Tribulation physics

[dad]

Seems pretty "special" when you use the present tense to describe things that haven't happened yet.

Or has jesus already touched down and the media is covering it up?

No but it is as good as a done deal.

 

[dad]

Where Jesus lands is where 4 plates come together. That is why the east will separate from the west and the north will split from the south. The New Jerusalem will be 1500 miles by 1500 miles and that just happens to be the size of the Arab plate in the Middle East.

False and easily shown as such actually. The New Jerusalem comes down from space. Nothing to do with 'plates' in the middle east.

The "sea" will be no more.

When? Hint....after the 1000 years. Irrelevant to the OP.

I can not remember what body of water that refers to. But it will be drained out and no longer contain water. We could drain out the Great Lakes if we wanted to. I have a friend that use to build 36 foot water pipes to divert the water for power plants.

Who says that no more sea means one body of water? No wonder you can't remember.

 

[The Engineer]

By recording things related to spirits.

Duh! You mean, like... like... like what?

False. The yo yo predictions so called of science are nothing. They are merely looking at what is and doing the math on what was or will be accordingly.

Those predictions worked over the course of a hundred years or so so far, some of them at least. Darwin predicted evolution; Richard Lenski directly observed it.

False. The Bible demos that.

What did the bible predict, for example?

None actually. Name one thing?

First of all, it allows us to make predictions, at all. If we assume the laws of the universe could change at any moment, any prediction becomes impossible, even something as simple as If I walk out of my house, I'm outside.
Second, the fact that the laws of the universe never change is observed all the time.
If you can see a rolling ball, would you assume that it would just stop dead for no reason? No, you wouldn't. Why would you then assume that the laws of the universe will just change for no reason?

Proof?

The burden of proof is on you. Not me.

Not with the devoid, thanks. If one doesn't realize there are hundreds and hundreds, then we might as well talk to a dog.

So you refuse to support your own claims? Very well.

Yes. The future and past are part of what real science deals with.

Yes, the future is a part of what real science deals with.

To in box so called science a lot would be magic.

Only the things that science can't observe in any way.

Science is not what you thought. No. The so called science of only the physical and present state laws is a belief system.

The whole purpose of the scientific method was created to get rid of untestable and unfalsifiable claims. There is no real science which allows one to excuse every phenomenon with goddidit. That would be unscientific.

Jesus came into the world on cue. Raised from the dead on cue and was observed.

Observed by a handful of people whose existence is completely unproven.

The kings of Egypt were said to be spirits...the early ones.

Source?

Irrelevant. That is in box stuff. If we have 87 elements then we can expect 88..whooopee doo.

The man didn't predict that there are elements. He predicted the properties of those elements.

 

[mzungu]

Who says that no more sea means one body of water? No wonder you can't remember.

According to his almighty FSM; "No more Sea is the hell where all marine life go to after death". It is an arid place much like Mars but in effect it is ONE BODY of water that exists in the spiritual world. FSM has blessed me with his noodly appendages and I know that what he told me is FACT! so you are basically wasting your time DAD with fairy tales and false notions that "No more Sea" is not a single body of water. Even the Bible accepts this to be true and science also.

May his Noodliness bless you with a thousand plates of pasta and plenty of sauce Bolognese with hefty garnish of Parmezan cheese. All hail FSM!

 

[Tiberius]

Jesus came into the world on cue. Raised from the dead on cue and was observed.

Got any evidence for this besides hearsay? Preferably something written by someone who we can verify was an eyewitness?

The kings of Egypt were said to be spirits...the early ones.

Who gives a rat's bum? Anyone can say anything, doesn't make it true.

Irrelevant. That is in box stuff. If we have 87 elements then we can expect 88..whooopee doo.

Are you dense or do you just refuse to pay attention?

First of all, there are only a limited number of stable ways to arrange an atom. So you cannot conclude that there will always be one more.

Secondly, Mendeleev wasn't just tacking another element onto the end of a list. He was able to determine a particular arrangement and figure out that there were spaces between elements where undiscovered elements would go.

Thirdly, Mendeleev was able to predict the properties that the undiscovered elements would have. You aren't able to do that by just saying, "Uh, gee I guess there could be a few more elements out there, maybe..."

 

[Jamin4422]

Ever thought that science probably doesn't detect the supernatural because the supernatural doesn't exist?

So you think that your superpowers are natural and not supernatural?

 

[Jamin4422]

Got any evidence for this besides hearsay? Preferably something written by someone who we can verify was an eyewitness?

