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[AntiCrash]

I used to struggle heap's when I first left Christianity, leaving God was like leaving a partner. I came back numerous time's thinking that each time I'd restore the relationship, but no matter what I did I just became codependent. I never took the time to take care of myself and my needs, thinking that God would primarily take care of me. It took me a good three year's too shake off hell, and another year or two to let go of the feeling that I needed to pray.

I bought Bible's each time I fell back into the belief system, and tore them up each time I walked away. I suffered serious mental illness because of the critical overtone of the Bible, and that took a long time to recover from as well. I see Bible God much like my step father, and that make's sense because he was raised by Greek Orthodox parents. He was nothing but critical of everything I did, while giving me fake love note's all my life.

He thought that applying pain and fear was a genuine way to reach me. And many father's are like Bible God, that's because they've been raised with the religious mentality of that type. But I left that family behind and now I stand on my own two feet.

 

[Neogaia777]

I used to struggle heap's when I first left Christianity, leaving God was like leaving a partner. I came back numerous time's thinking that each time I'd restore the relationship, but no matter what I did I just became codependent. I never took the time to take care of myself and my needs, thinking that God would primarily take care of me. It took me a good three year's too shake off hell, and another year or two to let go of the feeling that I needed to pray.

I bought Bible's each time I fell back into the belief system, and tore them up each time I walked away. I suffered serious mental illness because of the critical overtone of the Bible, and that took a long time to recover from as well. I see Bible God much like my step father, and that make's sense because he was raised by Greek Orthodox parents. He was nothing but critical of everything I did, while giving me fake love note's all my life.

He thought that applying pain and fear was a genuine way to reach me. And many father's are like Bible God, that's because they've been raised with the religious mentality of that type. But I left that family behind and now I stand on my own two feet.

Truth is there is a lot of pain and fear to get and go through in getting down to the truth, that being said, getting to it and getting through it is a way of growing, developing and maturing us, but there is a lot of pain involved, I won't lie to you...

Jesus is supposed to show us what the Bible God is like, by his very self, all he did here, while he was here, the way he was in walking through life, his life, to show us God's life and how he was, ect...

Problem is, a lot of people think the OT God is not that way, But Jesus says he is, but it hard us to see it and him/them (OT God and Jesus) as being the same of alike, when at times, they seem almost like polar opposites... Many people, and I myself, are still working on that one today...

I am sorry about you experiences, but much of that is due to them all having a great lack of understanding as to/how/who God really is... And they are not like God at all, Jesus is like God, or at least he is supposed to be (refer to what I just stated a second ago, above)...

There is also risk at getting down to the truth, I think it does carry a certain risk of people completely loosing their minds or going crazy, but if you want truth, you gotta be willing to take that risk...

Praying for you...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Truth is there is a lot of pain and fear to get and go through in getting down to the truth, that being said, getting to it and getting through it is a way of growing, developing and maturing us, but there is a lot of pain involved, I won't lie to you...

Jesus is supposed to show us what the Bible God is like, by his very self, all he did here, while he was here, the way he was in walking through life, his life, to show us God's life and how he was, ect...

Problem is, a lot of people think the OT God is not that way, But Jesus says he is, but it hard us to see it and him/them (OT God and Jesus) as being the same of alike, when at times, they seem almost like polar opposites... Many people, and I myself, are still working on that one today...

I am sorry about you experiences, but much of that is due to them all having a great lack of understanding as to/how/who God really is... And they are not like God at all, Jesus is like God, or at least he is supposed to be (refer to what I just stated a second ago, above)...

There is also risk at getting down to the truth, I think it does carry a certain risk of people completely loosing their minds or going crazy, but if you want truth, you gotta be willing to take that risk...

Praying for you...

God Bless!

Without discipline, without going through pain, and fear, and guilt, remorse, shame, or regret and/or other trials and tribulations that have to go through that involve "pain", without these things, or if you were to take it all away, every single time, all the time, at it's onset, then you'd be doing them a great disservice, and they would never, ever, grow up or develop or mature, and they would never, ever, come to know the truth, that would then set them free (from all of that) but only afterward...

