Tribulation physics

[Jamin4422]

Are you implying that when God commanded people to rest on the 7th day that they have to rest for 1,000 years After all you claim that 1 day is equal to 1,000 days. Really now

Are you ready to understand any of this stuff yet? I think that maybe your just not ready. Your asking for meat but you still can not handle the milk.

 

[Jamin4422]

If he doesn't, I'll say it -- Genesis is a myth.

Genesis is literal truth. That is a part of what makes God so amazing is that we can learn from real life stores of real life people.

BUT and this is a big BUT if you do not believe that Genesis is a Literal truth, and Genesis has been around 3700 years. Then there must be symbolic truth there. You are without excuse. You could only have a excuse if you accept this is an old story about people that lived a long time ago. When you refuse to accept that they story could be literal, then you have painted yourself into a corner and you will be held accountable. The time will come for all who are unsaved and unregenerate to go before the Judgement Throne of God to give an account of themselves and their lives.

 

[Tiberius]

No. You apparently were not as memorable as you thought. Better to just be clear, and say what you mean.

And since I quoted the exact post, I guess that you don't find yourself as memorable as you thought either, if even YOU are forgetting what you said!

Ok. So, I am am assuming a DSP. I don't know.

So lemme get this straight...

You freely admit to not knowing one way or the other, but you still refuse to accept that your DSP might be wrong?

But that being said, I doubt I will ever need to resort to plan B. But even if I did have to resort to plan B it would be more than enough to defeat science.

Hope that helps. You will likely never know what plan B was. Plan A is too wildly successful.

Once again, the only reason you think you;ve won is because you don't understand science enough to know you're beat.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Genesis is literal truth. That is a part of what makes God so amazing is that we can learn from real life stores of real life people.

The part that makes His followers less than amazing is that too many of them learn from nothing but.

BUT and this is a big BUT if you do not believe that Genesis is a Literal truth, and Genesis has been around 3700 years. Then there must be symbolic truth there.

Right -- and a person who can only accept it as literal truth is the last person I would turn to to discuss it.

You are without excuse. You could only have a excuse if you accept this is an old story about people that lived a long time ago. When you refuse to accept that they story could be literal, then you have painted yourself into a corner and you will be held accountable.

I already know the story isn't literal -- You're the one who needs it to be.

The time will come for all who are unsaved and unregenerate to go before the Judgement Throne of God to give an account of themselves and their lives.

An account of myself and my life? or is it really going to come down to one single question: did I believe?

Nothing else would matter, would it?

 

[mzungu]

Genesis is literal truth. That is a part of what makes God so amazing is that we can learn from real life stores of real life people.

BUT and this is a big BUT if you do not believe that Genesis is a Literal truth, and Genesis has been around 3700 years. Then there must be symbolic truth there. You are without excuse. You could only have a excuse if you accept this is an old story about people that lived a long time ago. When you refuse to accept that they story could be literal, then you have painted yourself into a corner and you will be held accountable. The time will come for all who are unsaved and unregenerate to go before the Judgement Throne of God to give an account of themselves and their lives.

God commanded people to rest on the 7th day and not when Jesus returns. So your answer to my question regarding the GAP notion remains unanswered.

If you believe that genesis is literally true then you must also believe on a flat earth and the sun obits the earth.

If you believe that the earth ifs flat then I have nothing more to say to you except enjoy your life to the fullest

 

[dad]

And since I quoted the exact post, I guess that you don't find yourself as memorable as you thought either, if even YOU are forgetting what you said!

You think I focus on people quoting me in a sig?

So lemme get this straight...

You freely admit to not knowing one way or the other, but you still refuse to accept that your DSP might be wrong?

The bible state is right. How would I know exactly the precise differences?

For all I know time might have something to do with it. Remember the time dilation experiments? A low flying airplane had an atomic clock that was a little different than the one on the ground. If we had a time difference in clocks.


The experiment showed a time change according to things like height. If we were to have greater height, I assume greater time change. This change is to the clocks! That means laws. In other words the atoms do what they do like decay on a clock that is relative to the distance from the earth. Extrapolating that, we could have all the clocks in the universe (light travel speed, decay, etc) set to earth and the distance from it!!!!!!!!!??

If so, then the same results in a low flying airplane are expected.

