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First of all, sorry for the lateness. Been on the couch with the flu and 2 bottles of Nyquil since Saturday
Start a thread and prove it. Never heard it before. Such a belief impinges Grace.
nope
As to the part in bold, I agree.
What do they have to do to meet your expectations?
HOw do you know? Are you using what your church does as the example to judge all other churches? Be careful, if you are.
Not even going to bother checking it out, are you...
Now you're talking just like Stranger.
So is this your final explanation of how everthing that God had to say became flesh?
And you don't implore your reasoning that there is only one possible interpretation of certain scriptures that discount trinity? One of us could be in error, blinded or consumed.
Logical sense is constrained to your reasoning and subjective understanding. This was explicitly shown when I asked you about Jesus revealing Himself; whether it be literal or figurative. Experimentally, for me, it is both.
Again, your subjective experiences are in the way. Your criteria to meet is, God did'nt say trinity. But, GOd did say, The Logos was God. ANd, The Logos became flesh...
Maybe you're a doubting THomas?
To my understanding today, I agree with you. I'm not willing to impinge works against Grace by any means.
I beg to differ somewhat. The scriptures point out that the Logos was GOd. So far, that makes 2 Gods, but we also know that there is only numerically one God. However, trinity is more than a numbers game. Far more.
You're in error. I don't take understanding from fellow trinitarians. Never have.
Really don't mind at all. I once never had a grasp on it either so I understand your position. It may be goofy to you, but again, this is your subjective reasoning at work, not mine.
You really can't take the topic of who God is and translate it into counting blocks. God is much bigger than that. And neither can I take an egg, divide it into shell, yoke and egg white and try to explain trinity to you. It does'nt work, it falls way short of the goalpost.
Are you sure of that? The doctrine of salvation is one of faith. Perhaps you are opened to your error? Or, do you have proof of God that you can prove to me?
Non sensical to you, but makes perfect sense to me. Jesus existed before He existed as a man on earth. Had to have, as John called HIm the Logos who was in the beginning, was with God, and was God.
ANd, the Logos became flesh...
First of all, trinitarians say that you have to BELIEVE trinity to be saved, not comprehend it. Most trinitarians know you cannot understand how 3 is one, though some will claim they do.
Start a thread and prove it. Never heard it before. Such a belief impinges Grace.
it appeared to me that you were saying that to truely believe that Jesus is lord and savior one has to believe in the trinity, and that you eventually found your way there.
nope
I do not believe one is a christian unless he makes Jesus his lord and savior, therefore it appears to me that you contradicted yourself by saying on the one hand trinity isn't necessary for salvation but one eventually has to get there to truely be saved.
As to the part in bold, I agree.
Mine and several churches of several co-workersCan you name one church service that is alive in the spirit?
Name one on TV so I can see it. I've never seen one.
What do they have to do to meet your expectations?
oh it's true God is moving in every chruch service, but not to the extent that God wants. To me they all look like watered down versions of what God wants.
HOw do you know? Are you using what your church does as the example to judge all other churches? Be careful, if you are.
oh brother, splitting hairs . Do you have any point to this philospher stuff or am I to assume it is just some exercise of yours in futility.?
Not even going to bother checking it out, are you...
Uh no, you see here is where we fundamentally differ, I make sense out of scripture you don't. 3 is one and 2 is one is nonsesne not sense.
Now you're talking just like Stranger.
The word (of god) became flesh (Jesus).
The word (of Ralph, who says to a woman :"will you marry me:") became flesh (with the birth of thier first born)
Both sentences should be intepreted the same way. the words of Ralph ultimately culminated in the birth of a son, the words of God ultimately culminated in the birth of his son. same thing.
So is this your final explanation of how everthing that God had to say became flesh?
ONce again you imploy your reasoning that there is only one possible interpretation of certain scriptures you use for trinity. There are nonsense interpretations (yours) and there are interpetations that make sense (mine.) I don't make nonssense interpretations like 3 is one or 2 is one or what god said morphed into felsh. you make those kinds of illogical nonsenseical interpretaions of scripture, not me.
