To tithe, or not to tithe. That is the question!

[Optimax]

I was told by the first WOF Pastor whose church I attended that if ones current financial obligations were more than current income then to start out believing God and to give what I could.

I gave out of the little I had left over.

I noticed a big difference in how things started going after a time.

Things like a car repair, a sick child, flat tire, etc. stopped happening.

After a period of time I was able to give more, not near the 10% yet.

After a year or two I was able to tithe off of my gross income.

After another year or two I was able to tithe from net income.

I was well able to tell the difference in how far my money reached.

After almost 40 years of tithing I am like Abe fully persuaded that tithing brings financial benefits.

 

[Frogster]

I was told by the first WOF Pastor whose church I attended that if ones current financial obligations were more than current income then to start out believing God and to give what I could.

I gave out of the little I had left over.

I noticed a big difference in how things started going after a time.

Things like a car repair, a sick child, flat tire, etc. stopped happening.
After a period of time I was able to give more, not near the 10% yet.

After a year or two I was able to tithe off of my gross income.

After another year or two I was able to tithe from net income.

I was well able to tell the difference in how far my money reached.

After almost 40 years of tithing I am like Abe fully persuaded that tithing brings financial benefits.

implication being, that if one does not tithe, sickness and flat tires come?

my friend, that is law and punishment, sorry, but it's true.


besides, some non tithers increase, and tithers have also decreased.

frog.

 

[jamadan]

Given that most people get raises every year, gain new skills and get promoted, of course the average person is going to see increase. The question is, does it pass the 30, 60 100 fold increase? Never seen it happen and I tithed faithfully for over a decade until I was set free.

 

[WordofHisPower]

Tithe means 10%.

In Luke 18:12, he tithes of all he has to the Lord. That's NT.

In Matthew 23:23, Christ told the Pharisees they should continue to tithe and keep the weightier matters as well. That's NT.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tithed pre-law. Hebrews 7:4, Genesis 28:22

My previous post showed various OT and NT tithes (10%). There's at least 8 types of pre-law, OT law, NT tithes mentioned in scripture. 10% (tithe) is the only number mentioned in the OT or NT.

God's provision for us is better in the NT. If 10% wasn't unfair in the OT, it shouldn't be now.

Tithing is a NT privilege. You can't erase it from scripture.

I'm seeing 3 kinds of posters here.

Cheerful givers who give at least 10% to the Lord, in faith, because our blessings in Christ are better than the OT tithers (10%). We know the blessing of tithing to the Lord.

Those who don't like the idea of giving 10%, and think of it as giving to man instead of the Lord.

Givers who've been harmed by legalistic giving and consider the tithe (10%) a bondage rather than a joy. They'll find alternate methods to give because they want to give.

The OT storehouse collected the tithes to distribute to the poor and take care of those doing the work of the Lord.

The NT "storehouse" is ministries who do the work Christ commissioned. Spread the gospel, help the poor, make disciples, heal the sick.

 

[WordofHisPower]

implication being, that if one does not tithe, sickness and flat tires come?

my friend, that is law and punishment.

besides, some non tithers increase, and tithers have also decreased.

Wrong implication. We're under grace. There's no curses for NT non-tithers, because Christ became a curse for us.

Believing God and acting in faith has blessings. Tithing, prayer, laying hands on the sick, speaking to mountains in faith, are a few of the avenues to bless and be blessed.

 

[WordofHisPower]

Given that most people get raises every year, gain new skills and get promoted, of course the average person is going to see increase. The question is, does it pass the 30, 60 100 fold increase? Never seen it happen and I tithed faithfully for over a decade until I was set free.

I'm one of many that've tithed faithfully for many years. The blessings are clear to me. I didn't know about the blessings when I first started tithing. I wanted to tithe because of gratitude, love, obedience. But I did see miracles that allowed me to tithe and pay my bills.

Whats 30 fold? 30 times or 30%?

