Tribulation physics

[dad]

What kind of argument is that? Having an 'off day' are we dad?

No. The day is fine. The argument is also fine. The point is that the space time of this present time is not forever, as far as science can prove and as far as the word of God tells us. Both. Doesn't get better than that!

 

[dad]

You guys told me so. Do I need to quote it? It was earlier in this very thread.

Yes you need to.

 

[TLK Valentine]

2 Samuel 12:21 Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread.
22 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?
23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

So the child and the father will end up in the same place -- care to speculate where that is?

 

[AV1611VET]

So the child and the father will end up in the same place -- care to speculate where that is?

I can almost guarantee your obtuseness will backfire on you, Val.

You might think you're being scientific in your approach, but it will only prevent you from learning the Truth.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I can almost guarantee your obtuseness will backfire on you, Val.

You might think you're being scientific in your approach, but it will only prevent you from learning the Truth.

You're the one running from the truth -- and your deliberate non-answers show you do it willingly.

Aren't you ever ashamed of yourself, AV?

 

[mzungu]

So do I.

That's why I used to believe Pluto was our 9th planet, until I found out that astronomers were calling these things "planets," without even having a [proper] definition for the word.

I'll bet you even thought astronomers found a planet orbiting Barnard's star; or that they found evidence of fossilized bacteria inside a Martian meteorite, don't you?

People used to believe the Earth to be flat; Are you insisting we uphold that belief? here is an excerpt from wiki that gives the reason and definition of why Pluto was redefined. Also Science discovered Pluto and Science has the right to define Pluto as it sees fit:

The term dwarf planet was adopted in 2006 as part of a three-way categorization of bodies orbiting the Sun,[1] brought about by an increase in discoveries of trans-Neptunian objects that rivaled Pluto in size, and finally precipitated by the discovery of an even more massive object, Eris.[4] This classification states that bodies large enough to have cleared the neighbourhood of their orbit are defined as planets, while those that are not massive enough to be rounded by their own gravity are defined as small Solar System bodies. Dwarf planets come in between. The exclusion of dwarf planets from the roster of planets by the IAU has been both praised and criticized; it was said to be the "right decision" by Mike Brown,[5][6][7] who discovered Eris and other new dwarf planets, but has been rejected by Alan Stern,[8][9] who had coined the term dwarf planet in 1990.[10]

You will notice that some astronomers do not accept Plutos status change but this is the way science works. No one disagrees with the characteristics exhibited by Pluto; What some critisize is the definition change and this will eventually be totally settled in the near future as more and more transneptunian bodies are discovered!

 

[AV1611VET]

Also Science discovered Pluto and Science has the right to define Pluto as it sees fit:

I said scientists didn't have the proper definition of "planet" ... not "Pluto."

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes you need to.

Originally Posted by Crudo89
So while all this is happening, does gravity stop working too?

You got it all backwards. God is restoring creation to His plan and Purpose. When God performs a miracle everything it restored back to the way it should be according to his plan and purpose.

To me, that sounds like a revision. You know, to have an original plan, and then have to make adjustments for your plan to continue to work. That happens a lot to humans -we're not perfect. I guess it also happens to God.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I said scientists didn't have the proper definition of "planet" ... not "Pluto."

"Pluto" does not fit the proper definition of "planet". Why is that so hard to understand? It's not evolutionary biology!

 

[Tiberius]

You either have science that can deal with it and can show us, or not.

I'm still waiting for YOU to show US!

You've never shown us anything! All you do is try to turn it around and pretend that we have the burden of proof.

 

[Tiberius]

The biggest merciful sign of the tribulation will be hundreds of thousands perhaps even a million or more real Christians (not goats, false prophets, false brothers and false teachers) disappearing in "the blink of an eye".

Even with this great sign few will fall down in repentance to God but instead will gnash their teeth at Him and join satan and the final anti Christ.

Tell you what. If it happens, I'll convert. Let me know when it happens.

 

[dad]

Originally Posted by Crudo89
So while all this is happening, does gravity stop working too?

gravity is not a force for the future in and of itself. Gravity is for the physical.

 

[dad]

I'm still waiting for YOU to show US!

You've never shown us anything! All you do is try to turn it around and pretend that we have the burden of proof.

I show what counts...that science doesn't know. Those in the know, already know that God knows.

 

[dad]

The biggest merciful sign of the tribulation will be hundreds of thousands perhaps even a million or more real Christians (not goats, false prophets, false brothers and false teachers) disappearing in "the blink of an eye".

Even with this great sign few will fall down in repentance to God but instead will gnash their teeth at Him and join satan and the final anti Christ.

A million or more? Where did you get your numbers? If believers all go, would not that mean more than a million?

 

[Jamin4422]

Tell you what. If it happens, I'll convert. Let me know when it happens.

If you convert during the Trib then you will have to be martyred for your faith. So it would be better not to wait and have to go through the Tribulation. The church age ends somewhere around 2029 so we can expect this somewhere around then. Perhaps around the day of pentecost.

 

[Jamin4422]

A million or more? Where did you get your numbers? If believers all go, would not that mean more than a million?

Could be as many as 2 billion. According to the Georga stone they plan to: "

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."

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[dad]

Could be as many as 2 billion. According to the Georga stone they plan to: "

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature."


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They plan...God plans...we all plan. Let's see who wins. I assume there are hundreds of millions of imperfect believers, saved by grace, that Jesus will gather at the Rapture.

 

[Tiberius]

I show what counts...that science doesn't know. Those in the know, already know that God knows.

The only thing that you've shown us is that your best argument is "You can't prove I'm wrong, therefore I'm right!"

And I have proven you wrong too, you just refuse to look at it, because you are blinded by your beliefs.

 

[Tiberius]

If you convert during the Trib then you will have to be martyred for your faith. So it would be better not to wait and have to go through the Tribulation. The church age ends somewhere around 2029 so we can expect this somewhere around then. Perhaps around the day of pentecost.

In other words, you want me to believe you without any proof.

Tell you what. You give me all your worldly possessions and I'll give you a million dollars. But only once I've got all your stuff.

See how weak that argument is? few will believe an incredible claim before they have proof that the claim is true.

 

[mzungu]

The biggest merciful sign of the tribulation will be hundreds of thousands perhaps even a million or more real Christians (not goats, false prophets, false brothers and false teachers) disappearing in "the blink of an eye".

Even with this great sign few will fall down in repentance to God but instead will gnash their teeth at Him and join satan and the final anti Christ.

What use does God have for teeth Does he need to eat Surely having teeth means that he needs to eat and this leads me to ask; What does God eat