To tithe, or not to tithe. That is the question!

[Frogster]

You're not being careful in reading what I've said. I said there're many types of tithe (10%). I listed them in my 1rst post (#216), including the spoils of war. Hebrews 7:2

I'll find the Isaac scripture. There is one. Someone showed me.

Jacob promised to tithe to God from all God gave him. Genesis 28:22 Are you saying Jacob shirked on his promise? Is there scripture to support this idea? I choose to think the best of Jacob. Why'd you want to imagine Jacob broke his promise to God?

Christ told the Pharisees to keep tithing and not leave the weightier things undone. There's no instruction to stop tithing, just like there's no instruction to stop living holy. Where do you get the idea tithing stopped. It occurred before the law. Where's the instruction to stop it after the law?

As I said, if 10% (tithing) wasn't unfair for OT believers, it shouldn't be hard for NT believers who have a better covenant with better promises. NT cheerful tithing in faith is a privilege with blessings attached.

by the way, the priests served on rotation for a few weeks, they did not live on the food forever. yet some churches forget we are all priests, 1 peter 2, and just think the pastor can live on tithe forever, like he is THE priest.

 

[GaryArnold]

Our "temple" today is the same as the OT. Places where the Lord is served, the poor are helped, the gospel is preached, the sick are healed.

We have a high priest in the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 7:9-28

Not quite.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Have you read AND STUDIED Hebrews 7:5,12,18?

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV) “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:”

Verse 5 is the first occurrence of the words TITHES, COMMANDMENT and LAW.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV) “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.”

The word COMMANDMENT in verse 18 must be referring to the word COMMANDMENT in verse 5 which is referring to the tithe.

Therefore, the COMMANDMENT to TITHE was disannulled.

If we are under a better covenant, WHY would anyone want to bring forward an inferior method of giving?

 

[WordofHisPower]

do we have to circumcise our children? abe was circumcised.

We don't "have to" do anything. We don't have to get saved, or healed, or filled with the Holy Spirit, or pray, or preach, or live holy, or help others.

It's something we want to do because we see it in scripture have a innate desire to please God.

This is the difference between OT and NT. They "had to" obey or there were consequences. We do all this because the Holy Spirit in us gives us the desire to do what we see in scripture.

What's the problem with 10%. The OT guys did it under a lesser covenant. Why can't we do it under a better covenant with better promises? Hebrews 8:6

 

[Frogster]

We don't "have to" do anything. We don't have to get saved, or healed, or filled with the Holy Spirit, or pray, or preach, or live holy, or help others.

It's something we want to do because we see it in scripture have a innate desire to please God.

This is the difference between OT and NT. They "had to" obey or there were consequences. We do all this because the Holy Spirit in us gives us the desire to do what we see in scripture.

What's the problem with 10%. The OT guys did it under a lesser covenant. Why can't we do it under a better covenant with better promises? Hebrews 8:6

well, i am not the one forcing tithe.

do we get snipped, abe was, pre-law.



9 And God said to Abraham, “As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised. Every male throughout your generations, whether born in your house or bought with your money from any foreigner who is not of your offspring,

 

[WordofHisPower]

Not quite.

1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Have you read AND STUDIED Hebrews 7:5,12,18?

Hebrews 7:5 (KJV) “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:”

Verse 5 is the first occurrence of the words TITHES, COMMANDMENT and LAW.

Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) “For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

Hebrews 7:18 (KJV) “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.”

The word COMMANDMENT in verse 18 must be referring to the word COMMANDMENT in verse 5 which is referring to the tithe.

Therefore, the COMMANDMENT to TITHE was disannulled.

If we are under a better covenant, WHY would anyone want to bring forward an inferior method of giving?

We have a better covenant. So we should be able to do better than 10%, not worse.

 

[Frogster]

We don't "have to" do anything. We don't have to get saved, or healed, or filled with the Holy Spirit, or pray, or preach, or live holy, or help others.

It's something we want to do because we see it in scripture have a innate desire to please God.

This is the difference between OT and NT. They "had to" obey or there were consequences. We do all this because the Holy Spirit in us gives us the desire to do what we see in scripture.

