Tribulation physics

[SkyWriting]

So the baby goes to Heaven before the age of accountability, is raised and then (once the baby reaches the A of A) is judged to see whether he is going to be allowed access to Heaven for eternity?Well, that doesn't seem fair. The baby has an unfair advantage. He gets to see God every single day. And yet I'm often told that God doesn't provide proof of himself here on Earth because that would violate our free will. So then why is it okay for the baby to get such proof? Then why does it need to reach the age of accountability?

The A of A is a church tradition constructed idea. It may be so, maybe not. No one knows how God decides about children. It's impossible for us to imagine that infants don't go straight to heaven so people have constructed the AofA idea. But God only knows what it takes for God to allow a soul to be with Him. It takes a cleansing of all that is impure, and it's easy to determine that infants have much less baggage.

 

[florida2]

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My Bible (NIV) quotes Matthew 18:3 as 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'

Nothing about the unconverted or babies etc.

Is the Bible wrong?

 

[TLK Valentine]

My Bible (NIV) quotes Matthew 18:3 as 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'

Nothing about the unconverted or babies etc.

Is the Bible wrong?

It disagrees with AV -- of course it must be wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

My Bible (NIV) quotes Matthew 18:3 as 'Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'

Nothing about the unconverted or babies etc.

Is the Bible wrong?

Was Mary "with child"?

Is a woman who is about to get an abortion "with child"; or, as science says, "with a fetus"?

 

[dad]

The A of A is a church tradition constructed idea. It may be so, maybe not. No one knows how God decides about children. It's impossible for us to imagine that infants don't go straight to heaven so people have constructed the AofA idea. But God only knows what it takes for God to allow a soul to be with Him. It takes a cleansing of all that is impure, and it's easy to determine that infants have much less baggage.

Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Was Mary "with child"?

Is a woman who is about to get an abortion "with child"; or, as science says, "with a fetus"?

So, from this we get the man-made drivel of the "age of accountability"?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, from this we get the man-made drivel of the "age of accountability"?

Why is that 'drivel' to you? do you want us to think they go to Hell?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Why is that 'drivel' to you? do you want us to think they go to Hell?

I want you to be at least somewhat consistent in your "theology."

THE BIBLE SAYS IT ... THAT SETTLES IT*

*(unless, of course, this leads to anything we find particularly unpleasant, in which case, whatever the Bible says will be set aside in the name of whatever we can make up in order to give us a warm fuzzy feeling inside.)

 

[AV1611VET]

I want you to be at least somewhat consistent in your "theology."

THE BIBLE SAYS IT ... THAT SETTLES IT*

*(unless, of course, this leads to anything we find particularly unpleasant, in which case, whatever the Bible says will be set aside in the name of whatever we can make up in order to give us a warm fuzzy feeling inside.)

You didn't answer my question.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Tell us what does gravity work on? Physical objects. Since there will be more than that involved one assumes there will be more than that at work. Glad that rocks your world, that is a good first step.

Gravity is not a magical force like ignorance would have us believe. It is a property of space time -the very fabric of the universe. Now you're gonna tell me all about the different state past and what not. Go ahead, I get lessons in astronomy from astronomers, not from nut jobs on online forums.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

God could have known if He had wanted to know. But that would have shown a lack of faith in Adam. God did have to make adjustment. Hell was prepared for the devil and the angels that followed him. God had to enlarge hell to make room for man. We are told that for those that go to heaven Jesus prepares a place for them.

1) omniscience fail.

2) omnipotence fail.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Unless you knew His original plan how would you know if it was revised????

You guys told me so. Do I need to quote it? It was earlier in this very thread.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Right and it works on a disco ball. So? Earth space time is a passing fad. One only in a certain neighborhood even.

What kind of argument is that? Having an 'off day' are we dad?

 

[AV1611VET]

Go ahead, I get lessons in astronomy from astronomers,

So do I.

That's why I used to believe Pluto was our 9th planet, until I found out that astronomers were calling these things "planets," without even having a [proper] definition for the word.

I'll bet you even thought astronomers found a planet orbiting Barnard's star; or that they found evidence of fossilized bacteria inside a Martian meteorite, don't you?

 

[Tiberius]

The A of A is a church tradition constructed idea. It may be so, maybe not. No one knows how God decides about children. It's impossible for us to imagine that infants don't go straight to heaven so people have constructed the AofA idea. But God only knows what it takes for God to allow a soul to be with Him. It takes a cleansing of all that is impure, and it's easy to determine that infants have much less baggage.

I think you should tell AV this.

 

[Tiberius]

Yes. The only sort of evidence that can deal with it. God's word. Since you have no science that can deal with it, you best be waving that white flag.

That isn't evidence, dad. It's a collection of old stories.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You didn't answer my question.

I did -- you didn't like the answer, so, as usu- no, as always, you run from it.

You want to know what I want from you guys? I want you to face the truth.

You don't like the truth of reason and observation? Fine -- retreat into the "Truth" of your Bibles if it makes you feel better, but know this much:

The "Truth" is that the Bible is quite explicit that everybody is a sinner in need of a Savior, lest they fall into hellfire. Say it with me, AV: everybody.

There are no exceptions made for age, mental status, or geographical isolation. We have all sinned in Adam, and we are all accountable for that sin. Say it with me, AV: all are accountable.

The "Truth" is that in that Bible, God is quite explicit that nobody has an excuse for not believing in him. Say it with me, AV: nobody.

The "Truth" is that the Bible also states -- quite explicitly, once again -- that God is Truth... so, whenever you run from the Truth -- no matter how well-intentioned you might be; no matter how unpleasant that Truth might be -- you are running away from God.

If you want to run away from God while at the same time claiming to be on His si- check that; while claiming to have Him on your side, then you have nobody to blame but yourself when your hypocrisy is made clear to all.

 

[AV1611VET]

I did -- you didn't like the answer, so, as usu- no, as always, you run from it.

You want to know what I want from you guys? I want you to face the truth.

You don't like the truth of reason and observation? Fine -- retreat into the "Truth" of your Bibles if it makes you feel better, but know this much:

The "Truth" is that the Bible is quite explicit that everybody is a sinner in need of a Savior, lest they fall into hellfire. Say it with me, AV: everybody.

There are no exceptions made for age, mental status, or geographical isolation. We have all sinned in Adam, and we are all accountable for that sin. Say it with me, AV: all are accountable.

The "Truth" is that in that Bible, God is quite explicit that nobody has an excuse for believing in him. Say it with me, AV: nobody.

The "Truth" is that the Bible also states -- quite explicitly, once again -- that God is Truth... so, whenever you run from the Truth -- no matter how well-intentioned you might be; no matter how unpleasant that Truth might be -- you are running away from God.

If you want to run away from God while at the same time claiming to be on His si- check that; while claiming to have Him on your side, then you have nobody to blame but yourself when your hypocrisy is made clear to all.

2 Samuel 12:21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

 

[dad]

Gravity is not a magical force like ignorance would have us believe. It is a property of space time -the very fabric of the universe

Speaking of ignorance, let us remember here that the spacetime we know from earth is not known to exist throughout the universe.

. Now you're gonna tell me all about the different state past and what not. Go ahead, I get lessons in astronomy from astronomers, not from nut jobs on online forums.

No. There is no need to get into the past of earth here. That is above your pay grade.

 

[dad]

That isn't evidence, dad. It's a collection of old stories.

You either have science that can deal with it and can show us, or not.