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Most sources look at the claims of the Bible and the evidence that would have been left behind and simply so "No."
They are clueless then. When the Spirit of God is right there, we would expect many things to be unusual. We would not look for manna there and then say there was no manna because we can't find any. God even picked up the fragments of leftovers when He created the loaves and fish. Why would He leave physical debris where He was working???
Luke talks about Moses when he says:What did Jesus say as a fact?
They never looked. Bruce Fielder in his book Walking the Bible did a real investigation of the various places we read about in our Bible. His life was enriched by his investigation into the truth. What do you think the end result will be for the skeptic and scoffers. As they slip away into oblivion lost in their unbelief.They are clueless then. When the Spirit of God is right there, we would expect many things to be unusual. We would not look for manna there and then say there was no manna because we can't find any. God even picked up the fragments of leftovers when He created the loaves and fish. Why would He leave physical debris where He was working???
Arrgh! I did not put the bold text in this. I picked it up when I copied and pasted from an article that I cited. This is a new problem with the new software. Does anyone know how to edit it out? I tried to add a "{/b} " but with [] and had no luck.
.okay dad
All along I have said; that chronology is the basis for your 'arguments'
God made the world in six days, and on the last day He 'created mankind'
So, when was the moon created ?
Let me help you
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- 4.5 billion years ago
- The moon was formed ~4.5 billion years ago, about 30–50 million years after the origin of the Solar System, out of debris thrown into orbit by a massive collision between a smaller proto-Earth and another planetoid, about the size of Mars.
- NASA scientist Jen Heldmann describes how the Earth's moon
sservi.nasa.gov/.../nasa-scientist-jen-heldmann-describes-how-the-earths-mo...
In its 4.6 billion years circling the Sun, the Earth has harbored an increasing diversity of life forms:
Periodic extinctions have temporarily reduced diversity, eliminating:
- for the last 3.6 billion years, simple cells (prokaryotes);
- for the last 3.4 billion years, cyanobacteria performing photosynthesis;
- for the last 2 billion years, complex cells (eukaryotes);
- for the last 1.2 billion years, eukaryotes which sexually reproduce
- for the last 1 billion years, multicellular life;
- for the last 600 million years, simple animals;
- for the last 550 million years, bilaterians, water life forms with a front and a back;
- for the last 500 million years, fish and proto-amphibians;
- for the last 475 million years, land plants;
- for the last 400 million years, insects and seeds;
- for the last 360 million years, amphibians;
- for the last 300 million years, reptiles;
- for the last 200 million years, mammals;
- for the last 150 million years, birds;
- for the last 130 million years, flowers;
- for the last 60 million years, the primates,
- for the last 20 million years, the family Hominidae (great apes);
- for the last 2.5 million years, the genus Homo (including humans and their predecessors);
- for the last 250,000 years, anatomically modern humans.
- 2.4 billion years ago, many obligate anaerobes, in the Great Oxygenation Event;
- 252 million years ago, the trilobites, in the Permian–Triassic extinction event;
- 65 million years ago, the pterosaurs and nonavian dinosaurs, in the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event.
So, as I have been saying.... your timing and that of almost everyone else
is way out of sync (whack)
and we therefore, need to sync our-understandings
source: of included tables
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_evolutionary_history_of_life
Note: that I wrote; "chronology is the basis for your 'arguments''
Regardless of what things higher than you may seem like to you, reality includes the spiritual and God. In fact there is no reality of any consequence without that.I love it. Whenever dad is cornered by reality he always relies on magic.
No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.
So? Were you trying to lead to some point?
Language, ALL languages (?) change, over time and many words (over the passage of time)
fall, out of use...
Later, best-guesses, as to the original contextual meaning, ARE..still only guesses, however 'well-intentioned'
You can make a Scripture case if you like, but that is God's beliefs!and, very unhumbly, denouncing all statements, by others * that seem (to you) to contradict YOUR BELIEFS
If, all men, are "OUT OF ADAM"
Explain our physiological [genetic] differences, around the world
Explain our different blood-groups
False. The so called dating once it gets beyond the time this nature existed is not dating at all, but religious drivel dating.