What's the problem with 10%. The OT guys did it under a lesser covenant. Why can't we do it under a better covenant with better promises? Hebrews 8:6

because better would mean not by law, and we give where we want, and to whom we want, and to the poor.

we never hear the poor word in the tithe teaching, it is always to a minister, we all know that.

 

[Frogster]

We have a better covenant. So we should be able to do better than 10%, not worse.

actually it was more than 10% in the old cov, do we have to do better than that?

 

[WordofHisPower]

by the way, the priests served on rotation for a few weeks, they did not live on the food forever. yet some churches forget we are all priests, 1 peter 2, and just think the pastor can live on tithe forever, like he is THE priest.

There's many good ministries to support with your tithe if you don't feel your church is using the money properly. God can show you who to support.

 

[Frogster]

There's many good ministries to support with your tithe if you don't feel your church is using the money properly. God can show you who to support.

why doen't anyone ever remember the poor? that was what 2 cor 8-9 was about, not paul's getting money for himself or ministry, the saints 2 cor 8:4, 9:1, 9:12, the poor...the poor....

 

[Frogster]

There's many good ministries to support with your tithe if you don't feel your church is using the money properly. God can show you who to support.

by the way, do we have to be snipped as pre law abe was in gen 17?

 

[WordofHisPower]

because better would mean not by law, and we give where we want, and to whom we want, and to the poor.

we never hear the poor word in the tithe teaching, it is always to a minister, we all know that.

Tithing in scripture went to the temple to be distributed to the poor and to those who served the Lord and His people.

There are still the poor and still those who serve the Lord, His people, the lost, the sick. If it took 10% to to support the Lord's work in the OT, why would you think it takes less than 10% today?

 

[GaryArnold]

We have a better covenant. So we should be able to do better than 10%, not worse.

THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.
Purpose of this tithe: to support the Levitical Priesthood.

SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take to the yearly feasts.
Purpose of this tithe: “that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always”

THIRD TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:28-29: aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.
Purpose of this tithe: to feed the poor.

Now tell me, WordofHisPower, do YOU do BETTER than the three tithes commanded by God in the OT? If an average of 20% over seven years was what they had to pay/give, shouldn't you, by your own belief and words on this blog, be giving MORE THAN 20% per year? WHY the 10%? Under the law, it averaged out to be 20% over a 7 year period.

 

[WordofHisPower]

by the way, do we have to be snipped as pre law abe was in gen 17?

You don't have to do anything. OT laws were required of OT people to keep covenant with God.

Christ keeps covenant for us with God. We're free to follow the instructions of God by faith with His grace and get blessed.

 

[GaryArnold]

We're free to follow the instructions of God by faith with His grace and get blessed.

Yet YOU don't follow God's tithing instructions. None of them.

 

[WordofHisPower]

THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.
Purpose of this tithe: to support the Levitical Priesthood.

SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take to the yearly feasts.
Purpose of this tithe: “that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always”

THIRD TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:28-29: aka The Three-Year Tithe aka The Poor Tithe - a tenth of crops, kept at home, and invite the Levites, widows, orphans, stranger to eat.
Purpose of this tithe: to feed the poor.

Now tell me, WordofHisPower, do YOU do BETTER than the three tithes commanded by God in the OT? If an average of 20% over seven years was what they had to pay/give, shouldn't you, by your own belief and words on this blog, be giving MORE THAN 20% per year? WHY the 10%? Under the law, it averaged out to be 20% over a 7 year period.

There're several tithes. By faith and God's grace NT believers can do better. There's no curse, no obligations, just joy, faith, grace.

Great point about the 2nd tithe. It's where you and your family take your 10% yearly to where the presence of the Lord is, and stay until your 10% runs out. It's a chance for you and your family to get a refreshing in His presence. I do follow that instruction. The blessings for doing it are deep. Great point. Many don't realize this is in scripture. God provides for this just as He provides for the 10% (tithe) to the storehouse.

 

[GaryArnold]

God provides for this just as He provides for the 10% (tithe) to the storehouse.

