TransAge

[Darren Court]

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say instead: People are usually born recognizably as either Male or Female, but a few people have exceptional cases that are recocognizably difficult to discern?

Why can't we just say this rather than over-extending labels and multiplying unnatural concepts regarding one's biological sex? Why can't we all just have compassion for folks who are having difficulties and disorders with sexual identity?

If we were humanist else restricted to human logic, you'd be absolutely right.
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If we believe in the God of the bible, we primarily accept He knows better and His word makes it clear what is natural and unnatural and what is sinful and what is not. This is not our judgement but His.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If we were humanist else restricted to human logic, you'd be absolutely right.
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If we believe in the God of the bible, we primarily accept He knows better and His word makes it clear what is natural and unnatural and what is sinful and what is not. This is not our judgement but His.

Yes, of course. If the Lord is our Creator, then He knows better. I heartily agree. BUT, since the Bible doesn't address various congenital conditions that, although rare, make it difficult for specific individuals to have conciliance within their individual psychology (take a hermaphrodite, for example), then the situation isn't so clear cut.

So, no, one does NOT need to be a Humanist (of which I am not) in order to discern those few individuals who have congenital issues that affect their sexual identification. And my saying as such does not then by any logic place me as an ally of the LGBTQ+ political camp. It simply becomes a complicated issue for us to discuss and over which to apply compassion to those individuals who are distressed by where they find themselves in making sense of "who" and "what" they are in this world.

Moreover, don't miss the question that I asked the other interlocutor: Why can't we just say this rather than over-extending labels and multiplying unnatural concepts regarding one's biological sex?

 

[dzheremi]

No, I’m saying that human rights trump religious determinations of rights. A statement you’d agree with very much if you lived somewhere that it wasn’t your religion determining the rights.

And you know this because...? I don't think I've ever interacted with you before this thread, so I have a hard time accepting your categorization of what I would think.

Besides, what you describe is exactly how my Church already lives (not me personally, since I'm not in Egypt, Syria, etc.), and it hasn't made us any less committed to traditional Christian anthropology (not secular human rights campaigns), while still claiming human rights from a Christian perspective -- i.e., rights rooted in God, not in the changing ideological fashions of any given society.

You’d be far less amenable to faith superseding basic human rights if the offshoot of Traditional Dianic Paganism took over and said “you’re a man therefore you are less important to society to women and your rights will reflect that.”

Plenty of idiots already think like this without Dianic Paganism or whatever 'taking over' anything, so what're you gonna do? It's nothing to get upset about. I pity people who think like this.

Or if the Atheists took power and said bank and federal holidays will no longer be determined by the Christian worship calendar.

Oof...you got me...I care so much about bank holidays being determined by a calendar I don't even follow (the Coptic Orthodox Church uses the Egyptian calendar, not the Western one, so dates very rarely line up). This is what would definitely set me off.

Or if those who follow traditional Islam said that we’re going to structure grocery stores like they do in the east, where non-religiously appropriate food is not carried or stuffed in a sequestered part of the store and if you buy those products, you must use a different cashier and exit a different door in the back.

Yeah, the Coptic Orthodox Church sure knows nothing about living under Islam... Please, tell me more what that would be like! I don't have anyone else who can tell me! You're my source of 'insider knowledge', O Tropical Wilds! How can I shop at a Middle Eastern grocery store?!

I'd write to whatever authority granted you your degree in mind reading and ask for my $2.99 back, if I were you. You're clearly quite bad at it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The basis of this idea is, I assert my thoughts, therefore it is true.

Looks like things will go even further in this direction.

So can people say after experiencing trauma: my transage is 12, so I want to go back into state funded child care.

no idea, it's just really out there.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

And you know this because...? I don't think I've ever interacted with you before this thread, so I have a hard time accepting your categorization of what I would think.

Besides, what you describe is exactly how my Church already lives (not me personally, since I'm not in Egypt, Syria, etc.), and it hasn't made us any less committed to traditional Christian anthropology (not secular human rights campaigns), while still claiming human rights from a Christian perspective -- i.e., rights rooted in God, not in the changing ideological fashions of any given society.


