. Why not? Because he knew hid readers would understand what he meant, the whole law, it came as one whole law just ask the Hebrew catholic.
The more you deflect, the more you show you do not understand the covenant and have therefore no confidence to answer the question

That's your excuse for not clarifying something you no nothing about.


The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come.

Just ask Paul.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... Galatians 3:19

The Seed has come, and the law has been abolished in His flesh. Ephesians 2:14-15

But only that which was added, has now been removed.

Abraham obeyed God's laws and commandments by faith, 430 years before the law.


Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.


15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. . Exodus 31:15


By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.


Next question.



JLB

 

[stuart lawrence]

That's your excuse for not clarifying something you no nothing about.


The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come.

Just ask Paul.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... Galatians 3:19

The Seed has come, and the law has been abolished in His flesh. Ephesians 2:14-15

But only that which was added, has now been removed.

Abraham obeyed God's laws and commandments by faith, 430 years before the law.


Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.


15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. . Exodus 31:15


By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.


Next question.



JLB

Deflect, deflect, deflect

 

[EmSw]

Thank you, then do you agree with the following? If you do not please explain why you do not.
If we can reach agreement here I am happy to move forward with you also:


Paul states:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law. Rom 3:20
For we maintain a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law rom 3:28
We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is not justified by observing the law but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified gal2:15&16

Observing the law is not committing sin. Paul states plainly no one will be justified/righteous before God by observing the law, and observing the law is not committing sin. Therefore the Christian has a righteousness/justification before God apart from sin in their life.
Therefore, in that case, is it correct to say, Jesus MUST have died for all your sins at Calvary, past, present and future?

Deuteronomy 6:25
Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.

Hmmm, Moses speaks in opposition to Paul, totally opposite. Maybe Paul should have searched the Old Testament more carefully before making such a statement. Paul said this in Galatians 1 -
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Anything revealed through Jesus does not contradict the truth of His word. Perhaps Paul should have listened and received the truth from the man Moses, and then he would have known the truth according to the truth of Moses revealed.

So now, tell us what you are trying to say. I don't understand your reasoning. According to Moses, for anyone observing the commandments of the law, it will be righteousness for them.

 

[stuart lawrence]

That's your excuse for not clarifying something you no nothing about.


The law of Moses was added to the Abrahamic Covenant, until the Seed should come.

Just ask Paul.

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made... Galatians 3:19

The Seed has come, and the law has been abolished in His flesh. Ephesians 2:14-15

But only that which was added, has now been removed.

Abraham obeyed God's laws and commandments by faith, 430 years before the law.


Observing the law of Moses is a sin, because we are not to murder an innocent person for picking up sticks on the Sabbath when there is no law in effect that commands this action.


15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. . Exodus 31:15


By observing the law of Moses a person would have to obey this law, and since it's obsolete whoever carried out this law would be guilty of murder.


Next question.



JLB

Your where I used to be at 20 years ago!

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS not full stop! Rom 10:4

Had the law written on stone been removed? They came at sanai 430 years after Abraham? No, it got transferred onto human hearts

If Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness, he is the end of a righteousness of obersibg the law/works of the law, for the christian has a righteousness apart from the law(rom3-20-22)

So no, the law is not removed for the christian, but they have no righteousness before God of observing(keeping) it.
If the law did not exist you could not be conscious of your sin, for through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

Tgectruth you are hiding from- and i will put it another way is this
If Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness you cannot be made unrighteous for your imperfections concerning the law(your sin) such a thing is not possible. The only way this can be true is if Jesus died for all your sin at Calvary, past, present and future. I hope you could follow that!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Deuteronomy 6:25
Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.

Hmmm, Moses speaks in opposition to Paul, totally opposite. Maybe Paul should have searched the Old Testament more carefully before making such a statement. Paul said this in Galatians 1 -
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Anything revealed through Jesus does not contradict the truth of His word. Perhaps Paul should have listened and received the truth from the man Moses, and then he would have known the truth according to the truth of Moses revealed.

So now, tell us what you are trying to say. I don't understand your reasoning. According to Moses, for anyone observing the commandments of the law, it will be righteousness for them.

If you are implying Paul taught a false Gospel I hope you are ejected from this website

 

[stuart lawrence]

Deuteronomy 6:25
Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the Lord our God, as He has commanded us.

Hmmm, Moses speaks in opposition to Paul, totally opposite. Maybe Paul should have searched the Old Testament more carefully before making such a statement. Paul said this in Galatians 1 -
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Anything revealed through Jesus does not contradict the truth of His word. Perhaps Paul should have listened and received the truth from the man Moses, and then he would have known the truth according to the truth of Moses revealed.

So now, tell us what you are trying to say. I don't understand your reasoning. According to Moses, for anyone observing the commandments of the law, it will be righteousness for them.

I am afraid you lack true knowledge of this subject. It would be considered their righteousness I they obeyed the law, but of course no one could perfectly obey it and reach the standard to be TRULY righteous before God, hence Davids words:
Do not bring your servant into judgement, for NO ONE living is (truly) righteous before you psalms 143:2

 

[EmSw]

If you are implying Paul taught a false Gospel I hope you are ejected from this website

That's not the love Jesus taught.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul knew the truth you do not know. No one was truly righteous under the law for the pass mark if you like to be truly righteous before God under the law is 100% perfect obedience, no slip ups!