That brings to mind several interesting questions. If clocks are different as we get further away from earth, then what happens when we get 6000 years away in real time!? Could we get more? If the rough estimate fast math I cited earlier was anywhere close, we would have 1 light year...6 trillion miles representing about 34,000 years if I recall!!! To get down to 6000 years then we must divide that by something like 5.6 or 5.7. So if we take the 6 trillion miles representing 34000 years and divide that by 5.7 we have I think about a little over 1 trillion miles representing about 6000 real years time.


Of course all sizes and distances science conceives would be out the window also.

 

[mzungu]

You think I focus on people quoting me in a sig?

The bible state is right. How would I know exactly the precise differences?

For all I know time might have something to do with it. Remember the time dilation experiments? A low flying airplane had an atomic clock that was a little different than the one on the ground. If we had a time difference in clocks.


The experiment showed a time change according to things like height. If we were to have greater height, I assume greater time change. This change is to the clocks! That means laws. In other words the atoms do what they do like decay on a clock that is relative to the distance from the earth. Extrapolating that, we could have all the clocks in the universe (light travel speed, decay, etc) set to earth and the distance from it!!!!!!!!!??

If so, then the same results in a low flying airplane are expected.

That brings to mind several interesting questions. If clocks are different as we get further away from earth, then what happens when we get 6000 years away in real time!? Could we get more? If the rough estimate fast math I cited earlier was anywhere close, we would have 1 light year...6 trillion miles representing about 34,000 years if I recall!!! To get down to 6000 years then we must divide that by something like 5.6 or 5.7. So if we take the 6 trillion miles representing 34000 years and divide that by 5.7 we have I think about a little over 1 trillion miles representing about 6000 real years time.


Of course all sizes and distances science conceives would be out the window also.

 

[dad]

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[Jamin4422]

You're the one who needs it to be.

I do not need anything to be anyway. It is what it is. Science is science, the Bible is Bible and they do not conflict in anyway. They agree with each other and compliment each other.

 

[mzungu]

I take it that you believe you will never die then eh Care to wager on that

 

[dad]

I take it that you believe you will never die then eh Care to wager on that

No chance involved. We have God's word. Come on over to the livin side.

 

[Tiberius]

You think I focus on people quoting me in a sig?

The bible state is right. How would I know exactly the precise differences?

For all I know time might have something to do with it. Remember the time dilation experiments? A low flying airplane had an atomic clock that was a little different than the one on the ground. If we had a time difference in clocks.


The experiment showed a time change according to things like height. If we were to have greater height, I assume greater time change. This change is to the clocks! That means laws. In other words the atoms do what they do like decay on a clock that is relative to the distance from the earth. Extrapolating that, we could have all the clocks in the universe (light travel speed, decay, etc) set to earth and the distance from it!!!!!!!!!??

If so, then the same results in a low flying airplane are expected.

That brings to mind several interesting questions. If clocks are different as we get further away from earth, then what happens when we get 6000 years away in real time!? Could we get more? If the rough estimate fast math I cited earlier was anywhere close, we would have 1 light year...6 trillion miles representing about 34,000 years if I recall!!! To get down to 6000 years then we must divide that by something like 5.6 or 5.7. So if we take the 6 trillion miles representing 34000 years and divide that by 5.7 we have I think about a little over 1 trillion miles representing about 6000 real years time.


Of course all sizes and distances science conceives would be out the window also.

First of all, you start by assuming the Bible is right in order to show that the Bible is right.

Circular logic makes you dizzy.

Secondly, once again you are demonstrating a lack of knowledge about science so severe that you should be terribly embarrassed. Honestly, dad, you are making a fool of yourself with these ludicrous claims.

(Hint for you: The different running of clocks doesn't depend on getting further away from the Earth. It depends on how close you are to a source of gravity. As you go further away from Earth, you are getting closer and closer to other sources of gravity. Your idea MIGHT work if the Earth was the only thing in the universe, but the Earth is not alone, therefore you are wrong.)

 

[mzungu]

No chance involved. We have God's word. Come on over to the livin side.

You cannot be serious; Even Jesus, Moses, and all the prophets died, and also every person who ever lived till today with the exception of the now living has died. Are you implying that you are immortal

DAD you are doing a disservice to your faith when you claim such things! I find this unbelievable to say the least.

