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God could have transported babies to Heaven painlessly - instead, He chose to harm them in the process

This was needless

To consciously and purposefully inflict needless harm is immoral

You are purposely saying babies was harmed,
 
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You don't trust in Christ?

Tell me right now that you do not trust in Christ and I will apologize for having the temerity to claim that I understand your views

Short of that, my claim stands

Married couples communicate - at least, they should
There is no communication where God and believer is concerned

Have you never heard of faith?
Do you breathe to live? Tell me right now you don't need to breathe to live and I'll apologize to you for having the temerity to claim that I understand your views.
 
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The bible explicitly says that God drowned the entire human race

Babies and children are a part of the human race

certainly doesn’t say they where all conscious of it specially babies. people drown while unconscious and never feel a thing.
 
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You know it's really kind of sad. It used to be atheists, true or not, right or wrong, often prided themselves on being the rational and logical ones. But more and more and more I see atheists relying on logical fallacies, pushing invalid arguments, unsound logic and appealing to emotionalism.
 
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Do you breathe to live? Tell me right now you don't need to breathe to live and I'll apologize to you for having the temerity to claim that I understand your views.
Either you trust in Christ or you don't

If you do, then I know your views
If you don't, then just say so and I'll concede that I have no idea what you believe
 
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Genesis 7:4
"and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made"

Ok and you add the drama as it was painful and horrible. the serious about it is this ant it
 
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certainly doesn’t say they where all conscious of it specially babies. people drown while unconscious and never feel a thing.
Doesn't scripture make clear, in multiple spots, that you are not to add nor subtract from The Word?
 
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You know it's really kind of sad. It used to be atheists, true or not, right or wrong, often prided themselves on being the rational and logical ones. But more and more and more I see atheists relying on logical fallacies, pushing invalid arguments, unsound logic and appealing to emotionalism.
It's a logical fallacy to withhold trust from a being that consciously and purposefully harms us without explanation?

It's an invalid argument to withhold trust from a being that consciously and purposefully harms us without explanation?

It's logically unsound to withhold trust from a being that consciously and purposefully harms us without explanation?

It's an appeal to emotionalism to withhold trust from a being that consciously and purposefully harms us without explanation?
 
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what did I say that added subtract? which is interesting the verse isn’t found in early writings.
Did you not suggest that the babies that were drowned were unconscious at the time?

Consciousness is the default state of mankind
Unless stated otherwise, it's a given that those who were drowned were aware of being drowned
 
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Did you not suggest that the babies that were drowned were unconscious at the time?

Consciousness is the default state of mankind
Unless stated otherwise, it's a given that those who were drowned were aware of being drowned

Thats not adding to the word on paper, and it is not a given for a being that has the power to make it so.
 
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