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[Neogaia777]

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Well do you truly want an explanation, or don't you...?

If so, see the linked post to just begin to start (ignore the title) and get back to me if you can, etc...

It was to another atheist who's thread disappeared but with whom I wanted to continue to reply to, as we were having a discussion about God in the OT, etc...

And it's just a "start", etc, so let me know after that if you truly want any more truly after that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[BeyondET]

I'm not adding drama - drowning is a scary and painful thing

Scary if your not wanting to die, painful no, emotions effected

 

[Treeplanter]

Thats not adding to the word on paper, and it is not a given for a being that has the power to make it so.

Scripture says absolutely nothing about God rendering the babies He drowned unconscious prior to drowning them

To suggest, in an effort to ameliorate His documented actions, that He did so is nothing short of adding to His word

 

[Treeplanter]

Well do you truly want an explanation, or don't you...?

If so, see the linked post to just begin to start (ignore the title) and get back to me if you can, etc...

It was to another atheist who's thread disappeared but with whom I wanted to continue to reply to, as we were having a discussion about God in the OT, etc...

And it's just a "start", etc, so let me know after that if you truly want any more truly after that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Treeplanter]

Well do you truly want an explanation, or don't you...?

If so, see the linked post to just begin to start (ignore the title) and get back to me if you can, etc...

It was to another atheist who's thread disappeared but with whom I wanted to continue to reply to, as we were having a discussion about God in the OT, etc...

And it's just a "start", etc, so let me know after that if you truly want any more truly after that, etc...

God Bless!

Oops, didn't realize it was a link!

 

[BeyondET]

Scripture says absolutely nothing about God rendering the babies He drowned unconscious prior to drowning them

To suggest, in an effort to ameliorate His documented actions, that He did so is nothing short of adding to His word

The reason that verse is there because of bibles like the NIV not because you say the Bible says it was painful and I don’t

 

[BeyondET]

There’s probably three ways I’d like to go, in my sleep or just pass out or drown since it is a acceptness of sorts.

 

[Treeplanter]

Well do you truly want an explanation, or don't you...?

If so, see the linked post to just begin to start (ignore the title) and get back to me if you can, etc...

It was to another atheist who's thread disappeared but with whom I wanted to continue to reply to, as we were having a discussion about God in the OT, etc...

And it's just a "start", etc, so let me know after that if you truly want any more truly after that, etc...

God Bless!

Alright, read your post and I must say - your position is not one that I would describe as remotely 'Christian'

In fact, I doubt any Christian on this forum would agree with your assessment that God was, at anytime, anything less than fully omniscient and omnipotent and perfect...

Assuming, though, that He was "learning on the job" {so to speak} - why in the world would you defend His immorality throughout the OT?

 

[Neogaia777]

I don't think God in the OT could not have wiped out all of them, without wiping out all of them, etc, and could not have truly started over 100% completely without wiping out all of them, etc...

They were also a/the race of the original Sons of God or Adam also, and the purpose of the flood was to genocide almost that complete entire race and/or wipe out all of them, etc...

Which would have included all of the women, and all of the babies, and all of the children, etc...

They had all become completely corrupt beyond compare, etc...

That entire race, etc...

At the time, He thought that He must absolutely start all over, etc...

Except for Noah and his family, etc...

Or at least that's what He would start all over with and/or from, etc...

Noah and His family, etc...

At the time, He thought all the rest had to, and must 100% completely absolutely go, etc...

But after that He vowed to never ever do it ever again, no matter how bad it got, and if He could not turn it around, and/or save them after that ever again, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Treeplanter]

There’s probably three ways I’d like to go, in my sleep or just pass out or drown since it is a acceptness of sorts.

I strongly suspect that you would immediately be rethinking your position should you ever find yourself drowning!

Whatever in the world makes you think that being denied air while your lungs fill with water is a peaceful death??

 

[BeyondET]

I strongly suspect that you would immediately be rethinking your position should you ever find yourself drowning!

Whatever in the world makes you think that being denied air while your lungs fill with water is a peaceful death??

Well I was hyperventilating just trying to sleep, had a bad heart valve doc was shocked I was still alive basically. may not be gasping for air underwater but it was quite a event lungs filling up with blood backing up but what ever life isn’t for ever physically

 

[Treeplanter]

I don't think God in the OT could not have wiped out all of them, without wiping out all of them, etc, and could not have truly started over 100% completely without wiping out all of them, etc...

They were also a/the race of the original Sons of God or Adam also, and the purpose of the flood was to genocide almost that complete entire race and/or wipe out all of them, etc...

Which would have included all of the women, and all of the babies, and all of the children, etc...

They had all become completely corrupt beyond compare, etc...

That entire race, etc...

At the time, He thought that He must absolutely start all over, etc...

Except for Noah and his family, etc...

Or at least that's what He would start all over with and/or from, etc...

Noah and His family, etc...

At the time, He thought all the rest had to, and must 100% completely absolutely go, etc...

