Tribulation physics

[dad]

Well, I'll tell you this much -- if any of this stuff actually begins to happen, Dad will be everyone's go-to guy.

Until then, he'll remain everyone's entertainment.

Ha. Too bad I wouldn't be here cause probably the Rapture comes first. But hey, God told us all this stuff ages and ages ago, don't credit me.

 

[Tiberius]

That depends...does science use current laws to forcast that the sun will go out one day billions of years from now? Does science assume present laws in the early earth and history? If so, then obviously it has everything to do with it.

No, you aren't talking about science at all. You are telling us your interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Jamin4422]

Why not?? People survive it.

I think in order for people to survive they will need to get out of the city and off of the grid.

 

[dad]

No, you aren't talking about science at all. You are telling us your interpretation of the Bible.

Science cannot deal in the spiritual, nor the future. Yet it blathers on about the sun, and galactic collisions and the universe going dark one day and yada yada yada. The differences in nature I outlined in the bible future Tribulation mean that science will not apply as you know it. Real science is bigger than present state godless so called science.

 

[dad]

I think in order for people to survive they will need to get out of the city and off of the grid.

No. The battle is won outside the city actually in the end. The city will be fine. Jesus lands right on the mount of Olives even, and judges the nations in the new valley opened up there. No nuclear devastation. The survivors will live in Jerusalem even, many of them.

 

[Tiberius]

Science cannot deal in the spiritual, nor the future. Yet it blathers on about the sun, and galactic collisions and the universe going dark one day and yada yada yada. The differences in nature I outlined in the bible future Tribulation mean that science will not apply as you know it. Real science is bigger than present state godless so called science.

Science does not deal in the spiritual, but there is nothing to suggest that the spiritual exists other than the fact that some people really want it to.

As for the future, science dopes indeed allow us to make predictions about the future. Dmitri Mendeleev was able to make predictions about elements that had not yet been discovered using his table of the elements.

 

[The Engineer]

Science cannot deal in the spiritual, nor the future. Yet it blathers on about the sun, and galactic collisions and the universe going dark one day and yada yada yada. The differences in nature I outlined in the bible future Tribulation mean that science will not apply as you know it. Real science is bigger than present state godless so called science.

What tells you science cannot deal with the future? That's the whole deal with science; you can make predictions based on it.

I agree with you, science has nothing to do with the spiritual. That's why this thread has nothing to do on the science board.

 

[dad]

Science does not deal in the spiritual,

That means it is blind to the most important aspects of life and history.

but there is nothing to suggest that the spiritual exists other than the fact that some people really want it to.

Actually all history almost universally testifies to it.

As for the future, science dopes indeed allow us to make predictions about the future. Dmitri Mendeleev was able to make predictions about elements that had not yet been discovered using his table of the elements.

Peanuts. Like gravitaional lensing around the sun. That is just observing laws and seeing the natural conclusions. Like if you drop a bowling ball..it could land on your foot. Whoopee do. All inbred in box, in fishbowl stuff.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No. The battle is won outside the city actually in the end. The city will be fine. Jesus lands right on the mount of Olives even, and judges the nations in the new valley opened up there. No nuclear devastation. The survivors will live in Jerusalem even, many of them.

Judge the nations? What about the people?

 

[dad]

What tells you science cannot deal with the future?

The fact that you do not know what the future holds. You assume that our laws will apply, and as long as that is true, you can make some educated guesses. But you do not know how long that will be true.

God layed out specific events and people in the future long before they were born. Not just some guess based on knowing a few things about current nature.

I agree with you, science has nothing to do with the spiritual. That's why this thread has nothing to do on the science board.

False. Real science does involve more than the physical only in this current place and time. Overruled. It is high time people stopped thinking of your little belief system as science.

 

[dad]

Judge the nations? What about the people?

Well I wasn't planning to get technical. In other words the area is safe from killing radioactive danger. The judgment where people are raised from the dead comes after the 1000 years if you want to know.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well I wasn't planning to get technical.

You never do.

In other words the area is safe from killing radioactive danger.

Why not just declare that radioactivity won't work in the future? That would be more consistent with your M.O.

 

[The Engineer]

That means it is blind to the most important aspects of life and history.