Plenty of idiots already think like this without Dianic Paganism or whatever 'taking over' anything, so what're you gonna do? It's nothing to get upset about. I pity people who think like this.


Oof...you got me...I care so much about bank holidays being determined by a calendar I don't even follow (the Coptic Orthodox Church uses the Egyptian calendar, not the Western one, so dates very rarely line up). This is what would definitely set me off.


Yeah, the Coptic Orthodox Church sure knows nothing about living under Islam... Please, tell me more what that would be like! I don't have anyone else who can tell me! You're my source of 'insider knowledge', O Tropical Wilds! How can I shop at a Middle Eastern grocery store?!

I'd write to whatever authority granted you your degree in mind reading and ask for my $2.99 back, if I were you. You're clearly quite bad at it.

Well, I appear to have struck quite the nerve, LoL. Seems as if my point got through to the intended audience.

 

[dzheremi]

Well, I appear to have struck quite the nerve, LoL. Seems as if my point got through to the intended audience.

If by 'got through to' you mean 'got laughed at and dismissed', then yes. Yes it did.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If by 'got through to' you mean 'got laughed at and dismissed', then yes. Yes it did.

Clearly. I know I write paragraph upon paragraph of things I dismiss.

 

[dzheremi]

Don't flatter yourself. Most of my posts are paragraphs after paragraphs no matter what they're about.

 

[FireDragon76]

I'm with you on the outrage farming, imo modern journos have done more damage to their own credibility than any outside force through their usage of tweets as sources in order to write an article. However, you're fundamentally missing the point with this quote above. The issue is not that people will marry their pets or cars, it's that the justification used for homosexuality also allowed for this behaviour. If I was to suggest to you instead of these spurious examples something like polygamy, how would argue against it if I was to use the same justification for homosexual marriage? Namely that 'love is love' or 'a preference for sodomy is genetic like heterosexual intercourse and therefore homosexuals are the same as heterosexuals'. The entire foundation for justifying moral sexual behaviour is demolished and your calling it 'pearl-clutching' instead of seeing the issue at hand that this 'pearl-clutching' represents does nothing but exacerbate the intensity of the discourse by dismissing points of view instead of saying why they're wrong.

The justification for homosexuality came from the lived experience of gay and lesbian people themselves, it was not imposed on culture, but came from within it.

 

[FireDragon76]

Society is being programmed to accept the whole trans ball of wax. So if a 50 year old man decides he's a 10 year old girl, he'll probably be able to join the Girl Scouts or a Girl's junior swim team.

Also the whole idea of blurring or eliminating the social constructs regarding age, is a pedophile's dream come true.

Society isn't being programmed. It isn't a machine.

You are talking about a tiny minority of the population that would have such extreme views, less than 5 percent.

People are being manipulated here, and it's not a "trans agenda" doing it. It's powerful interests that are interested in seeing Americans at war with each other.

 

[ozso]

Society isn't being programmed. It isn't a machine.

You are talking about a tiny minority of the population that would have such extreme views, less than 5 percent.

People are being manipulated here, and it's not a "trans agenda" doing it. It's powerful interests that are interested in seeing Americans at war with each other.

It always starts out as a tiny percent it'll never happen, and then it's everywhere.

 

[FireDragon76]

It always starts out as a tiny percent it'll never happen, and then it's everywhere.

Thats' a slippery slope argument.

Intellectual fads come and go. With the rise of metamodernism, I doubt very much people are going to accept the notion that things like age and gender are purely arbitrary. "Socially constructed" doesn't mean arbitrary, and I think influencers both the Left and Right are throwing around terms they don't really understand, to advance an agenda that most people would otherwise never agree to, unless somehow they weren't confused or scared into doing so.

Intractable controversy about a supposed clash of "values" makes them money and is a distraction. Trans people are nothing new, they've been around for decades, until basically the news decided that covering the aftermath of the Great Recession was too boring and not worth the bother. That's why so many wealthy oligarchs are backing news outlets that cover this particular "culture war". As Lyndon Johnson pointed out decades ago, if you can convince the masses that a minority is a threat, it's easier to pick their pocket.