 

[WordofHisPower]

I was told by the first WOF Pastor whose church I attended that if ones current financial obligations were more than current income then to start out believing God and to give what I could.

I gave out of the little I had left over.

I noticed a big difference in how things started going after a time.

Things like a car repair, a sick child, flat tire, etc. stopped happening.

After a period of time I was able to give more, not near the 10% yet.

After a year or two I was able to tithe off of my gross income.

After another year or two I was able to tithe from net income.

I was well able to tell the difference in how far my money reached.

After almost 40 years of tithing I am like Abe fully persuaded that tithing brings financial benefits.

I've experienced this too. And seen many other tithers with the same testimony.

I liked the part about giving what you're able, but believe God to become a tither. Good wisdom.

I was taught to believe God for the impossible. That works too.

The common denominator is the desire to be a tither.

 

[GaryArnold]

Tithe means 10%.

In Luke 18:12, he tithes of all he has to the Lord. That's NT.

In Matthew 23:23, Christ told the Pharisees they should continue to tithe and keep the weightier matters as well. That's NT.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tithed pre-law. Hebrews 7:4, Genesis 28:22

1 - The New Testament BOOKS start with Matthew. The New Testament, or New Covenant, actually starts AFTER Jesus died on the cross. Luke 18:12 and Matthew 23:23 are OLD TESTAMENT.

The Holy Bible, King James Version - Matthew 26:26-28: 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The blood of Jesus had not yet been shed.

2 - There is NO scripture showing that Isaac ever tithed.

3 - There is NO scripture showing that Jacob ever tithed. He made a vow to tithe, but we don't know whether or not he ever honored that vow.

4 - Abram tithed from all THE WAR SPOILS. Read the whole story, not just one line.

 

[Frogster]

Tithe means 10%.

In Luke 18:12, he tithes of all he has to the Lord. That's NT.

In Matthew 23:23, Christ told the Pharisees they should continue to tithe and keep the weightier matters as well. That's NT.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tithed pre-law. Hebrews 7:4, Genesis 28:22

My previous post showed various OT and NT tithes (10%). There's at least 8 types of pre-law, OT law, NT tithes mentioned in scripture. 10% (tithe) is the only number mentioned in the OT or NT.

God's provision for us is better in the NT. If 10% wasn't unfair in the OT, it shouldn't be now.

Tithing is a NT privilege. You can't erase it from scripture.

I'm seeing 3 kinds of posters here.

Cheerful givers who give at least 10% to the Lord, in faith, because our blessings in Christ are better than the OT tithers (10%). We know the blessing of tithing to the Lord.

Those who don't like the idea of giving 10%, and think of it as giving to man instead of the Lord.

Givers who've been harmed by legalistic giving and consider the tithe (10%) a bondage rather than a joy. They'll find alternate methods to give because they want to give.

The OT storehouse collected the tithes to distribute to the poor and take care of those doing the work of the Lord.

The NT "storehouse" is ministries who do the work Christ commissioned. Spread the gospel, help the poor, make disciples, heal the sick.

the tithing pharisee in luke 18, was bound by now banished temple laws, and it you read the rest, he was used in a matter of still being condemend, in self righteousness, bad example you posted.

in matt 22, it was food, mint, and the pahrisee again was bound by those laws, we are not. Can i eat shrimp, the law says no. Also notice how Jesus said itwas not even all that important relative to the law, if you read on.

Abe tithed once, it was not his money, it was spoils of war, and we don't want to turn the man of grace, as law, and hebrews is not teaching others to tithe there, that was not the usage there at all.

jacob said he will, if god will give, that is a conditional deal, we don't make deals to give to get, another bad example.

 

[Frogster]

Wrong implication. We're under grace. There's no curses for NT non-tithers, because Christ became a curse for us.