Ever thought that science probably doesn't detect the supernatural because the supernatural doesn't exist?

Actually all history almost universally testifies to it.

How?

Peanuts. Like gravitaional lensing around the sun. That is just observing laws and seeing the natural conclusions. Like if you drop a bowling ball..it could land on your foot. Whoopee do. All inbred in box, in fishbowl stuff.

Without science, we can't make any predictions at all, so I'd say it still wins.

The fact that you do not know what the future holds. You assume that our laws will apply, and as long as that is true, you can make some educated guesses. But you do not know how long that will be true.

Without assuming consistency, predictions are impossible.

And we have good reason to assume consistency.

God layed out specific events and people in the future long before they were born. Not just some guess based on knowing a few things about current nature.

He certainly didn't, because he doesn't exist.

If you want to discuss a certain prophecy, just go on.

False. Real science does involve more than the physical only in this current place and time.

No.

Overruled. It is high time people stopped thinking of your little belief system as science.

So it's not science if it doesn't deal with magic?

In short, it's not science if it's science?

 

[Tiberius]

That means it is blind to the most important aspects of life and history.

Please show that anything spiritual has occured (and also show that it was an actual spiritual thing rather than the IDEA of something spiritual).

Actually all history almost universally testifies to it.

Citation needed.

Peanuts. Like gravitaional lensing around the sun. That is just observing laws and seeing the natural conclusions. Like if you drop a bowling ball..it could land on your foot. Whoopee do. All inbred in box, in fishbowl stuff.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Did you miss the bit where I said that Dmitri Mendeleev was able to predict the properties of certain elements BEFORE they were discovered? How is that observing and drawing conclusions about those observations? Or do you think Mendeleev made his observations and then travelled back in time?

 

[Jamin4422]

He certainly didn't, because he doesn't exist.

How do you know that you exist? Considering All the matter that makes up the human race could fit in a sugar cube.

 

[Jamin4422]

Jesus lands right on the mount of Olives even,

Where Jesus lands is where 4 plates come together. That is why the east will separate from the west and the north will split from the south. The New Jerusalem will be 1500 miles by 1500 miles and that just happens to be the size of the Arab plate in the Middle East. The "sea" will be no more. I can not remember what body of water that refers to. But it will be drained out and no longer contain water. We could drain out the Great Lakes if we wanted to. I have a friend that use to build 36 foot water pipes to divert the water for power plants.

 

[dad]

You never do.



Why not just declare that radioactivity won't work in the future? That would be more consistent with your M.O.

The fact that people are stilll fine and living in the area means no killing radioactivity. No special declaration needed.

 

[dad]

Ever thought that science probably doesn't detect the supernatural because the supernatural doesn't exist?

No. I am not stupid, thanks.

How?

By recording things related to spirits.

Without science, we can't make any predictions at all, so I'd say it still wins.

False. The yo yo predictions so called of science are nothing. They are merely looking at what is and doing the math on what was or will be accordingly.

Without assuming consistency, predictions are impossible.

False. The Bible demos that.

And we have good reason to assume consistency.

None actually. Name one thing?

He certainly didn't, because he doesn't exist.

Proof?

If you want to discuss a certain prophecy, just go on.

Not with the devoid, thanks. If one doesn't realize there are hundreds and hundreds, then we might as well talk to a dog.

No.

Yes. The future and past are part of what real science deals with.

So it's not science if it doesn't deal with magic?

To in box so called science a lot would be magic.

In short, it's not science if it's science?

Science is not what you thought. No. The so called science of only the physical and present state laws is a belief system.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The fact that people are stilll fine and living in the area means no killing radioactivity. No special declaration needed.

Seems pretty "special" when you use the present tense to describe things that haven't happened yet.

Or has jesus already touched down and the media is covering it up?

 

[dad]

Please show that anything spiritual has occured (and also show that it was an actual spiritual thing rather than the IDEA of something spiritual).

Jesus came into the world on cue. Raised from the dead on cue and was observed.

Citation needed.

The kings of Egypt were said to be spirits...the early ones.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Did you miss the bit where I said that Dmitri Mendeleev was able to predict the properties of certain elements BEFORE they were discovered?

Irrelevant. That is in box stuff. If we have 87 elements then we can expect 88..whooopee doo.