It would not matter because this is hidden or veiled for those who are perishing. The math is very simple though because we are talking about the third day and a day is 1,000 years. There will be a wedding on the third day. The bride will be perfected on the third day. We are told that "on the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king's palace". Now perhaps for you this has no meaning. For dispensationists a day is 1,000 years. We know we are near to the third day. Almost 2,000 years has already passed. I actually have read two different books that talks about the third day and does a study on all the different passages that deals with this.

This looks like a reference to Daniels 70 weeks. 70 times 7 is 490 years. So they knew exactly when Jesus would be born. Every now and then I will do the math on this and it all adds up.

24 Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

26 And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one
week; But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.
Daniel 9:24-27 (NKJV)

 

[The Engineer]

So you think that your superpowers are natural and not supernatural?

I don't have superpowers, but thanks anyway.

 

[mzungu]

So you think that your superpowers are natural and not supernatural?

Would you use a poweful tool such as a supercomputer to do simple arithmetic? YECs are in essence doing just that; They are using their powerful tool (Brain) to do simple arithmetic (religion) and thus insulting their God who supposedly gave them such a powerful tool to use and they go and underutilise it by specifically using it for blind faith in their religion to explain the physical world.

What a waste of processing power!

 

[Jamin4422]

Who says that no more sea means one body of water? No wonder you can't remember.

If your going to make an issue of this then why don't you go ahead and look it up?

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Sea is used specifically of the Mediterranean Sea or the Red Sea. I really do not think we are talking about the Mediterranean. So this MUST be a reference to the Red Sea. They are already using the water from the Red Sea to maintain the water level in the Dead Sea. They are making a lot of money selling the minerals in the Dead Sea.

 

[dad]

Duh! You mean, like... like... like what?

"Beginning with Djedefra (26th century BC), the Egyptian pharaohs called themselves "Son of Ra" as well as "Bull (son) of his Mother" among their many titles. One, Hatshepsut, who ruled from 1479 BC to 1458 BC, traced her heritage not only to her father, Thutmose I, who would have become deified upon his death—but also to the deity, Mut, as a direct ancestor."
Deity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or like this...


Ge 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. One cannot name any ancient civilization that did not have aome claims of spirits, can one?

Those predictions worked over the course of a hundred years or so so far, some of them at least. Darwin predicted evolution; Richard Lenski directly observed it.

So does the bible...get in line! Just look at the lions eating grass. Beats your little skewed partially informed predictions.

What did the bible predict, for example?

Look at the OP, for example. Or if you want to look back in time, how about the captivity of Israel?

First of all, it allows us to make predictions, at all. If we assume the laws of the universe could change at any moment, any prediction becomes impossible, even something as simple as If I walk out of my house, I'm outside.

Right. Impossible is where you are at. Exactly. Any observations of and in the fishbowl that allow us to 'predict' stuff only are relative to the fishbowl. Without this state and laws you have no hope of being even partially right.

Second, the fact that the laws of the universe never change is observed all the time.

False. You could not know. You merely look at it from the fishbowl and assume it was always like this.

If you can see a rolling ball, would you assume that it would just stop dead for no reason? No, you wouldn't. Why would you then assume that the laws of the universe will just change for no reason?

Because the One that set them up can change them as He wants. Don't try to fit it into your 'natural' world views and randomness fluke and chance dreaming. Any ball you see on or near earth will roll as it is told by the current laws in place here.

Yes, the future is a part of what real science deals with.

Not in any real way. The future beyond our state they do not even know about. They are small minded, and short sighted prognosticators of the present state only.

Only the things that science can't observe in any way.

Then it better not make claims beyond the fishbowl.

The whole purpose of the scientific method was created to get rid of untestable and unfalsifiable claims. There is no real science which allows one to excuse every phenomenon with goddidit. That would be unscientific.

No more than claiming things were don by an unknown state, and that no spirits exist unless you poor little physical only sods can see them.

Observed by a handful of people whose existence is completely unproven.

Jealous?

Source?

"... Despite the fact that it begins with an enumeration of gods, demi-gods, spirits and mythical that were supposed to have ruled Egypt before the reign of Menes,.."

The Ancient Egypt Site

The man didn't predict that there are elements. He predicted the properties of those elements.

Based on...?? Think about it...other elements and other fishbowl realities de jour.

 

[dad]

Got any evidence for this besides hearsay? Preferably something written by someone who we can verify was an eyewitness?

Not interested in Last Thursdayism.

First of all, there are only a limited number of stable ways to arrange an atom. So you cannot conclude that there will always be one more.

