Transhumanism

[TLK Valentine]

You might not want to make a habit of editing your posts after they've been responded to -- it makes you look disingenuous, and I'm sure that is not your intention.

First you use Bible to describe Christ as existant, than you use the Bible to describe Him as non-existant.

Not at all. I believe Jesus existed, but the stories are exaggerated, as stories often are.

As for Moses and his people, '40 years' seems logical, as it describes a generation.

40 years to make a journey that would take three weeks on foot. Logical indeed.

Give me an example of Jesus' stories that aren't in any way original.

Done and done.

So, you do approve of the Japanese overuse of technology?

I don't consider it overuse.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm all for. Roll on the singularity!

"We are all one in Christ Jesus"... seems that Christians were the original transhumanists...

 

[TLK Valentine]

No, the person whom you mentioned wasn't Christ (the Savior, etc.), so you do relativize matters.

Do you know what an "analogy" is?

(Libertarianism is in an ideological crisis these days, so you guys are stuck with relativizations, you don't have anything to cling on...so you come up with bionics, and technology gods etc.)

Your contempt is noted.

You cannot deny that culture sprang out of religion, can you? You agreed that some parts of the Bible were written much earlier than the Babylon era, didn't you?

Oh, you meant in general, did you? Apologies; your train of thought is difficult to follow at times...

religion is absolutely one of the cornerstones of any culture, but far from the only one. SO your attempt to conflate technology with religious worship would make an interesting analogy... if only you believed in analogies...

...alas, relativizing isn't helpful here, and you relativize.

 

[just a believing guy]

Oy vey.... where to begin?

How about his father? (His Earthly father, that is -- Joseph)

There's no mention of him chronologically in the stories until we get to Matthew, and when he is mentioned, we learn that he is the son of Jacob, he receives warnings from God only through his dreams, and he rescues his family by taking them into Egypt.

Sound familiar? Genesis 37, perhaps?

Also, it was one of Joseph's brothers -- Judah -- who literally sells out Joseph for twenty pieces of silver. Not to be outdone, in the New Testament, Jesus gets sold out by Judas (the Romanized spelling of Judah) for thirty pieces.

Jesus raised people from the dead and made food appear to feed his people. Elisha did the same in 1 Kings 16-17.

History repeats itself, historic recurrence, divine recurrence.

Egypt was a safe country back then, what can I say.

 

[TLK Valentine]

History repeats itself, historic recurrence, divine recurrence.

Egypt was a safe country back then, what can I say.

So we agree that the stories aren't original. Although "Divine recurrence" is a good one -- it's not the authors who are recycling old storylines, it's God, amirite?

 

[just a believing guy]

Do you know what an "analogy" is?



Your contempt is noted.



Oh, you meant in general, did you? Apologies; your train of thought is difficult to follow at times...

religion is absolutely one of the cornerstones of any culture, but far from the only one. SO your attempt to conflate technology with religious worship would make an interesting analogy... if only you believed in analogies...

...alas, relativizing isn't helpful here, and you relativize.

Analogy is analogy is a form of comparing, isn't it.

How many cornerstones does culture have?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Analogy is analogy is a form of comparing, isn't it.

very good!

How many cornerstones does culture have?

What does the rule book say?

 

[just a believing guy]

So we agree that the stories aren't original. Although "Divine recurrence" is a good one -- it's not the authors who are recycling old storylines, it's God, amirite?

They are original because the circumstances in which they appear are different.

Otherwise, if God wants to touch the souls of many, he would use the old recepy, wouldn't He?

 

[just a believing guy]

You might not want to make a habit of editing your posts after they've been responded to -- it makes you look disingenuous, and I'm sure that is not your intention.





Not at all. I believe Jesus existed, but the stories are exaggerated, as stories often are.



40 years to make a journey that would take three weeks on foot. Logical indeed.




Done and done.



I don't consider it overuse.

They are not stories, they are history. They even found the place that Jesus might have been working from sunset till sundown as a stone mason, about 10 miles away from Nazareth.

40 years to remember for millenia. staff edit

More and more people can't stand the technology in Japan anymore, they are moving to the countryside.

 

[just a believing guy]

So we agree that the stories aren't original. Although "Divine recurrence" is a good one -- it's not the authors who are recycling old storylines, it's God, amirite?