My guess is you either don't want to hear, or do not want to accept, or reject or refuse the "truth" about yourself and everything else, God, other people, all that, that the Bible is trying to show you... but, if and when you will, or you do, it can save you from a lot of pain later on in life, (set you free) but if not, hey, what can I say...?

I understand why, cause it's very ugly and not very pleasant at all to say the least, but with time, and afterward, and after a little while, it will save you a lot of pain later on, or set you free in time, a lot shorter time than if you refuse and take the longer route, in which case there will be much more pain, than if you accepted just a little bit of pain now...

God Bless!

 

[Tolworth John]

I never took the time to take care of myself and my needs, thinking that God would primarily take care of me.........
I see Bible God much like my step father, and that make's sense because he was raised by Greek Orthodox parents. He was nothing but critical of everything I did, while giving me fake love note's all my life.

I am sorry you see God in such a way, as unloving and uncaring, harsh and ultra critical.

May I ask how do you see Jesus?

 

[PloverWing]

Why did you call your thread "trolling around"? (I have a guess.)

 

[AntiCrash]

Truth is there is a lot of pain and fear to get and go through in getting down to the truth, that being said, getting to it and getting through it is a way of growing, developing and maturing us, but there is a lot of pain involved, I won't lie to you...

Jesus is supposed to show us what the Bible God is like, by his very self, all he did here, while he was here, the way he was in walking through life, his life, to show us God's life and how he was, ect...

Problem is, a lot of people think the OT God is not that way, But Jesus says he is, but it hard us to see it and him/them (OT God and Jesus) as being the same of alike, when at times, they seem almost like polar opposites... Many people, and I myself, are still working on that one today...

I am sorry about you experiences, but much of that is due to them all having a great lack of understanding as to/how/who God really is... And they are not like God at all, Jesus is like God, or at least he is supposed to be (refer to what I just stated a second ago, above)...

There is also risk at getting down to the truth, I think it does carry a certain risk of people completely loosing their minds or going crazy, but if you want truth, you gotta be willing to take that risk...

Praying for you...

God Bless!

A quick question.

Do you think that the idea of a suffering Messiah who is inflicted beyond compare, minimises the suffering of other human beings?

 

[Neogaia777]

A quick question.

Do you think that the idea of a suffering Messiah who is inflicted beyond compare, minimises the suffering of other human beings?

If you mean actually makes the suffering of others less, then, yes I do, but if you mean something else, no, I do not...

God Bless!

 

[AntiCrash]

I am sorry you see God in such a way, as unloving and uncaring, harsh and ultra critical.

May I ask how do you see Jesus?

I doubt anyone can obtain a clear picture of Jesus from the Bible, as they are accounts based on the perspective of other people. I wouldn't want to follow the character of Jesus, the guy couldn't laugh.

 

[AntiCrash]

Why did you call your thread "trolling around"? (I have a guess.)

If I'm going to be called a troll I better wear it well.

 

[AntiCrash]

If you mean actually makes the suffering of others less, then, yes I do, but if you mean something else, no, I do not...

God Bless!

That's my point, how do you empathize with other people if their suffering is marginalized.

 

[Neogaia777]

That's my point, how do you empathize with other people if their suffering is marginalized.

It's not marginalized, maybe you didn't read what I said, I said that what Jesus did basically has, at least the potential to, actually lessen the suffering of others, by our coming/going to him and putting our faith and trust and belief in him...

How does that marginalize the suffering of others or prevent empathy for them in any way...?

Let me put it this way: Does someone who has suffered a lot worse than you, (say in other places in the world) marginalize or minimize your suffering in any way...? Or not...?

Does it make your suffering or what you (or another) have/has suffered any less important or significant to say, a God, who shows no partiality in anything...?

God Bless!

 

[AntiCrash]

It's not marginalized, maybe you didn't read what I said, I said that what Jesus did basically has, at least the potential to, actually lessen the suffering of others, by our coming/going to him and putting our faith and trust and belief in him...

How does that marginalize the suffering of others or prevent empathy for them in any way...?

Let me put it this way: Does someone who has suffered a lot worse than you, (say in other places in the world) marginalize or minimize your suffering in any way...? Or not...?