That is silly. One need not only deal with atoms nor with the present forces that govern the little nippers.

Secondly, Mendeleev wasn't just tacking another element onto the end of a list. He was able to determine a particular arrangement and figure out that there were spaces between elements where undiscovered elements would go.

Bingo. So little more than a crossword puzzle! He saw the present stuff, and figured something was missing. Whoopee doo.

Thirdly, Mendeleev was able to predict the properties that the undiscovered elements would have.

Only because we have properties for other stuff in the fishbowl.


Could he tell when his wife would leave him? How about the day he would die? Could he tell what Adam had for lunch on day 44 of his life? Could he so much as tell that Messiah came on the right day and died the right way and was born of a virgin in the right town, and etc etc etc etc etc etc?? Not impressed.

Yes, there are fishbowl superstars, that push knowledge almost to the edge of the fishbowl and are adept at fishbowl workings. That takes years of hard work. It has it's little place. Just don't put them up here against God or the bible, or we play whack a mole.

 

[dad]

If your going to make an issue of this then why don't you go ahead and look it up?

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Sea is used specifically of the Mediterranean Sea or the Red Sea. I really do not think we are talking about the Mediterranean. So this MUST be a reference to the Red Sea. They are already using the water from the Red Sea to maintain the water level in the Dead Sea. They are making a lot of money selling the minerals in the Dead Sea.

You assume that the continents will remain as they are. If every mountain gets flattened in a big shake and every island moved, and big changes to the topography of Israel, do you think that is a wise assumption?

As for sea it can be used more than one way. Look at way number one!

the sea

1. used of the sea in general
2. used specifically of the Mediterranean Sea

New Testament Greek - StudyLight.org

The context for the word in the verse is in conjunction with the universe or heavens and whole earth. Therefore to render the sea to mean one present day sea is flawed. Would we have to do that for the sea in Gen 1?? --Yes, it was often what was meant by the sea, but not always and not in this case apparently. In any case it would also fit a rapid plate movement and changed state! Win/win.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You assume that the continents will remain as they are. If every mountain gets flattened in a big shake and every island moved, and big changes to the topography of Israel, do you think that is a wise assumption?

I'm sure the people will start taking you seriously the moment that happens.

 

[Jamin4422]

If every mountain gets flattened in a big shake and every island moved, and big changes to the topography of Israel, do you think that is a wise assumption?

Plate tectonics is a lot more predictable then you seem to think.

 

[Jamin4422]

I'm sure the people will start taking you seriously the moment that happens.

Isn't there something like 90 earthquakes a day?

 

[mzungu]

You assume that the continents will remain as they are. If every mountain gets flattened in a big shake and every island moved, and big changes to the topography of Israel, do you think that is a wise assumption?

Continents do not remain as they are and neither do mountains. Tectonics and erosion are some of the forces responsible. But if as you imply such changes were to happen instantly then the energy released would turn the whole planet into a molten cauldron. Do you have any idea of the energy required for such changes to happen instantly? I am sure you do not.

I know that having a serious debate with someone who makes up anything that suits him is really an exercise in futility.

I am sure FSM will pardon you when the time comes!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Plate tectonics is a lot more predictable then you seem to think.

Yes, but dad is operating under the assumption that plate tectonics, the laws of physics, and, in fact, the entire universe will at some point rearrange themselves in an almost completely unpredictable way... almost, insofar as is can be predicted that they will arrange and rearrange themselves on the fly to coincide nicely with Dad's eschatology.

Dad is the classic example of a person who tries to alter facts to fit his ideas, rather than alter his ideas to fit the facts.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Isn't there something like 90 earthquakes a day?

Far more than that, actually -- but anything lower that 2.0 on the Richter Scale can usually only be detected with instruments...

Here's the latest word from the USGS -- and they don't even bother to list the small ones...

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days

Meanwhile, Richter magnitude scale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia includes a nice chart concerning the power and frequency of various earthquakes...

 

[The Engineer]

I just wrote a pretty long post to refute dad (again), but then, christianforums was unreachable, and it was lost. That's why I'll cut it short this time.

First of all, it's strange that you (dad) take books that were written thousands of years ago at face value, but dismiss scientific predictions because they could turn out wrong if the laws of nature suddenly changed.

You say we have no evidence that the laws of nature will always stay the same, yet you believe in a God even though you have no evidence for his existence. Big double standard there.

You dismiss scientific predictions, but somehow, you still make short term predictions. If it's legitimate for you to click on the post button because you predicted a certain outcome, then why is it wrong for scientists to make predictions at all?