Tribulation physics

[Jamin4422]

I enjoy the physical world and I certainly do not dismiss it like you dismiss science yet you continue to enjoy the fruits of science. This is the definition of hypocrisy. Look it up in any dictionary.

You continue to enjoy the world that God created for you. You continue to enjoy the sun that He allows to shine into your life. You continue to enjoy the rain that provides water for you to grow your food. Science would have nothing to study if God had not created it all. Evolution would have nothing to evolve if God had not provided the building blocks. All the atoms, molecules, elements and so on.

 

[Jamin4422]

Some other parts of the Bible have been proved false. Noah's flood, for example.

NOTHING in the Bible has been proven false. Generation after generation for 3700 years have examined the Bible and found the Bible to be true for them and their generation. The story of Noah and the flood in the Bible is true story. Noah is a real historical person. Science does help us to better understand our Bible. We now know that the flood was not a world wide flood, but more of what people today would call a local flood. Having a better more accurate understanding of Noah and his story does not make the Bible any less true or any less accurate.

 

[Tiberius]

NOTHING in the Bible has been proven false.

Science has shown that the flood is impossible.

Generation after generation for 3700 years have examined the Bible and found the Bible to be true for them and their generation.

And lots of people have found it false. That's why not everyone on the planet is a Bible-believing Christian.

The story of Noah and the flood in the Bible is true story. Noah is a real historical person.

Got a source for this? Got a non-Biblical source supporting the existence of Noah?

Science does help us to better understand our Bible. We now know that the flood was not a world wide flood, but more of what people today would call a local flood. Having a better more accurate understanding of Noah and his story does not make the Bible any less true or any less accurate.

So when the Bible says a flood covered all the world, you change your interpretation to fit what science says, and then claim that the Bible was right all along?

 

[Gracchus]

So when the Bible says a flood covered all the world, you change your interpretation to fit what science says, and then claim that the Bible was right all along?

When you're too tired run, and too confused too hide, you may have to "modify" your position, but when when you get your breath back, or see another rock to crawl under, you can pretend that you never modified your position at all. Who cares if you can't convince anyone else, as long as you can convince yourself?

 

[Tiberius]

Exactly.

So, Jamin, am I to understand that your position is that nothing in the Bible has been proven false, provided that we are able to interpret the Bible in a flexible way so as to be consistent with science?

 

[dad]

We now know that the flood was not a world wide flood, but more of what people today would call a local flood. Having a better more accurate understanding of Noah and his story does not make the Bible any less true or any less accurate.

Lie.

 

[Jamin4422]

Science has shown that the flood is impossible.

Science has shown us that a WORLD wide flood is impossible. So that understanding is not accurate. Some people just get mixed up and confused and they have wrong ideas about the Bible. That makes them wrong. The Bible continues to be accurate and true.

 

[Jamin4422]

Lie.

So how did the Kangaroo in Australia get to the Ark in the Middle east? How did the American Buffalo get to the Middle east to Noah's Ark and then back to American again? How did the Blue footed Boobie Bird get from the[FONT=arial, sans-serif] Galapagos[/FONT] to the Middle east and back again after the flood? As well as many, many other species from all over the world.

 

[mzungu]

NOTHING in the Bible has been proven false. Generation after generation for 3700 years have examined the Bible and found the Bible to be true for them and their generation. The story of Noah and the flood in the Bible is true story. Noah is a real historical person. Science does help us to better understand our Bible. We now know that the flood was not a world wide flood, but more of what people today would call a local flood. Having a better more accurate understanding of Noah and his story does not make the Bible any less true or any less accurate.

Let us take a few examples of Biblical claims and see if they are true or not: Whales are fish and bats are fowl? Sorry but this is false.
The Earth is flat and the sun orbits the earth? Sorry but this is totally false.
Flowering plants appeared before light? False!

So already I have given you some of the Bible's claims that have been proven false. Now unless you believe the earth to be flat and the sun orbits the earth and whales are fish etc then you have to admit that the Bible has been shown to be in err.

 

[Tiberius]

Science has shown us that a WORLD wide flood is impossible. So that understanding is not accurate. Some people just get mixed up and confused and they have wrong ideas about the Bible. That makes them wrong. The Bible continues to be accurate and true.

Like I said, you reinterpret the Bible so you can say that it is true.

 

[Jamin4422]

So already I have given you some of the Bible's claims that have been proven false.

The only thing you have proven is you do not know what the Bible says. God continues to be true. The Bible continues to be true if you are willing to accept that or not.

 

[Jamin4422]

Like I said, you reinterpret the Bible so you can say that it is true.

