Tribulation physics

[Jamin4422]

And the farmers in central America were hebrews too?

Actually this is the first I have heard about farming in America. There were no Hebrews in America. Or if there were, there were VERY few. The Mormons have tried to prove the Hebrews were here because the Book of Mormon requires it. So far if there were any Hebrews here at all, there were very very few of them. I have no doubt when it comes to biodiverse ecosystem there were many more then just the Eden we read about in the Bible. There had to been a biodiverse ecosystem here in America. I am sure there was also one in the Yellow River area of China. Then of course there had to have been at least one in the ocean.

 

[Tiberius]

Actually this is the first I have heard about farming in America. There were no Hebrews in America. Or if there were, there were VERY few. The Mormons have tried to prove the Hebrews were here because the Book of Mormon requires it. So far if there were any Hebrews here at all, there were very very few of them. I have no doubt when it comes to biodiverse ecosystem there were many more then just the Eden we read about in the Bible. There had to been a biodiverse ecosystem here in America. I am sure there was also one in the Yellow River area of China. Then of course there had to have been at least one in the ocean.

Did you read the article?

The change comes a mere 10,000 years ago, when people first discover how to cultivate crops and to domesticate animals ... The strange thing is that this revolution occurs independently in separate parts of the world - the Middle East, for example, and America.​

And...

From weeding around a plant, or perhaps watering it in a dry spell, it is a small step to collecting its seeds and planting them in a protected spot where they will have a better than average chance of growing. From penning in animals, to kill them when needed, it is a small step to keeping them until their offspring are born.

In any one place the process will be gradual. Cultivated crops or domesticated animals form at first only a small part of a community's diet, most of it coming still from hunting and gathering. In each place where the change happens, its pattern is no doubt different. But in the Middle East, in America, in China and southeast Asia, the change does occur.​

Both from the article.

 

[Tiberius]

Story telling article. No basis for the silly dates is given.

For someone who has said that you don't know if the laws of the universe were different back then, you seem awfully sure of yourself that any SSP idea is silly.

 

[dad]

For someone who has said that you don't know if the laws of the universe were different back then, you seem awfully sure of yourself that any SSP idea is silly.

Are you sure I wasn't talking about deep space when saying something like that, if that is sort of what I said? Because the DSP is not up for grabs. I can't see any way round it.

 

[Tiberius]

The quote used to be in my signature, remember? There's a link to that particular post in my signature now.

I do not know if there was or not. It is you claiming there was. Proof?

And, to clarify, we were talking about radioactive decay at the time, not deep space.

 

[dad]

The quote used to be in my signature, remember? There's a link to that particular post in my signature now.

No. You apparently were not as memorable as you thought. Better to just be clear, and say what you mean.

And, to clarify, we were talking about radioactive decay at the time, not deep space.

Ok. So, I am am assuming a DSP. I don't know. But that being said, I doubt I will ever need to resort to plan B. But even if I did have to resort to plan B it would be more than enough to defeat science.

Hope that helps. You will likely never know what plan B was. Plan A is too wildly successful.

 

[mzungu]

Abraham came out of UR. What has been around longer then the Chaldeans? Jericho is one of the oldest cities and yet we read about Jericho in the Bible. Do you feel that is insignificant and should be ignored?

Science tells us the Hebrews were the first farmers. So can you tell me exactly just what civilized people predates the hebrews?

India and China both had civilisations as old as the south western Asian civilisations.

As for Jericho? Well if you read fiction then you will invariably encounter toponyms like New York, London, etc. This in no way proves the story to be true.

If you insist on a literal Bible then you also accept that the world is Flat, it does not move and the sun orbits the earth. Also that plants pre date the sun amongst other things.

All the above have been proven false centuries ago.

Now if you insist on the Earth being flat etc. then knock yourself out for it will not change the shape of the Earth in any way.

 

[Jamin4422]

Did you read the article?

The change comes a mere 10,000 years ago,​

Yes, I am a GAP. We believe a day is 1,000 years. So if you count back 7,000 from when Adam and Eve were in the Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago. Then that means this all began almost 13,000 years ago. That agrees with science when they use just about the same dates for the beginning of the neolithic revolution. That would be the time of the holocene extinction and the end of the last ice age.
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[Jamin4422]

India and China both had civilisations as old as the south western Asian civilisations.