Well, God through authors.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They are original because the circumstances in which they appear are different.

The settings are different, the plot remains the same.

Stop me if you heard this one:

Once upon a time there was a boy with a great destiny, but he didn't know it. His parents were kind of special, but he never knew them. He was taken away from his real family as an infant for his own protection. Until one day, a crazy old wizard showed up at his door and offered to take him away to a special place where he would eventually learn to become the hero he was destined to be. Wouldn't you know it? That's exactly what happened! The boy grew up to be a hero, and, even though the crazy old wizard who taught him was long gone, the boy (now a man) still managed to save the day from the big bad evil he was quite literally born to vanquish.

Now -- who's the boy?

Original stories, you say? I think not.

Otherwise, if God wants to touch the souls of many, he would use the old recepy, wouldn't He?

I remember back when we had free will, before we were characters in His Narrative.

 

[TLK Valentine]

They are not stories, they are history.

Riiiight.... and Betsy Ross designed the American Flag, Christopher Columbus proved the Earth was round, and George Washington threw a silver dollar across the Potomac.

They even found the place that Jesus might have been working from sunset till sundown as a stone mason, about 10 miles away from Nazareth.

Stonemason? Odd for a carpenter... one of the lowest forms of day laborer.

But I'm sure it might have been the spot.


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More and more people can't stand the technology in Japan anymore, they are moving to the countryside.

Well, that's a matter of personal preference, isn't it? People move out of the city all the time to "get away from it all."

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, God through authors.

God. Unless you're saying the events didn't actually happen as the authors wrote them...

 

[just a believing guy]

The settings are different, the plot remains the same.

Stop me if you heard this one:

Once upon a time there was a boy with a great destiny, but he didn't know it. His parents were kind of special, but he never knew them. He was taken away from his real family as an infant for his own protection. Until one day, a crazy old wizard showed up at his door and offered to take him away to a special place where he would eventually learn to become the hero he was destined to be. Wouldn't you know it? That's exactly what happened! The boy grew up to be a hero, and, even though the crazy old wizard who taught him was long gone, the boy (now a man) still managed to save the day from the big bad evil he was quite literally born to vanquish.

Now -- who's the boy?

Original stories, you say? I think not.




I remember back when we had free will, before we were characters in His Narrative.

These are Celtic and Germanic motifs, probably imported from the Roman converts to Christianity.

 

[just a believing guy]

Riiiight.... and Betsy Ross designed the American Flag, Christopher Columbus proved the Earth was round, and George Washington threw a silver dollar across the Potomac.




Stonemason? Odd for a carpenter... one of the lowest forms of day laborer.

But I'm sure it might have been the spot.



Insult noted.



Well, that's a matter of personal preference, isn't it? People move out of the city all the time to "get away from it all."

Stonemasons were building Roman fashioned villas, remember that.

No, it's not a matter of personal preference, it is a matter of their religious and social inheritance (Emperor=God). They have had enough of it. As soon as they move out of Japan, they become reborn, as it were.

 

[just a believing guy]

God. Unless you're saying the events didn't actually happen as the authors wrote them...

I don't follow you...elaborate pls.

 

[CrystalDragon]

They are not stories, they are history. They even found the place that Jesus might have been working from sunset till sundown as a stone mason, about 10 miles away from Nazareth.

40 years to remember for millenia. (See how superficial you atheisto-agnosics are?)

More and more people can't stand the technology in Japan anymore, they are moving to the countryside.

I wonder though, why haven't they been able to determine where it was Jesus was buried? The crucifixion and resurrection were such an important thing I would think it would be easy to find, though people only say "it might have been one of these three".

 

[Khalliqa]

First heard of transhumanism from a potential date lol.. Very interested in advanced genetic manipulation/mutation.. especially in the areas of medicine.. not so in favor of the merging of metal and flesh though.. nightmares of the borg

 

[just a believing guy]

I wonder though, why haven't they been able to determine where it was Jesus was buried? The crucifixion and resurrection were such an important thing I would think it would be easy to find, though people only say "it might have been one of these three".

The Romans might have ''taken care of it''.

 

[TLK Valentine]

These are Celtic and Germanic motifs, probably imported from the Roman converts to Christianity.

Otherwise, how do you explain the same innovations seeing the light of day on completely different parts of the Globe at the same time?

Which innovations are you referring to?