But after that He vowed to never ever do it ever again, no matter how bad it got, and if He could not turn it around, and/or save them after that ever again, etc...

God Bless!

Babies, by definition, are incapable of being corrupt
Babies are entirely, 100% innocent

I'll give God the benefit of my doubt and trust that He took the babies to Heaven

What is not in any doubt whatsoever, though, is that God consciously and purposefully chose to drown these babies prior to resurrecting them to a better life/world - and He needn't have done so!

God could have saved and resurrected those babies WITHOUT drowning them

And, once again, to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral

 

[BeyondET]

Felt no pain from blood in the lungs basically drowning in my own blood.

 

[Neogaia777]

Alright, read your post and I must say - your position is not one that I would describe as remotely 'Christian'

In fact, I doubt any Christian on this forum would agree with your assessment that God was, at anytime, anything less than fully omniscient and omnipotent and perfect...

Assuming, though, that He was "learning on the job" {so to speak} - why in the world would you defend His immorality throughout the OT?

All the supposed "immorality" you would accuse Him of, was in part due to what He did not fully know from the very beginning, or was not 100% completely fully from the very beginning, etc...

And I know a lot of Christians just will just not probably ever accept it/this, but I thought maybe you guys, being much more logical and rational and reasonable maybe, and maybe not so steeped in dogma maybe, and maybe having little bit more "higher thoughts" maybe, maybe just "might" maybe, etc...

So I thought I'd try it on you guys for awhile, etc, after not having or seeing very much success with them, etc...

Worth a shot anyway, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Treeplanter]

Well I was hyperventilating just trying to sleep, had a bad heart valve doc was shocked I was still alive basically. may not be gasping for air underwater but it was quite a event lungs filling up with blood backing up but what ever life isn’t for ever physically

True - life isn't "forever"

How, though, does this morally justify God consciously and purposefully inflicting needless harm upon an innocent baby?

PS
Glad you pulled through!

 

[Treeplanter]

All the supposed "immorality" you would accuse Him of, was in part due to what He did not fully know from the very beginning, or was not 100% completely fully from the very beginning, etc...

And I know a lot of Christians just will just not probably ever accept it/this, but I thought maybe you guys, being much more logical and rational and reasonable maybe, and maybe not so steeped in dogma maybe, and maybe having little bit more "higher thoughts" maybe, maybe just "might" maybe, etc...

So I thought I'd try it on you guys for awhile, etc, after not having or seeing very much success with them, etc...

Worth a shot anyway, etc...

God Bless!

I find it interesting that you can believe in a God intelligent enough to design and create the whole of existence itself, but not intelligent enough to know that it's wrong to drown babies, own slaves, murder homosexuals, etc - i.e. all of the things that Jesus came later to admonish

 

[Neogaia777]

Babies, by definition, are incapable of being corrupt
Babies are entirely, 100% innocent

They were all of the race of the original Sons of God, and God chose to genocide them all at that time, etc, by completely flooding the region of all Mesopotamia, etc...

I'll give God the benefit of my doubt and trust that He took the babies to Heaven

I'm sure that all who were truly innocent went there, etc...

What is not in any doubt whatsoever, though, is that God consciously and purposefully chose to drown these babies prior to resurrecting them to a better life/world - and He needn't have done so!

How is that that you think you know this...? That He needn't have done so, etc...? What if there or were some limits to His power, or what He could or could not do, etc...?

God could have saved and resurrected those babies WITHOUT drowning them

Again, How is that that you think you know this...? That He needn't have done so, etc...? What if there or were some limits to His power, or what He could or could not do, etc...?

And, once again, to consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral

What if at the time it was needed, and/or was seen as absolutely necessary, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[BeyondET]

True - life isn't "forever"

How, though, does this morally justify God consciously and purposefully inflicting needless harm upon an innocent baby?

PS
Glad you pulled through!

In the physical they are hard questions to answer, why do babies suffer today a lot longer than just minutes are other questions I can agree but life in my opinion isn’t a random event by accident or chance

P.S.
Thank you doing great now

 

[Treeplanter]

In the physical they are hard questions to answer, why do babies suffer today a lot longer than just minutes are other questions I can agree but life in my opinion isn’t a random event by accident or chance

P.S.
Thank you doing great now

I honestly have no problem with God allowing bad things to happen
That's just part of life and were it not for sorrow we could never know joy

My issue is with God consciously and purposefully choosing to inflict needless harm upon us

 

[Neogaia777]

I find it interesting that you can believe in a God intelligent enough to design and create the whole of existence itself, but not intelligent enough to know that it's wrong to drown babies, own slaves, murder homosexuals, etc - i.e. all of the things that Jesus came later to admonish

I believe in a Trinity, etc, of which God in and of the OT is God the Spirit in that arrangement, etc...

And Jesus did not admonish homosexuals, etc...

And no one has truly done away with slavery yet, no, not one yet, etc...

And we've already discussed drowning babies, etc...

God Bless!