Then where is their Bible? Where are their history books so we can learn something from them.

 

[Jamin4422]

then you also accept that the world is Flat,

I already explained to you that was a myth. So you are willing to spread myths in order to try and show your deception is true?

 

[mzungu]

Yes, I am a GAP. We believe a day is 1,000 years. So if you count back 7,000 from when Adam and Eve were in the Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago. Then that means this all began almost 13,000 years ago. That agrees with science when they use just about the same dates for the beginning of the neolithic revolution. That would be the time of the holocene extinction and the end of the last ice age.
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Are you implying that when God commanded people to rest on the 7th day that they have to rest for 1,000 years After all you claim that 1 day is equal to 1,000 days. Really now

 

[Elendur]

Then where is their Bible? Where are their history books so we can learn something from them.

A couple of really impressive works from China and India:
The Art of War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rigveda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (cool mathematics)

There was one Chinese author who compiled all the previous mathematical work as well as including his commentaries and informally proving it (!). Can't find him though.

Edit: Found someone interesting, not the one I was looking for but still of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Records_of_the_Grand_Historian

Edit 2: Liu Hui was the one I was looking for, he didn't do the compilation himself but his commentaries are the oldest version of the book called "The Nine Chapters on the Mathematical Art". That work is the Chinese equivalence to "Elementa" and has a lot of every-day examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Hui
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nine_Chapters_on_the_Mathematical_Art

 

[mzungu]

I already explained to you that was a myth. So you are willing to spread myths in order to try and show your deception is true?

Are you implying that Genesis is a myth

 

[mzungu]

Then where is their Bible? Where are their history books so we can learn something from them.

They (Chinese and Indians) were writing poetry on PAPER when the Hebrews were nothing more than goat herding nomads!

 

[TLK Valentine]

I already explained to you that was a myth. So you are willing to spread myths in order to try and show your deception is true?

Not sure you're in a position to talk.

Yes, I am a GAP. We believe a day is 1,000 years. So if you count back 7,000 from when Adam and Eve were in the Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago. Then that means this all began almost 13,000 years ago. That agrees with science when they use just about the same dates for the beginning of the neolithic revolution. That would be the time of the holocene extinction and the end of the last ice age.
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[Jamin4422]

Are you implying that when God commanded people to rest on the 7th day that they have to rest for 1,000 years After all you claim that 1 day is equal to 1,000 days. Really now

Yes, the 1000 year reign of Christ IS the sabath when man will rest from his works. We are told that we should pray that we be counted worthy to enter into His rest. Creation was 7,000 years. Adam fell on the eighth day and God's plan of redemption and restoration is a 7,000 year plan. So that adds up to a total of 14,000 years. That is when there will be a new age, a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[Jamin4422]

Not sure you're in a position to talk.

I am not sure either. But that is up to you to determine if I represent God or not. If I am right then you will be held accountable for what I tell you. If I am wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

 

[Jamin4422]

They (Chinese and Indians) were writing poetry on PAPER when the Hebrews were nothing more than goat herding nomads!

The Chinese and the Indians are still not as advanced as the Hebrews. Would you like to compare the average income in China & India with the average income in Israel? On the average the Hebrews have 5 iq points more. China imports their technology from developed nations. If you live in China and you want an education then you have to go to another country to get that education. For example the famous birds nest stadium was designed by a Swiss Architecture firm. Of course they worked with people in China to construct the building. They can build it, but not without help from developed nations. They are still working hard to catch up with the rest of the world.

What people are you descended from 6,000 years ago? Were they hurding animals or living in a cave somewhere? I think we need to take a better look at the people you come from. Oh wait your from Greece. Well no wonder all you do is talk about myths and mythology. Your heritage is filled with that. Where do you think your people were back then? It is no wonder you accuse the Hebrews of what your people are guilty of.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you implying that Genesis is a myth

If he doesn't, I'll say it -- Genesis is a myth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I am not sure either. But that is up to you to determine if I represent God or not. If I am right then you will be held accountable for what I tell you. If I am wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

Clearly I have nothing to worry about.