And you don't implore your reasoning that there is only one possible interpretation of certain scriptures that discount trinity? One of us could be in error, blinded or consumed.
I explained how I believe Jesus reveals himself to us, call it what you want.
i determine that something is not literal if it makes no sense when taken literally. you determine that something is literal if it supports trinity, whether it makes any logical sense is irrelevant to you.
Logical sense is constrained to your reasoning and subjective understanding. This was explicitly shown when I asked you about Jesus revealing Himself; whether it be literal or figurative. Experimentally, for me, it is both.
If one can't understand it then how can you say it is true? God didn't say trinity, you do. So I'm suppose to accept trinity which can't be understood cause you say it's true. No way Jose/.
Again, your subjective experiences are in the way. Your criteria to meet is, God did'nt say trinity. But, GOd did say, The Logos was God. ANd, The Logos became flesh...
Not knowing you my assumption would be that it is highly improbable but not impossible, If I knew you better , then I might have a more possitive opinon one way or the other.
Maybe you're a doubting THomas?
No I think you most probably are born again christian and therefore are a christian. Trinity has nothing to do with whetheryou are saved or not the way I see it.
To my understanding today, I agree with you. I'm not willing to impinge works against Grace by any means.
So is yours, you jsut ignore your experiences. you ignore your expereines that tell you 3 is not one, and 2 is not one. I don't.
I beg to differ somewhat. The scriptures point out that the Logos was GOd. So far, that makes 2 Gods, but we also know that there is only numerically one God. However, trinity is more than a numbers game. Far more.
you accept your experiences with fellow trinitarians who tell you 3 is one makes sense, I reject my experiences with trintiarains who say 3 is one makes sense because it plainly and clearly is not.
You're in error. I don't take understanding from fellow trinitarians. Never have.
Can I be blunt on this point? Not trying to offend you but to me saying 3 is one is just plain goofy. Nonsense is not a strong enough word to describe correctly the idea of 3 being one, it comes short where as goofy hits the nail on the head,.
Really don't mind at all. I once never had a grasp on it either so I understand your position. It may be goofy to you, but again, this is your subjective reasoning at work, not mine.
If someone came up to you on the street and asked you how many blocks it is to such and such street, and you say 10 blocks then turn right for 2 blocks. and they guy says :"ok yea 10 is 13 so I go 13 blocks and turn left cause right is left, and go another 5 blocks cause 2 is 5, gottcha." you'd probably think "what a dufus this guy is.": That's how 3 is one appears to me. I'm not calling you a dufus or saying you are goofy. you just don't realize that 3 is one is in the same category or you would reject it if you did.
You really can't take the topic of who God is and translate it into counting blocks. God is much bigger than that. And neither can I take an egg, divide it into shell, yoke and egg white and try to explain trinity to you. It does'nt work, it falls way short of the goalpost.
What God says requires no proof for me as to whether it is true or not. Anyone's doctrine, such as trinity, must be proven to me and must make sense. Trinity fails both tests. I will not accept, nor should I accept, any doctrine on faith. And I don't.
Are you sure of that? The doctrine of salvation is one of faith. Perhaps you are opened to your error? Or, do you have proof of God that you can prove to me?
See that's your interrpretation, not what scripture says. and your interpretation makes no sense. you justify it by claiming that your interpretation is the only possible meaning, But it isn't. there are interpretations, such as mine, that make sense. If you or anyone says something that makes no sense, like Jesus existed before he existed as some fella whose name is word and word changed into a fetus in marys womb and you call that begatting and conceiving., then I ain't gonna believe it cause it is not only nonsencial but is also oh well nevermind.
Non sensical to you, but makes perfect sense to me. Jesus existed before He existed as a man on earth. Had to have, as John called HIm the Logos who was in the beginning, was with God, and was God.
ANd, the Logos became flesh...
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