Tom Homan -- prepare for 'out of control border' if Dem wins 2020

[civilwarbuff]

No, the numbers are not there. The numbers are complete fabrications and no more credible then you claims of being able to predict the future.

See #60......

 

[civilwarbuff]

The last 20 years has had a Republican at the helm for 11 of them…

I'm sorry, have you heard me excuse GW Bush for anything cuz if you have please post it here. Barack doubled the national debt in 8 years.....it took him 8 years to double what before him had taken 220 years to accumulate. So please try dealing with as much as 100 trillion dollars in additional spending over 10 years based on democratic WH contenders 'wishlists' and quit harping about the past....
Do you have any idea where that additional 10 trillion dollars a year in is going to come from to pay for all that 'free stuff' they keep promising? Cuz if you do you might want to convey that info to them because they are clueless....and just hoping nobody is smart enough to notice.

 

[Belk]

See #60......

You mean the post where you completely ignored @KCfromNC refutation of your numbers in #51 and told him to prove it as if it did not exist?

 

[Ana the Ist]

No. There have been several Democratic presidents. None has had open borders. More fear-mongering.

The Democratic candidates are endorsing open borders now.

Democrats double down on open borders

 

[Ana the Ist]

Can anyone say why my tax dollars should be spent on 15th century technology (walls) that border crossers can compromise in a matter of hours?

Border security is more than walls.

Would it not be more rational to examine the root causes of illegal immigration and address those?

The root causes can be summed up rather easily....they're from a nation poorer than yours. That's not fixable.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I'm sorry, have you heard me excuse GW Bush for anything cuz if you have please post it here. Barack doubled the national debt in 8 years.....it took him 8 years to double what before him had taken 220 years to accumulate. So please try dealing with as much as 100 trillion dollars in additional spending over 10 years based on democratic WH contenders 'wishlists' and quit harping about the past....
Do you have any idea where that additional 10 trillion dollars a year in is going to come from to pay for all that 'free stuff' they keep promising? Cuz if you do you might want to convey that info to them because they are clueless....and just hoping nobody is smart enough to notice.

In eight years, Ronald Reagan added $1.86 trillion to a $998 billion debt.

In four years, George H.W. Bush added $1.554 trillion to a $2.857 trillion debt.

In eight years, Bill Clinton added $1.396 trillion to a $4.4 trillion debt.

In eight years, George W. Bush added $5.849 trillion to a $5.8 trillion debt.

In eight years, Barack Obama added $8.588 trillion to a $11.657 trillion debt.

In three Years, Donald Trump added $3.807 trillion to a $20.245 trillion debt.

But not to worry, Trump promised that he was going to eliminate the whole debt in eight years.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You mean the post where you completely ignored @KCfromNC refutation of your numbers in #51 and told him to prove it as if it did not exist?

You must be seeing things belk, there were no numbers in that post....

 

[Vylo]

You mean like we have right now with record border crossings? The rich want this problem, it won't be solved easily because of that.

 

[KCfromNC]

Hey, YOU are the one that disagreed with what I posted; it is up to YOU to show that these numbers are incorrect

Yes, for example when I mentioned that the article you posted double-counted health care costs and didn't realize that shifting the cost from one place to the other wasn't a new cost.

Sorta like HRC ...

I see deflection....

deflection only carries one so far......

I appreciate the irony here.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yes, for example when I mentioned that the article you posted double-counted health care costs and didn't realize that shifting the cost from one place to the other wasn't a new cost.

Well, please show the numbers and not just your opinion. Shouldn't be too hard to find....if you are correct.

I appreciate the irony here.

Just so people can see you did not grasp the message:
Sorta like HRC ...
I see deflection....
deflection only carries one so far......

Sorta like HRC not having time to visit Wisconson....how did that work out for her? They need to address otherwise the R's will have a field day putting out numbers with no push back....bad news for the D's.

Still no numbers, huh?.....deflection only carries one so far......

Nice try @KCfromNC but you got another epic fail with that post.....

 

[Speedwell]

Well, please show the numbers and not just your opinion. Shouldn't be too hard to find....if you are correct.

Now you are just taunting. It is well known, has been thoroughly discussed in this forum--including with you--that the cost proposed for single-payer healthcare is not additional to what we are paying for health care now. If you want to deny that then the burden of proof is on you.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Now you are just taunting. It is well known, has been thoroughly discussed in this forum--including with you--that the cost proposed for single-payer healthcare is not additional to what we are paying for health care now. If you want to deny that then the burden of proof is on you.

Then if it has been 'thoroughly discussed' the numbers supporting the claim should be very easy to find......

 

[Speedwell]

Then if it has been 'thoroughly discussed' the numbers supporting the claim should be very easy to find......

Then you shouldn't have any trouble finding them. It is not the least bit controversial that the cost of single-payer will be about the same as what we are paying now and instead of what we are paying now.

 

[Belk]

You must be seeing things belk, there were no numbers in that post....

You must be missing things civilwarbuff. No one is required to post numbers in order to point out why those you posted are bogus.

 

[solid_core]

Sounds like you may endorse open borders?
What better way to destroy a Country?
M

Inside European Union, there are open borders between countries and no country was destroyed, all prosper more.

Also, majority of illegals in the USA are people with expired visa, not people walking illegally through borders.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Then you shouldn't have any trouble finding them. It is not the least bit controversial that the cost of single-payer will be about the same as what we are paying now and instead of what we are paying now.

I didn't make the claim so don't hold your breath on me looking for it......

 

[civilwarbuff]

You must be missing things civilwarbuff. No one is required to post numbers in order to point out why those you posted are bogus.

Only if a person wants to dispute the actual numbers in my citation....I think that is reasonable....

 

[Belk]

Only if a person wants to dispute the actual numbers in my citation....I think that is reasonable....

No, it is possible to point out errors in your numbers which is what happened. You can address it or ignore it but trying to pretend it did not happen is not helping your cause.

 

[Speedwell]

Only if a person wants to dispute the actual numbers in my citation....I think that is reasonable....

No one particularly wants to dispute the numbers in your citation. I think we all know that they are made up, and nobody really expected anything else.
What is being disputed is your assertion that all of the spending is "additional spending." In particular with health care, the expenditure would not be an addition to what we are paying now, it would be instead of what we are paying now.

 

[civilwarbuff]

No, it is possible to point out errors in your numbers which is what happened. You can address it or ignore it but trying to pretend it did not happen is not helping your cause.

So it is not reasonable for a person to support their opinion with actual citations?....wow, a new standard.....