2 Pet 1 20, 21 "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."[/FONT]

 

[mzungu]

The only thing you have proven is you do not know what the Bible says. God continues to be true. The Bible continues to be true if you are willing to accept that or not.

If you insist that the earth is flat and that the sun orbits the earth then I have nothing more to say to you!

 

[Jamin4422]

If you insist that the earth is flat and that the sun orbits the earth then I have nothing more to say to you!

That is not what the Bible says and you know that is not what the Bible says. You do not want to communicate because you do not want to know the truth. That is your choice. God gives you a choice and you are the one that has to decide if you want to know truth and allow the truth to set you free.

 

[dad]

So how did the Kangaroo in Australia get to the Ark in the Middle east?

Was it not in the ark first? Or whatever kind evolved rapidly into it? Then the continents separated....I see no problem.

How did the American Buffalo get to the Middle east to Noah's Ark and then back to American again?

The kind it came from hitched a ride on moving continents? What says science?

How did the Blue footed Boobie Bird get from the[FONT=arial, sans-serif] Galapagos[/FONT] to the Middle east and back again after the flood? As well as many, many other species from all over the world.

Did it fly? Or did it get wafted along on a rapidly moving Island or some such?

All Islands will be moved soon, that thing, if it is still around better get ready for another ride!!!!!!


Got any tough ones?

 

[Jamin4422]

Got any tough ones?

So you do believe in evolution then. Does that mean all the bones and fossils we find are less then 6,000 years old?

 

[Christian-Catholic]

If you insist that the earth is flat and that the sun orbits the earth then I have nothing more to say to you!

The Problem is that Atheists thought the earth was flat during the time that the old testament describes the earth as being a circle.



Isiah40:22 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell.

But then again Atheists abandon all reason and the scientific method when it goes against their worldview. A perfect case in point is the shroud of turin. This is why I have always believed that Atheism is an emotional worldview and not an intellectual one.

 

[Christian-Catholic]

That is not what the Bible says and you know that is not what the Bible says. You do not want to communicate because you do not want to know the truth. That is your choice. God gives you a choice and you are the one that has to decide if you want to know truth and allow the truth to set you free.

Amen

 

[TLK Valentine]

The Problem is that Atheists thought the earth was flat during the time that the old testament describes the earth as being a circle.

Actually, the problem is that the Ancient Greeks figured out the earth was round long before the Bible ever saw print -- unfortunately, many Christians prefer fables to facts.

But then again Atheists abandon all reason and the scientific method when it goes against their worldview. A perfect case in point is the shroud of turin.

Ah, you mean that ol' fraud?

Well, I guess after Christ's foreskin, the Virgin Mary's breast milk, and St. Peter's toenail clippings were debunked (or were they? hmmm...) the people need a new relic to gather around...

The Smart Set: The Family Jewels - December 7, 2009


Have faith, true believers! Word is, Jesus' umbilical cord is still out there somewhere...

 

[Christian-Catholic]

Actually, the problem is that the Ancient Greeks figured out the earth was round long before the Bible ever saw print -- unfortunately, many Christians prefer fables to facts.



Ah, you mean that ol' fraud?

Well, I guess after Christ's foreskin, the Virgin Mary's breast milk, and St. Peter's toenail clippings were debunked (or were they? hmmm...) the people need a new relic to gather around...

The Smart Set: The Family Jewels - December 7, 2009


Have faith, true believers! Word is, Jesus' umbilical cord is still out there somewhere...

You just proved my point. Instead of looking and researching the science and history of the shroud of turin, you bring a rediculous article about some relics that have nothing to do with it. But then again, unbelievers dont want anything to do with anything that will really make them thing lol. They instead will try to redicule it

These other relics dont have any peer reviewed research behind them, but the shroud of turin has hundreds of peer reviewed research papers on it, if you had bothered to look through the research, but why would anyone want to bother you with the facts .

Now, Please entertain us with the facts that show this to be a fraud please, and remember before you answer that I have studied the shroud for 3 years and I originally thought it was a fraud. This is usually where the pseudo skeptic will take a pass and completely ignore it. Or maybe you can redicule it by bringing up the image of Jesus on a sandwich.

Now you can make a complete fool of yourself
Ill be waiting

Oh also please show me where the ancient greeks knew the earth was round before the bible said it
Let me spare you the trouble. The ancient greeks started to theorize the earth was a sphere back in the 6th century bc but didnt fully come to a firm conclusion of the theory till 3rd century bc. Now open your eyes and do some research and tell us when the bible first said the earth was a sphere, and then you can admit to me that your wrong. For an agnostic you sure act like an atheist, as agnostics usually are a little more open minded and do some actual research. I have stuck my foot in my mouth many times but I am usually humble enough to admit it afterwords.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth