Tribulation physics

[Tiberius]

Not interested in Last Thursdayism.

And how is asking for verifiable evidence for Biblical claims "last Thursdayism"?

That is silly. One need not only deal with atoms nor with the present forces that govern the little nippers.

This makes no sense as an answer to what I said.

Bingo. So little more than a crossword puzzle! He saw the present stuff, and figured something was missing. Whoopee doo.

Once again you demonstrate your pathetic knowledge of science.

Only because we have properties for other stuff in the fishbowl.

Could he tell when his wife would leave him? How about the day he would die? Could he tell what Adam had for lunch on day 44 of his life? Could he so much as tell that Messiah came on the right day and died the right way and was born of a virgin in the right town, and etc etc etc etc etc etc?? Not impressed.

Yes, there are fishbowl superstars, that push knowledge almost to the edge of the fishbowl and are adept at fishbowl workings. That takes years of hard work. It has it's little place. Just don't put them up here against God or the bible, or we play whack a mole.

Are you serious?

Science can't tell you when your wife will leave you, so it's no good? What nonsense is this?

 

[Jamin4422]

you believe in a God even though you have no evidence for his existence.

We have subjective evidence. It is actually science that so often lacks evidence. Or if they do have evidence they keep it locked up and do not let anyone examine the evidence. Unless they are a part of the inner circle and swear to do all in their power to uphold the myth of evolution. They pay lip service to science but often the so called experts give people science fiction. They are so good at a cover up that the pitdown fossil was not exposed for 40 years. (source "Bones of Contention") There is more of this in the book, but that is enough for now.

 

[Tiberius]

We have subjective evidence.

In other words, nothing that can tell us anything about the true nature of how things are.

I can say that I have subjective evidence that Star trek is the best show ever made, but that isn't going to change the mind of someone who thinks it's rubbish, is it.

It is actually science that so often lacks evidence. Or if they do have evidence they keep it locked up and do not let anyone examine the evidence. Unless they are a part of the inner circle and swear to do all in their power to uphold the myth of evolution. They pay lip service to science but often the so called experts give people science fiction.

Are you serious? Let's for the moment assume that you are right and it is a big conspiracy. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to keep all those millions of scientists all around the world quiet?

They are so good at a cover up that the pitdown fossil was not exposed for 40 years. (source "Bones of Contention") There is more of this in the book, but that is enough for now.

Yeah, they always knew that Piltdown man wasn't what they thought, but they just wanted to keep it covered up. Yeah. Right.

 

[Jamin4422]

In other words, nothing that can tell us anything about the true nature of how things are.

In other words our relationship with God is a personal relationship between us and Him. It is not only a group experence. Although there is something awesome about going to church and worshiping God as a part of a Church family. Science can show you the benefit of being a Christian. Less sickness, less addiction, longer life, lower blood pressure and so on. Perhaps there are other ways to receive the same benefit like exercise, meditation, yoga and stuff like that. Still the advantage is well documented and many studies have been done.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to keep all those millions of scientists all around the world quiet?

No problem at all if you do not take the skull out of the safe and let them examine it. Most of what they are given is a plaster copy that has been doctored up and changes have been made. Again that is why pitfall man went 40 years before it was discovered to be a fraud.

Yeah, they always knew that Piltdown man wasn't what they thought, but they just wanted to keep it covered up. Yeah. Right.

R U suggesting that they are stupid enough to actually believe that the skull of a modern man and the jaw of an Ape was not real? Only if you studied the plaster copy, it was obvious if you looked at the original skull.

 

[Tiberius]

In other words our relationship with God is a personal relationship between us and Him. It is not only a group experence. Although there is something awesome about going to church and worshiping God as a part of a Church family. Science can show you the benefit of being a Christian. Less sickness, less addiction, longer life, lower blood pressure and so on. Perhaps there are other ways to receive the same benefit like exercise, meditation, yoga and stuff like that. Still the advantage is well documented and many studies have been done.

People once said the same thing about Zeus. People still say that exact same thing about lots of other gods that you don't believe in. You don't see it as a good argument for the existence of those other gods, so why should I see it as a good argument for yours?

And I would say that this awesome thing about going to church and worshipping is the fact that you are doing it with a bunch of others who have the same beliefs. Doing something you enjoy with a group of people who also enjoy it is always going to make you feel good.

No problem at all if you do not take the skull out of the safe and let them examine it. Most of what they are given is a plaster copy that has been doctored up and changes have been made. Again that is why pitfall man went 40 years before it was discovered to be a fraud.

Wait, are you actually saying that scientists routinely hide their discoveries to prevent others from disproving them? How would that go?

"Yes, I've just discovered that the moon is made of cheese from the magical space cow."

"I find that claim rather hard to believe. I'd like to see the data that support that conclusion."

"Um... no..."

R U suggesting that they are stupid enough to actually believe that the skull of a modern man and the jaw of an Ape was not real? Only if you studied the plaster copy, it was obvious if you looked at the original skull.

I'm sorry, are you an expert in biology? Anatomy?

Besides, if it was so important to all the scientists that it remain viewed as legitimate, why was it a SCIENTIST who uncovered it as a mistake?

