Torture

[chriscim]

I read an article on CNN indicating that Christians believe torture in the interest of national security is okay at a higher rate than non-Christians. This doesn't surprise me and I'm sure some who are reading this believe torture is okay.

I'll tell you where this comes from. A large part of sincere US Christians align themselves with the Republican party, feeling that it best represents their Christian beliefs. That's fine, but I think in doing so, we sometimes adopt ALL of the values of that party.

Face it, the Republican Party is as much a worldly entity as the Democratic Party. They both believe and do many things that are at odds with the Christian Faith. We are called to come out of the world. Don't let a political party influence your beliefs. Zero percent of Christians should be in favor of torture just as zero percent should be in favor of abortion.

Chris

 

[revrobor]

I read an article on CNN indicating that Christians believe torture in the interest of national security is okay at a higher rate than non-Christians. This doesn't surprise me and I'm sure some who are reading this believe torture is okay.

I'll tell you where this comes from. A large part of sincere US Christians align themselves with the Republican party, feeling that it best represents their Christian beliefs. That's fine, but I think in doing so, we sometimes adopt ALL of the values of that party.

Face it, the Republican Party is as much a worldly entity as the Democratic Party. They both believe and do many things that are at odds with the Christian Faith. We are called to come out of the world. Don't let a political party influence your beliefs. Zero percent of Christians should be in favor of torture just as zero percent should be in favor of abortion.

Chris

Your first mistake is believing anything CNN prints of broadcasts. Don't forget Ted Turner is an atheist.

 

[The LORD's Minstrel]

We are called to come out of the world.

I llike that part right there.
The rest was just plan torture.J/K LOL Come on laugh,I made a funny.LOL


Anyways,as a christian I DO NOT support torture. As Christians we better not support torture.Because Jesus was tortured and murdered.Because I got news -> when we dont forgive people then thats a form of torture to that person who we didnt forgive.

 

[chriscim]

Hmmm, I posed the same message elsewhere and had Christians argue that torture is okay, so I'm gonna have to believe that the survey is accurate to some extent.

 

[The LORD's Minstrel]

Hmmm, I posed the same message elsewhere and had Christians argue that torture is okay, so I'm gonna have to believe that the survey is accurate to some extent.

Well maybe you might want to rethink creating certain topics,if they are bringing Christians to argue,let alone its bringing Christians to argue about Torture.

 

[startrekfan1]

I for one am against torture of any sort, I do not want to harm another human being.

 

[mini21]

I would rather BE tortured than torture someone or see someone being tortured.

 

[Angelwings_2009]

Well even though I turned 18, I personally don't stand with either political party mostly because I find both even though most Christians are republic as well as big buniness owners. Some are only in certain parties for repuations but in a sense comprise what they feel best represents them.


I think I have to do some research on them but I pretty much know which one I will go with. But as far as abortion me, personally I wouldn't want to see the apporval for that pass. But, seeing that they world isn't getting close to God if anything it's getting farther away. I feel I would rather see a young 16 year old go to an actual clinic and get an abortion instead of having an abortion done somewhere in a dark alley by someone who doesn't really know what they truly doing, and no recieve the care and everything they need and end up dying or getting HIV or something from tools that weren't cleaned and santized or something. But it would be nice that it wasn't legalized , but either way, it probably will be, not to say I agree with it but just saying.

I personally don't believe in toture, I don't beleive it's right. It's one thing to punish a person, whether it's jail,life in prision or death penalty but it's one thing to toture and another to punish even though I am for and against the dealth penalty because the system is so messed up that it's unreal in a perfect world of course it would work but so far away from it, that it's sad. But the world is the opposite of God though so it makes sense.

 

[Nurbz]

its because they're party members first and christians second, like the majority of public politicos that call themselves christians. politicial parties are best to be avoided as they can easily become like cults. They talk about morals when harassing gays, but defend torture and support a candidate with a dark background and multiple divorces simply because of 'spiritual reasons', and themselves have their own sexual adventures.

"What would jesus do... to someone's testicles?"

 

[Audiomatic]

@ revrobor: Ted Turner hasn't been in charge of CNN since it was taken over by Time Warner. I watch CNN quite often.

