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Transcript of Kirk's killer's messages has been revealed

Larniavc

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Perhaps you understand Tyler Robinson better than his own mother and father???
Almost certainly given the clear generational and cultural divide in attitudes between them.
 
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It's too bad you don't want to examine why young men are turning to murder as a solution. These men are shooting up churchs, synogages, politicians and the children in our schools....
I already know what the root problem is. A lack of the Fear of the Lord.
 
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To my understanding non-binary is transgender. If someone who at birth was assigned woman or man based on their sex are now saying they are not woman or man but non-binary, they would be transgender. What gender do you see a non-binary person as? I really don't understand your position. How I understand transgender they would be either, woman, non-binary or agender (assuming they would be have assigned as man).

So woefully uninformed then.
One, you are not assigned a sex at birth. Doctors merely note the sex you are. They don't agonized over what sex the child should be. They don't roll a dice or flip a coin. They don't see a child and agonize over the decision is that a boy or a girl? They recognize what sex of the child is and say so.

Non-binary is a decision a person makes not to identify with either sex. They are neither male nor female and do not identify with gender roles or typical gender "rules", so to speak. It is a decision of a person of a specific biological sex not to identify exclusively as a man or a woman.

Transgender is a person of a specific biological sex who believes they are rhe opposite sex inside. They were born in the wrong body. They should have been the opposite sex biologically. Which of course is impossible. You are either male or female. And if you believe you are the opposite sex you have a mental illness.

Actual gender does not exist. Gender is simply a word that was developed to use instead of the word sex. You can insert sex into every sentence with the word gender. Gender roles are references to roles based upon biological.sex. gender expectations are based upon expectations of biological sex. Its an impossibility to actually be the opposite sex or opposite gender.

That doesn't mean people can't have an illness that causes them to believe they are. We have all kinds of illnesses that cause people to believe things that are not based in reality. Schezophrenia, Delusional disorders, bi-polar disorders etc. Transgender people suffer from the same types of things. A disorder that causes them to believe something that is not real.
 
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The only person killed in that event was a conservative, and liberals vilified her and celebrated her death too. When are you going to get the clue that J6 what about ism is not going to work anymore? The country is done with it.
I’m not talking to “the country” right now, am I? I’m talking to specific individuals here on this message board.

The only reason any of you are “done with it” is because it makes your side look bad and undermines your sanctimony.

Why should the government pay for any cosmetic surgery?

Because the government is a provider of health insurance to a lot of people and lots of cosmetic corrective procedures are covered by insurance.

I would disagree with us oaying for a boob job or a face-lift too.

What about cleft palate correction? That’s cosmetic, too.

Yes and you'll notice i didn't defend them. I called them crazies. I didnt say it was okay to "chant". I didnt offer excuses for them.

And you'll also note that NO ONE WAS KILLED. The fact you cant seem to understand that is problematic. If they actually had killed someone i would be so angry at them and wouldnt even remotely defend such actions. I wouldn't offer any excuses like the left is doing right now and I wouldn't be celebrating it.
The only reason they didn’t have the chance to kill anybody is because some doors were barricaded and once they were breached and the woman at the vanguard took a bullet, the rest got the hint.

They didn’t not kill anybody because they were virtuous and forgiving. They didn’t kill anybody because they got beaten back.
 
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So woefully uninformed then.
One, you are not assigned a sex at birth. Doctors merely note the sex you are. They don't agonized over what sex the child should be. They don't roll a dice or flip a coin. They don't see a child and agonize over the decision is that a boy or a girl? They recognize what sex of the child is and say so.

Non-binary is a decision a person makes not to identify with either sex. They are neither male nor female and do not identify with gender roles or typical gender "rules", so to speak. It is a decision of a person of a specific biological sex not to identify exclusively as a man or a woman.

Transgender is a person of a specific biological sex who believes they are rhe opposite sex inside. They were born in the wrong body. They should have been the opposite sex biologically. Which of course is impossible. You are either male or female. And if you believe you are the opposite sex you have a mental illness.