 

[Jamin4422]

You cannot be serious; Even Jesus, Moses, and all the prophets died

Yet the disciples saw Jesus talking to Moses on the mount of transfiguration. How can that be? Also Mary saw Jesus alive after he was crucified. How can that be if He is dead? They saw Jesus taken up to Heaven and was very much alive.

Of course you have demonstrated that you do not know what it means to be alive. So I perhaps we should not be surprised by your response.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yet the disciples saw Jesus talking to Moses on the mount of transfiguration. How can that be?

Symbolic -- the image is that of Jesus standing alongside Moses (giver of the Law) and Elijah (greatest of the prophets).

Remembering that early Christianity was a sect of Judaism, it makes perfect sense to send the message that Jesus belongs right alongside the other founding fathers of the Jewish faith.

Also Mary saw Jesus alive after he was crucified. How can that be if He is dead? They saw Jesus taken up to Heaven and was very much alive.

Did she? Some Gospels say she did, others don't. You would think that none of the authors would skip such an important event...

Of course you have demonstrated that you do not know what it means to be alive. So I perhaps we should not be surprised by your response.

And once again, the creationist asserts his superiority over the pathetic heathen -- mission accomplished.

 

[Jamin4422]

First of all, you start by assuming the Bible is right in order to show that the Bible is right.

First you take little baby steps, then as you grow and mature you learn how to walk like a man. Just like Science you have to test and try something before you can determine if it is true or not. What makes you think religion and science are all that much different in that regard> If you accept science without testing it first you could get yourself into a lot of trouble.

 

[TLK Valentine]

First you take little baby steps, then as you grow and mature you learn how to walk like a man. Just like Science you have to test and try something before you can determine if it is true or not. What makes you think religion and science are all that much different in that regard> If you accept science without testing it first you could get yourself into a lot of trouble.

So how much of God have you tested?

 

[Jamin4422]

So how much of God have you tested?

As much as I needed to in order to determine the truth for myself. As they say: It does not matter if you try to prove God or disprove God. If your an honest person you will come to the conclusion that there is a God. The problem is when people do not seek to know if there is or if there is not a God.

 

[Jamin4422]

Did she? Some Gospels say she did, others don't. You would think that none of the authors would skip such an important event...

I am sure that God has a plan and a purpose and that He knows what He is doing. There are topics in the Bible that are only listed a few times. There are other topics like Gods love for us, that you will find thousands of times. So if a theme or topic is repeated up to three thousand times in the Bible, what is your excuse for not believing the message that God has for you? One area I wonder about is the subject of Hell. This is actually mentioned very few times in the Bible. But when the Bible talks about how the ungodly will perish or be destroyed, you will find this at least fifty or sixty times. That is why I am not into hell fire and brimstone so much as I am an annihilationist. No doubt people suffer for their sins. But in the end there will not even be a memory of the unsaved and the ungodly. I do not know for sure what happens to the actual atoms that made them up. But we are told that all memory will be destoryed. Of course this is no news flash for the unsaved. They already believe that this is going to be the end result for them. So according to their faith, then so be it onto them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I am sure that God has a plan and a purpose and that He knows what He is doing. There are topics in the Bible that are only listed a few times. There are other topics like Gods love for us, that you will find thousands of times. So if a theme or topic is repeated up to three thousand times in the Bible, what is your excuse for not believing the message that God has for you?

Nice -- but you're rambling off-topic. Jesus and Mary, remember?

One area I wonder about is the subject of Hell. This is actually mentioned very few times in the Bible. But when the Bible talks about how the ungodly will perish or be destroyed, you will find this at least fifty or sixty times. That is why I am not into hell fire and brimstone so much as I am an annihilationist.

Still rambling... Mary who?

No doubt people suffer for their sins. But in the end there will not even be a memory of the unsaved and the ungodly. I do not know for sure what happens to the actual atoms that made them up. But we are told that all memory will be destoryed.

ramble ramble ramble... Jesus who?

Of course this is no news flash for the unsaved. They already believe that this is going to be the end result for them. So according to their faith, then so be it onto them.

Not even an attempt to follow what we were originally discussing.

Would you be more comfortable if I left and you could keep on talking to... whomever it is you think you're addressing?