The tithe paid by the Israelites did NOT go to the storehouse. Only a tenth of that tithe, or 1%, went to the storehouse.

In Nehemiah 10:37 we learn that the firstfruits were taken to the temple for the priests, and the tithes were taken to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities.

In Nehemiah 10:38 we learn that the Levites would take a tithe of the tithe to the Temple. It is this tithe, the tithe from the Levites, that went to the storehouse, not the tithe from the people. This is important to remember when we study Malachi 3:10.

 

[GaryArnold]

Great point about the 2nd tithe. It's where you and your family take your 10% yearly to where the presence of the Lord is, and stay until your 10% runs out. It's a chance for you and your family to get a refreshing in His presence. I do follow that instruction. The blessings for doing it are deep. Great point. Many don't realize this is in scripture. God provides for this just as He provides for the 10% (tithe) to the storehouse.

So YOU and your family take EXACTLY 10% of what, and WHERE has the Lord directed you and your family to go? God said to take a tenth of the crops, but if it was too far, to convert it into cash, take the cash, and buy the tithe (food) for the festival. You have to start with the 10% crops. Regardless, do you expect anyone here to believe you take exactly one tenth of your yearly income and go to a feast and stay there and eat until the whole 10% has been used up?

 

[WordofHisPower]

Yet YOU don't follow God's tithing instructions. None of them.

I do follow all I know about. I stay in Christ, in faith and joy. I find treasures in OT scripture I can apply to my life in the new and living way of the NT. Hebrews 10:19-20

There's a NT equivalent to almost anything you find in the OT. You transpose it through Christ, based on Christ's work for us.

I don't sacrifice animals. I offer myself as a living sacrifice, and I offer the sacrifice of praise, the fruit of my lips giving glory to God. Hebrews 13:15, Romans 12:1, 1 Peter 2:5

I take communion often as a method to remember Christ's sacrifice for me. Luke 22:19, 1 Corinthians 11:24

I do the various tithes and offerings in the scriptures I shared in post #216, in the NT equivalent.

This thread is about tithing the 10%. No one here does the grain, oil, blood sacrifice parts. We have something better in Christ. But the need for the 10% tithe money to support the Lord's work and take care of the poor is greater today than in the OT.

 

[GaryArnold]

This thread is about tithing the 10%. No one here does the grain, oil, blood sacrifice parts. We have something better in Christ. But the need for the 10% tithe money to support the Lord's work and take care of the poor is greater today than in the OT.

And no one in the Old Testament tithed from their income. Wage earners did not tithe. Jesus, as a carpenter, did not tithe. Peter did not tithe. Paul did not tithe.

You have a real imagination, but what you are doing isn't Biblical. Giving is Biblical. Tithing from one's income is not Biblical. You have fallen into the trap most church goers fall into - that is, believing what your pastor says rather than search the scripture. You go through the scriptures and pluck out every verse you can find on tithing, take them all out of context, and have zero understanding as to what is was all about. I have spent THOUSANDS of hours studying this topic and it takes a lot of work and time to put all the pieces together in order to get the true picture as to what tithing was. Once you understand it, you see it couldn't possibly work today.

Since Numbers 18 tells us that priests don't tithe, and all born-again believers are part of a Royal Priesthood, by saying you tithe, you distance yourself from this Royal Priesthood.

 

[WordofHisPower]

So YOU and your family take EXACTLY 10% of what, and WHERE has the Lord directed you and your family to go? God said to take a tenth of the crops, but if it was too far, to convert it into cash, take the cash, and buy the tithe (food) for the festival. You have to start with the 10% crops. Regardless, do you expect anyone here to believe you take exactly one tenth of your yearly income and go to a feast and stay there and eat until the whole 10% has been used up?

The blessings of taking 10% of your income to spend in a place where you get refreshed by the Lord is worth it. Many take secular vacations yearly. What's so strange about taking a spiritual vacation yearly to strengthen you and your family?

OT families spent the money on lodging, food, transportation, offerings. It's pretty straight forward.

There's blessings associated with doing as much as you can the way God prescribes it. NT tithing is blessed and it works.