Rocks have been discovered, in "sedimentary layers"
sediment = settled out of water and created the bed of a body of water
Subsequent layers of lava and sediments, contain materials, that can and have been effectively dated,
within 'an element of error' (included) ie: best guess
Off course the rocks are not older than creation. Why dance all around to say something?Those rocks, were not introduced to those layers, by invasion
they are constituent with the layer and therefore were placed there as the layer was created
Those rocks, have been 'tooled' / formed, by their use as tools
Their age (best guess) is I am sure, no-less than, the age of the creation of, that sediment
Who, or what, made them, is, what is under discussion
[/QUOTE]No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.
I have suspected that the area of the battle was transported beyond time and space we know. Forget the usual explanations of orbits or whatever! It also seems probable that not the whole planet but just that little area was involved.
So? Were you trying to lead to some point?
NOT if God exists and arranged for Scripture to be inspired! Your position therefore is one of unbelief founded on nothing at all.
You can make a Scripture case if you like, but that is God's beliefs!
No need. However, not all men and women were supposed to be identical clones of Adam! God has different personalities, traits, gifts and etc. There was also the nature change presumably after the flood, where it seems likely that what we know as genetics started! The genetics of the former state was probably quite different. Basically you are in no position to know. Act accordingly.
Now, (getting back to) that OP
False. The so called dating once it gets beyond the time this nature existed is not dating at all, but religious drivel dating.
Off course the rocks are not older than creation. Why dance all around to say something?
davedajobauk said:Their age (best guess) is I am sure, no-less than, the age of the creation of, that sediment
Who, or what, made them, is, what is under discussion
dad said:Off course the rocks are not older than creation.
dad said:No idea why you linked a verse about Joshua and the sun here. Perhaps you disbelieve God stopped the sun? Some have wondered how He did that. Well, too bad for them! Theirs is not to question why, theirs is but to do or die.
Chlamydoselachus anguineus,
a rare species that's ancestory dates back 80 million years.
Nope. You didn't know how big the course was!Your response, above, changes the intended meaning of 'my post'
deliberately steering the subject matter 'off-course'
I grasp that so called science espouses beliefs and that your choice is to accept those over Scripture. Correct?Oh well... Misreading and failing to grasp,
the mettle of suggestions is by no means, provision of factual answers
for again you rely upon and espouse your own beliefs
You could have said that in Jesus' day. Yet He affirmed Moses and the prophests and the record we have! Gong!The scriptures, were inspired....
but as language DOES CHANGE,
(has changed) ie: Modern bibles ~contain 'reading-material'
Your claim of a same state past both has no meaning and no proof, and it opposes Christ to boot since He affirmed the scripture we have!Your repeated use, [mention] of a "past (changed)-nature", has no meaning,
Man made the tools. Obviously. The backtracking pussyfooting around that die hard evolutionists do to try to redeem the fallen dates is hilarious.that I can construe
as being relevant, to the finding of those "stone tools" OR, whether, someone suggests
they were brought to earth by aliens as 'examples' ~to show Earth's inhabitants, is unimportant
with regard to answering the OP ( Who made them and when were they made ? )
To make sense of this you need to tell us what layer the tools were found in. Was it above the KT layer?Your 'present-nature' (post flood)
appears to deny the pre-existence of tool-making man (pre-flood)
inferring that all was made anew... and here, plainly, we see something 'buried'
pre-flood (?)
?? The OP tools were found by people on a dig.I do note: a failure to describe how and why they were found at that site ?
Prove they thought the world was flat.Back, when men thought, the world (their world) was flat,
how could anyone know that the flood covered the entire globe
Since my current guess is that the flood was around the KT layer, 3 million imaginary years means nothing.Creation took place pre-flood, [and the tools were 'used' @ 3 million years ago]
Adam had probably scads of grandkids and kids all of whom had babies actually. It was not just Adam and Eve making kids for centuries.My view is that of a single family, producing, all of the world's inhabitants
for centuries to follow
I do, you don't. When they inbred in Adam's day is was fine.We all know what happens when folks 'inbreed' don't we ?
My problem is I keep looking for magic and everything keeps ending up with a valid scientific explanation.I love it. Whenever dad is cornered by reality he always relies on magic.
In terms of real time I suspect that the cretaceous ended before the flood. It likely lasted only centuries.
So, WHEN was the 'cretaceous period' in terms of BC
and, more importantly (it would seem) before Adam
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other...-dinosaur-has-been-found-in-canada/ar-AAcLrjg
In terms of real time I suspect that the cretaceous ended before the flood.
It likely lasted only centuries.
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