Does it make your suffering or what you (or another) have/has suffered any less important or significant to say, a God, who shows no partiality in anything...?

God Bless!

Ignorance is bliss they say.

 

[Tolworth John]

I doubt anyone can obtain a clear picture of Jesus from the Bible, as they are accounts based on the perspective of other people. I wouldn't want to follow the character of Jesus, the guy couldn't laugh.

As skeptics often say four contraditory accounts of Jesus. Yet you think, they don't discribe him well enough to form an opinion of him and his character.

Yes there are no reports of him laughing. read the gospels again. What he dealt with and came todo didn't lend its self to laughter.

 

[Serving Zion]

I bought Bible's each time I fell back into the belief system, and tore them up each time I walked away. I suffered serious mental illness because of the critical overtone of the Bible, and that took a long time to recover from as well.

Awww yeah, how sad! .. and infuriating! .. I wish there was some way to undo what has been done, but you know, that isn't the nature of reality. All we have is now and what we make of it, as to what will become.

I'm interested to know which translations they were, if you could tell us? I know there's definitely some translations that are not of a holy spirit: pride, wrath etc in the hearts of the translators, dishonesty, lameness etc that produce hypocrisy and conceal the gritty truths.. I still haven't found a translation that really says what God says all the way through. It is such a difficult time in reality these days, .. and there's all those "lunk-headed Christians" that you just wish would take their proper place so the truth-speakers could have theirs.. but they've all believed things without testing them first and they don't even know that we can see through their intellectual dishonesty..

Do let me know though, if there is anything that you think I can do to help

 

[AntiCrash]

Awww yeah, how sad! .. and infuriating! .. I wish there was some way to undo what has been done, but you know, that isn't the nature of reality. All we have is now and what we make of it, as to what will become.

I'm interested to know which translations they were, if you could tell us? I know there's definitely some translations that are not of a holy spirit: pride, wrath etc in the hearts of the translators, dishonesty, lameness etc that produce hypocrisy and conceal the gritty truths.. I still haven't found a translation that really says what God says all the way through. It is such a difficult time in reality these days, .. and there's all those "lunk-headed Christians" that you just wish would take their proper place so the truth-speakers could have theirs.. but they've all believed things without testing them first and they don't even know that we can see through their intellectual dishonesty..

Do let me know though, if there is anything that you think I can do to help

My most commonly read translations were

1. NIV
2. NLT
3. KJV

 

[AntiCrash]

As skeptics often say four contraditory accounts of Jesus. Yet you think, they don't discribe him well enough to form an opinion of him and his character.

Yes there are no reports of him laughing. read the gospels again. What he dealt with and came todo didn't lend its self to laughter.

Yes, Jesus was reported as a real funny guy.

Whoop's.

It's too early for my brain.

 

[AntiCrash]

 

[Serving Zion]

My most commonly read translations were

1. NIV
2. NLT
3. KJV

Ah yes, thank you for that information. Please keep in mind to distrust the NIV and NLT - they are fraught with compromise and flat-out alterations for their agenda to promote false doctrines.

 

[AntiCrash]

Ah yes, thank you for that information. Please keep in mind to distrust the NIV and NLT - they are fraught with compromise and flat-out alterations for their agenda to promote false doctrines.

Ok then.

 

[Serving Zion]

Ok then.

When you said that you grew weary of the critical overtone of the bible, and you said that your family is the ones who have had the greatest influence on your perception of it, I am thinking there is an opportunity there to recognise the nature of God as He is known by the ones who knew Him well (ie: St. John says "God is love"). But I have also read translations of the bible that do not speak with the same tone as the original writers, that doesn't really carry the same graciousness in the speech - the character that belongs to someone who is speaking without sin. Plus, you've probably had a lot of false doctrines hammered into you, and therefore come to see lots of injustice and unfair judgementalism in the attitudes that you think belong to the Christian faith, that I also hate to see. If you have noticed, I am quite expressive of calling them the antichrist teachings that they are.

So I do have some heart for you after you have said all of this, to want to look at those scriptures that you have read with critical overtones, and see whether I can't see if there is something in your belief of Christianity that is not quite aligned with the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.