Actual gender does not exist. Gender is simply a word that was developed to use instead of the word sex. You can insert sex into every sentence with the word gender. Gender roles are references to roles based upon biological.sex. gender expectations are based upon expectations of biological sex. Its an impossibility to actually be the opposite sex or opposite gender.

That doesn't mean people can't have an illness that causes them to believe they are. We have all kinds of illnesses that cause people to believe things that are not based in reality. Schezophrenia, Delusional disorders, bi-polar disorders etc. Transgender people suffer from the same types of things. A disorder that causes them to believe something that is not real.
Non-binary means that a person is so confused that they dont even know if they have a penis or a vagina.
 
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Maybe we can give lobotomies to people with gender dysphoria?
I didn't know that there was such a thing as a "medical nonsequitor".
By chance, do you know what it means when something is classified as a "disorder"?
Seems more humane than genital mutilation but just as unnecessary, unethical, and absurd.
1) If it works it's not unnecessary Oompa.
2) Take some steps back and you'd realize that the treatment for gender dysphoria is pretty dang far from "Absurd".

There is a fundamental misunderstanding that with mental health disorders, you can just STOP them. That you can take a medication and poof. It's gone.

Doesn't happen. At best they just tend to minimize symptoms and the impact that the disorder has on your life.

So what TREATMENT do you expect people with gender dysphoria to receive that you think is the RIGHT treatment? I mean, let's pretend doctors didn't know what to do and they came to you for answers....
 
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Non-binary means that a person is so confused that they dont even know if they have a penis or a vagina.
IT's funny when a person speaks confidently but doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
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I’m not talking to “the country” right now, am I? I’m talking to specific individuals here on this message board.

The only reason any of you are “done with it” is because it makes your side look bad and undermines your sanctimony.
No. I am done with it because the liberal left has been literally using it to getaway with murder and promoting a permissive structure for murder. Not anymore.
 

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If he thinks men can become women, he's denying the science of genetics and DNA.
So is someone who has gene therapy for cystic fibrosis a denier of genetics and biology?
 
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The left has created an environment of permission structures for political violence. And now people, even many on their side are seeing it.
That’s a Ben Shapiro talking point if ever there was.
 
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So woefully uninformed then.
One, you are not assigned a sex at birth. Doctors merely note the sex you are. They don't agonized over what sex the child should be. They don't roll a dice or flip a coin. They don't see a child and agonize over the decision is that a boy or a girl? They recognize what sex of the child is and say so.
Sometimes they do actually.
 
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Almost certainly given the clear generational and cultural divide in attitudes between them.
IMO, it is an egotistical point of view to believe you understand a man you have never met better than his own mother and father.
 
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No. I am done with it because the liberal left has been literally using it to getaway with murder and promoting a permissive structure for murder. Not anymore.
QFTW
 
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No it doesn't. No one is being wiped out and no one is stopping them from being trans. In fact no one is stopping adults from gender-affirming medicalization. The science on this is clear. Gender affirming medicalization has not been proven to be effective. But adults still have access.

The only stoppage has been for children. And there are legitimate
, medical and scientific reasons to do so. Thus has been pointed out ad nauseum. Once a child has reached adulthood and still wants to transition medically they can.

You are oart of the problem when you say such nonsense. This is why people take this stuff and go shoot someone because when you say they are effectively being erased its effectively a genocide, then you have put people in the crosshairs of an assassins bullet.
Amen.
 
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Disturbing....

Columnist David French writes:

On Friday, Kevin Wallsten, a political science professor at California State, Long Beach, wrote in The Wall Street Journal about the disturbing findings of a study he conducted. Luckily, Wallsten found, nearly 80 percent of Americans still believe that violence is “never acceptable” to stop free speech. Sadly, this percentage goes down in every generation — 93 percent of baby boomers and 86 percent of Gen X-ers reject violence, but only 71 percent of millennials and 58 percent of Gen Z-ers agree.

This statistic helps explain why there were people who actually celebrated Kirk’s death — they have rejected free speech so thoroughly that they were happy to see a bullet stop a conversation. They believe Kirk’s words merited a violent response and relished in the deadly results. The texts of the shooting suspect — in which he allegedly told his roommate, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out” — suggest that he was one such person.


 
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