 

[ozso]

Thats' a slippery slope argument.

Intellectual fads come and go. With the rise of metamodernism, I doubt very much people are going to accept the notion that things like age and gender are purely arbitrary. "Socially constructed" doesn't mean arbitrary, and I think influencers both the Left and Right are throwing around terms they don't really understand, to advance an agenda that most people would otherwise never agree to, unless somehow they weren't confused or scared into doing so.

Intractable controversy about a supposed clash of "values" makes them money and is a distraction. Trans people are nothing new, they've been around for decades, until basically the news decided that covering the aftermath of the Great Recession was too boring and not worth the bother. That's why so many wealthy oligarchs are backing news outlets that cover this particular "culture war". As Lyndon Johnson pointed out decades ago, if you can convince the masses that a minority is a threat, it's easier to pick their pocket.

When it comes to the convoluted and expanding trans issue, the slippery slope hasn't been a fallacy. The goal of LGBTQQIP2SAA+ is the inclusion of anything and everything, a total free-for-all.

 

[IceJad]

Ignoring that age and the benefits associated with it is, in fact, a social construct and two articles from questionable sources does not a trend make… So people say they feel an age different than their chronological age. Who cares? Laws are written to chronological age from birth, not perceptive age from beliefs, mindsets, or other constructs. The age a person feels literally has no impact on anybody but said person.

He is merely highlight a growing trend of turning accepted biological norms into malleable abstracts. I remember it was not too long ago people say accepting transgender won't affect the law written and how society will function. Now there are rules and law forbidding people from not accepting transgenders according to their personal identification. So we have cases where transwomen (who still have functioning male genital) raping biological women in prison, transgirl walking into girls changing rooms and assaulting the girls and many more cases. All because the law changed to accommodate the desecration of social norms.

You may say the transage will amount to nothing, the same was thought about transgender less than 20 years ago. Don't dismiss a person's opinion solely because you think the possibility is low.

 

[ozso]

Ignoring that age and the benefits associated with it is, in fact, a social construct and two articles from questionable sources does not a trend make… So people say they feel an age different than their chronological age. Who cares? Laws are written to chronological age from birth, not perceptive age from beliefs, mindsets, or other constructs. The age a person feels literally has no impact on anybody but said person.

What are you talking about? Gender is already being eliminated at birth. And it's being accepted that men can become pregnant and give birth. Inmates in women only prisons are impregnating other inmates, something that used to be impossible. Next to come is that like gender, age can't be defined and a person is whatever they identify as being.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Hillsdale - This has very, very good information how Critical Race Theory and Gender Ideology have the same end game a year ago:

 

[Wings like Eagles]

Irreversible Damage:

 

[Aldebaran]

What are you talking about? Gender is already being eliminated at birth. And it's being accepted that men can become pregnant and give birth. Inmates in women only prisons are impregnating other inmates, something that used to be impossible. Next to come is that like gender, age can't be defined and a person is whatever they identify as being.

It's already happening: The mechanic who transitioned to a 6-year-old girl | MercatorNet

There seems to be no limit to the absurdity people can see as reality, and will still label those of us who are sane as being the insane.

 

[ozso]

It's already happening: The mechanic who transitioned to a 6-year-old girl | MercatorNet

There seems to be no limit to the absurdity people can see as reality, and will still label those of us who are sane as being the insane.

"Stefonknee (pronounced Stephanie) doesn’t look like a six-year-old girl, even in the frilly dress. She is heavy-set, about six-feet tall and has a deep voice. But likes colouring in and playing with dolls with other children."

That explains it.

 

[Aldebaran]

"Stefonknee (pronounced Stephanie) doesn’t look like a six-year-old girl, even in the frilly dress. She is heavy-set, about six-feet tall and has a deep voice. But likes colouring in and playing with dolls with other children."

That explains it.

Another instance of a guy who needs serious mental treatment, but instead ends up around young children.