@ criscim: I don't approve of torture under any circumstances, and I wouldn't regardless of religion. However it may be true that most conservative Christians are Republicans and are influenced by the party leadership rather than reason. There is no evidence that torture works, and lots of evidence that torture results in false confessions. Dick Cheney supports torture, and I've seen nothing in the past eight years to indicate that he's a Christian.

 

[SUNSTONE]

I believe in torture in the right situation, and if it's done the right way.

To let innocent people die just because you don't want to torture some information out of the person who knows where they are, is torture on an innocent.

A coupe of nipple twists, and a few nose hairs pulled out with twissors, and they'll tell you anything.

 

[jdale72]

Aren't the unsaved going to be tortured forever and ever ? It seems to me that torture lines right up with the way christians believe.

 

[MostRadicalManEver]

I read an article on CNN indicating that Christians believe torture in the interest of national security is okay at a higher rate than non-Christians. This doesn't surprise me and I'm sure some who are reading this believe torture is okay.

I'll tell you where this comes from. A large part of sincere US Christians align themselves with the Republican party, feeling that it best represents their Christian beliefs. That's fine, but I think in doing so, we sometimes adopt ALL of the values of that party.

Face it, the Republican Party is as much a worldly entity as the Democratic Party. They both believe and do many things that are at odds with the Christian Faith. We are called to come out of the world. Don't let a political party influence your beliefs. Zero percent of Christians should be in favor of torture just as zero percent should be in favor of abortion.

Chris

Christians do not support torture.


Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Mat 5:39 but I say unto you, resist not him that is evil: but whosoever smiteth thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Rom 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.

1Pe 3:9 Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.

Mat 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. (44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Rom 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.

Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

[SUNSTONE]

Not true.


1Every (A)person is to be in (B)subjection to the governing authorities For (C)there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
3For (D)rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an (E)avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also (F)for conscience' sake.



Also Matthew 5:39 is talking about insults, not physical harm.
If someone swings fists at you, swing back or run, but don't turn the other cheek to take another punch.
A smack is an insult.

 

[Rhamiel]

torture is evil, and Christians should not be for it
lets look at non-Christians in America, we have athiests and Jews, these groups are more liberal, on average, the Christians
we also have Muslims as a growing group, so these groups would be more agianst torture then the average american

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

Well I think their are two questions you must ask yourself when talking about torture, do the ends justify the means? And what exactly constitutes as torture?

Some say that since the possibility of using torture as being able to stop another terrorist attack makes it acceptable, others say that if the terrorists were not actually trying to kill us already, they would not be getting tortured. I personally think that our government should not be releasing such sensitive material pertaining to our national security, but that justs me I guess.

Also what constitutes torture exactly, does slaping them, or pulling fingernails out, or waterboarding, what is torture? And who gets to set the limits of what is torture and whats not.

I don't like torture, but also didn't like my brother going to Iraq twice to fight the terrorists. Really if pouring a little water over the head of a terrorist is going to keep him from detonating a bomb in NYC, or Iraq even, then I really have no problem with it.

But I think it should be left up to our national security agencies to do what they think is best in protecting Americans. It seems now Obama has done away with any sort of torture all together, so I hope they can beg the next murder to tell them where he's hidden a bomb.

 

[SUNSTONE]

They always do away with the torture

 

[pdfiddler]

Give us FOX NEWS or give us death!

 

[SUNSTONE]

Several times I have seen on the news how a suspected child rapist/killer will quickly confess to doing a crime that will utterly ruin there life(death penulty, prisoners attacking them, etc.) and I wonder.......why would they confess????

The only thing I can think of is they tortured it out of them, and that's a good thing.

If you were the cops and you were in this situation what would you do???
You have a suspect with a past of child molestation who left the state immediatly after an Amber Alert, and the child lived just a few houses down from him. They catch this guy, but there's no child, the child could still be alive some where...........What do you do????

 

[BobW188]

Exactly. And that's why a confession obtained by torture is thrown out of court, even if it leads to evidence of guilt.
Hidden bomb? All I have to do is make up some phony location, let you go off on a wild goose chase, while I smile and reflect that it's going to go off, on the other side of town, before you get where I sent you.
Seems to me I'm still waiting to hear about the "useful information" these tactics have produced.