Traducianism

[ArmyMatt]

Severus of Antioch was a Myaphisite NOT a Nestorian , or monoenergist

I know that is what he would say, but St Maximos the confessor and Severus' own writings concerning the incarnate Lord say otherwise

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

I think human cloning is evil, but really you're just creating a genetic twin of the original person. So, why wouldn't that person have their own unique spirit like identical twins each have their own unique spirits?

 

[Taom Ben Robert]

I know that is what he would say, but St Maximos the confessor and Severus' own writings concerning the incarnate Lord say otherwise

And I have read both

 

[~Anastasia~]

I think human cloning is evil, but really you're just creating a genetic twin of the original person. So, why wouldn't that person have their own unique spirit like identical twins each have their own unique spirits?

It would depend on where spirits come from, I suppose. Which was the question of the thread.

 

[ArmyMatt]

And I have read both

and St Maximos says they are Nestorian, and Severus' two self subsisting hypostases in Christ is Nestorian.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

I don't know. A while ago I watched a movie called Never Let Me Go which was about clones. They were being used as spare parts for real people. They would give "donations" of their organs until - they died. It was okay to do this to the clones because they supposedly had no souls. I found it to be a horrifying movie.

 

[~Anastasia~]

I don't know. A while ago I watched a movie called Never Let Me Go which was about clones. They were being used as spare parts for real people. They would give "donations" of their organs until - they died. It was okay to do this to the clones because they supposedly had no souls. I found it to be a horrifying movie.

Opens up a terrible can of worms.

First I agree that it's a horrifying thought.

But if souls come only from God, and clones have no souls, then it would mean the creation of soul-less beings. Which is horrible. But I don't think that justifies cutting them apart alive or torturing them. Animals don't have human souls, and it is still a terrible thing to torture them. And one would assume the clones still have human brains, so it is potentially more terrible to them to BE tortured than it is for animals.

And if souls came in as a biological consequence, or if God gave them anyway, then one is devaluing not only the biological life and mental suffering of the clones, but destroying the body of a human soul as well.

Was it a horror movie? Sounds like it should be. Bottom line is that I don't believe we have any rights to do any such thing. The closer we come to being able to actually do it, the more terrible.

 

[ZaidaBoBaida]

No, it wasn't a horror movie. It was very serious. But, seriously, how do you decide if someone has no soul? I'm hoping God will just stop a human clone from ever being viable.

 

[~Anastasia~]

No, it wasn't a horror movie. It was very serious. But, seriously, how do you decide if someone has no soul? I'm hoping God will just stop a human clone from ever being viable.

I don't know.

My mind used to run to a lot of fantasy. I wrote many novels and created many movies in my head, lol. That was certainly a theme that used to interest me.

We cannot measure a soul in any way that we know. If it ever becomes reality, the answer may become apparent, somehow, in ways we do not know. And there is where the horror movies come in.

I could wish mankind would have the wisdom to consider whether or not we OUGHT to do a thing, just because we CAN do it. But unfortunately, our track record demonstrates otherwise.