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Let me get this straight.
Some guy in, say, 3000 BC picks up a 3.3 million-year-old rock and uses it as a tool.
Then, today, people find this "tool" and assume the man who used it, used it 3.3 million years ago?
I wonder if they date the metal in my engine block, if they would think my car has been around for 10 million years?
If I cut down a 100 year old tree and make a canoe out of it tomorrow, was that canoe used 100 years ago by my grandfather?
Now get them to make weapons to hunt for meat and some scrapers.
Let me get this straight.
Some guy in, say, 3000 BC picks up a 3.3 million-year-old rock and uses it as a tool.
Then, today, people find this "tool" and assume the man who used it, used it 3.3 million years ago?
What say you and I go get some Australian zircon and build us a church building and see if experts think we worship in the oldest church on earth, eh?Sort of. Except that since the dates do not match the timeframe of evolution for man, they need to find an alien or monkey to blame for the tools!
We can leave the issue of how old the rock was when the folks made the tools pre flood. (I assume it was pre flood, maybe I give too much credence still to the foolish dates)
What say you and I go get some Australian zircon and build us a church building and see if experts think we worship in the oldest church on earth, eh?
Well, I did approach it from an embedded age perspective.So I was thinking about the guy who found that rock and made some tools. Let's say it was 3000 years ago as you guessed. You mentioned it would be millions of years old then. That seems to mean God would have put a bunch of daughter material in there for no real reason. That doesn't seem to make sense. It makes more sense if the materials in it were being used for something. Just because it couldn't have been the same thing as now shouldn't scare us.
What do you mean? Of course it matches the evolutionary timeframe. Their is no demand that no tool could be made before man came along. Your misinterpretation of the theory of evolution cannot be used against it. As others have shown you tool making and using is not a trait limited to man. Even ravens can make crude tools.Sort of. Except that since the dates do not match the timeframe of evolution for man, they need to find an alien or monkey to blame for the tools!
We can leave the issue of how old the rock was when the folks made the tools pre flood. (I assume it was pre flood, maybe I give too much credence still to the foolish dates)
I wonder who they think they can blame the tools on? Aliens? animals
Maybe you should actually try getting it straight instead of completely mischaraterizing how dates are determined. For a guy who spends as much time as you do railing against science, you know shockingly little about it.
They're lulling you into a false sense of security. We'll be sitting there, believing them to be nothing more than dumb baboons, and that will be the end of it.
On a more serious note, I'm not sure science (when you cut away from science media, reporters, and to some extent 'celebrity' scientists) ever claims to know-know. Actual reports and studies are littered with phrases that may strongly hint that their interpretation of the evidence is strongly supported, or that various theories are thought of as being the most probable (which is often translated in science media as being a definite rather than a possibility), but at any point in time the current most probable theory could be overtaken by another should enough evidence and/or support be gathered that a reasonable argument for that new theory can become the default opinion.
It is a shame that everyone takes most probable and strongly supported (at this present moment in time) to mean definitely. We can never know how anything definitely played out in the past, at least not in respect to how tools may/may not have come into existence.
Yup.Popular Science magazine is guilty of this. They present a 'problem' along with an elaborate scheme presented in a very technical and colorful way to solve it. The reader mostly wasn't even aware of the problem but is satisfied that science has already provided a neat solution to it. Kinda like the climate change 'problem' (that is not to say this isn't a real problem).
Once again, the fact is that tools simply predate man's existence. why is that such a hard concept to grasp?
Why do the creationists have such a hard time understanding that there is no problem here?
This is a huge nothing. Once again, the fact is that tools simply predate man's existence. why is that such a hard concept to grasp? Men may be the best animals at using tools, that in no way implies that man is the only animal that makes and uses tools.
What do you mean? Of course it matches the evolutionary timeframe. Their is no demand that no tool could be made before man came along. Your misinterpretation of the theory of evolution cannot be used against it. As others have shown you tool making and using is not a trait limited to man. Even ravens can make crude tools.
OK, but it seems to boil down to the issue of whether whatever stuff was in the rock was being used...had a purpose, or not.Well, I did approach it from an embedded age perspective.
Yup.OK, but it seems to boil down to the issue of whether whatever stuff was in the rock was being used...had a purpose, or not.
How does an ancestor species grab you?
Yup.
I seem to remember something about chimps choosing a suitable long twig or shoot and stripping all the leaves off it so they could then dip it into ant's nest and suck the tasty ants off it. Sounds a bit like fashioning a tool to me.I believe that while some animals may use objects as tools man is the only one who fashions tools for specific purposes.
I seem to remember something about chimps choosing a suitable long twig or shoot and stripping all the leaves off it so they could then dip it into ant's nest and suck the tasty ants off it. Sounds a bit like fashioning a tool to me.
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