"Oh no! Rogue scientist in sector three! he's revealing Piltdown man! Stop him! ARGH! Too late! No! He's about to reveal the proof that evolution isn't real, that it's all a bunch of vets who go out and genetically alter the baby animals in the womb! STOP HIM!!!"

 

[dad]

I'm sure the people will start taking you seriously the moment that happens.

Like when the temple got flattened? Apparently in the time of the changed laws we call the Tribulation, there will be the biggest mass conversions in history though. Relax.

 

[dad]

Plate tectonics is a lot more predictable then you seem to think.

False.

 

[dad]

Continents do not remain as they are and neither do mountains.

Duh..ya think?

Tectonics and erosion are some of the forces responsible. But if as you imply such changes were to happen instantly then the energy released would turn the whole planet into a molten cauldron.

False. History shows the different state moves produced no such heat.

Do you have any idea of the energy required for such changes to happen instantly? I am sure you do not.

Do you??? I doubt it. Why? Because you would be assuming stuff about deep below the earth that you really don't actually know, and assuming this state! Am I right, or am I right?

 

[dad]

Far more than that, actually -- but anything lower that 2.0 on the Richter Scale can usually only be detected with instruments...

Here's the latest word from the USGS -- and they don't even bother to list the small ones...

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days

Meanwhile, Richter magnitude scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia includes a nice chart concerning the power and frequency of various earthquakes...

Doesn't matter. This is not the time that the predicted quakes will happen. That will be when we get into the Tribulation. Figures we get spammed with would be bible know it alls that only confuse things.

 

[dad]

I just wrote a pretty long post to refute dad (again), but then, christianforums was unreachable, and it was lost. That's why I'll cut it short this time.

I feel your pain. been there, done that.

First of all, it's strange that you (dad) take books that were written thousands of years ago at face value, but dismiss scientific predictions because they could turn out wrong if the laws of nature suddenly changed.

Not strange. Why would I assume a weird same state future where godless predictions come true? You need more.

You say we have no evidence that the laws of nature will always stay the same,

Obviously.

yet you believe in a God even though you have no evidence for his existence. Big double standard there.

False. Evidence abounds. Jesus rose from the dead.

You dismiss scientific predictions, but somehow, you still make short term predictions.

??

If it's legitimate for you to click on the post button because you predicted a certain outcome, then why is it wrong for scientists to make predictions at all?

Get a grip. Posting on a forum is not the same as claiming that same state rules will apply till the sun fries out.

 

[Tiberius]

False.

Your "false" is false, and your attempts at rational debate are laughable.

Wait...

You are trying to be rational, aren't you?

 

[dad]

Your "false" is false, and your attempts at rational debate are laughable.

Wait...

You are trying to be rational, aren't you?

You reference something about plate tectonics being predictable. Is that why you can predict quakes?

 

[mzungu]

You reference something about plate tectonics being predictable. Is that why you can predict quakes?

Show me your God and I will dismiss science! Deal? No? Oh well then enjoy your dream world of make believe!

FSM will pardon you and will ignore your heathen ways!

 

[The Engineer]

Not strange. Why would I assume a weird same state future where godless predictions come true? You need more.

You ignored half of my point. I already understand why you dismiss future predictions. What interests me is why you take books that are thousands of years old at face value.

False. Evidence abounds.

For example?

Jesus rose from the dead.

We have no credible source for this. This "fact" is less solid then everything scientists say, yet you take it completely at face value.

??

Good point! I didn't think about that one!

Get a grip. Posting on a forum is not the same as claiming that same state rules will apply till the sun fries out.

It is. You assume that the laws of nature will always stay the same. So do scientists. Why is it okay for you, but not for them? Where do you draw the magic line between a reasonable assumption that the laws will stay the same and between the superstition that the laws will always stay the same? Where's the difference?

 

[Jamin4422]

What interests me is why you take books that are thousands of years old at face value.

You answer your own question: "You assume that the laws of nature will always stay the same. So do scientists.".

 

[Tiberius]

You reference something about plate tectonics being predictable. Is that why you can predict quakes?

I'm sorry. I seem to recall that Jamin said that plate tectonics was a lot more predictable than you think. He never said that it was completely predictable.

What is it with your "All or nothing" attitude?

The mechanism responsible for earthquakes is quite well understood, even if we can't predict exactly when they will occur.

 

[Jamin4422]

Show me your God and I will dismiss science!

When you find God then you will find true science. If you do not know God then you you do not know true science.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Like when the temple got flattened?

By the Babylonians or the Romans? be specific, sonny.

 

[The Engineer]

When you find God then you will find true science. If you do not know God then you you do not know true science.

I'm pretty sure you use a wrong definition of science.

 

[Jamin4422]

I'm pretty sure you use a wrong definition of science.

Why do you get your science out of the book of fantasy and fairy tales? I am talking about people that get out there and make things happen. That can show some results. As they say the proof is in the pudding. If you build a bridge and your bridge falls down then your science was no good. (no matter how good and proper your use of language) If it is still standing 100 years from now, then maybe it was ok. Drawing a picture does not get the job done. Lots of people draw lots of pictures of lots of things that can not be built and will not work in the real world. You call yourself an Engineer. Usually when I hear that it is in the context of someone saying: I wish I had five min. in a back alley with the blank, blank, blank Engineer that designed this thing. If you want, by all means, tell me what you think Science is.