Believing God and acting in faith has blessings. Tithing, prayer, laying hands on the sick, speaking to mountains in faith, are a few of the avenues to bless and be blessed.

u can't extract the old cov blessings, without the curses. gentiles never tithed to the temple, it was for the jews, in fact if gentiles crossed the wall of the court of the gentiles, they were killed, that's what they tried on paul in acts 21, when they said he brought a greek into the temple, the temple tithing laws were not for gentiles.

 

[WordofHisPower]

1 - The New Testament BOOKS start with Matthew. The New Testament, or New Covenant, actually starts AFTER Jesus died on the cross. Luke 18:12 and Matthew 23:23 are OLD TESTAMENT.

The Holy Bible, King James Version - Matthew 26:26-28: 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The blood of Jesus had not yet been shed.

2 - There is NO scripture showing that Isaac ever tithed.

3 - There is NO scripture showing that Jacob ever tithed. He made a vow to tithe, but we don't know whether or not he ever honored that vow.

4 - Abram tithed from all THE WAR SPOILS. Read the whole story, not just one line.

You're not being careful in reading what I've said. I said there're many types of tithe (10%). I listed them in my 1rst post (#216), including the spoils of war. Hebrews 7:2

I'll find the Isaac scripture. There is one. Someone showed me.

Jacob promised to tithe to God from all God gave him. Genesis 28:22 Are you saying Jacob shirked on his promise? Is there scripture to support this idea? I choose to think the best of Jacob. Why'd you want to imagine Jacob broke his promise to God?

Christ told the Pharisees to keep tithing and not leave the weightier things undone. There's no instruction to stop tithing, just like there's no instruction to stop living holy. Where do you get the idea tithing stopped. It occurred before the law. Where's the instruction to stop it after the law?

As I said, if 10% (tithing) wasn't unfair for OT believers, it shouldn't be hard for NT believers who have a better covenant with better promises. NT cheerful tithing in faith is a privilege with blessings attached.

 

[Frogster]

You're not being careful in reading what I've said. I said there're many types of tithe (10%). I listed them in my 1rst post (#216), including the spoils of war. Hebrews 7:2

I'll find the Isaac scripture. There is one. Someone showed me.

Jacob promised to tithe to God from all God gave him. Genesis 28:22 Are you saying Jacob shirked on his promise? Is there scripture to support this idea? I choose to think the best of Jacob. Why'd you want to imagine Jacob broke his promise to God?

Christ told the Pharisees to keep tithing and not leave the weightier things undone. There's no instruction to stop tithing, just like there's no instruction to stop living holy. Where do you get the idea tithing stopped. It occurred before the law. Where's the instruction to stop it after the law?
As I said, if 10% (tithing) wasn't unfair for OT believers, it shouldn't be hard for NT believers who have a better covenant with better promises. NT cheerful tithing is a privilege with blessings attached.

how can one tithe, without a temple?



heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers,[a] though these also are descended from Abraham


ok, so when i slaughter some kings, and get the booty, i will tithe one time too,

 

[WordofHisPower]

u can't extract the old cov blessings, without the curses. gentiles never tithed to the temple, it was for the jews, in fact if gentiles crossed the wall of the court of the gentiles, they were killed, that's what they tried on paul in acts 21, when they said he brought a greek into the temple, the temple tithing laws were not for gentiles.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob weren't tithing to the temple either. There's pre-law tithes, and post-law tithes.

We don't need the OT blessings because the NT are better. Whatever you see in the OT, there'll be better in the NT. Hebrews 8:6

 

[Frogster]

You're not being careful in reading what I've said. I said there're many types of tithe (10%). I listed them in my 1rst post (#216), including the spoils of war. Hebrews 7:2

I'll find the Isaac scripture. There is one. Someone showed me.

Jacob promised to tithe to God from all God gave him. Genesis 28:22 Are you saying Jacob shirked on his promise? Is there scripture to support this idea? I choose to think the best of Jacob. Why'd you want to imagine Jacob broke his promise to God?

Christ told the Pharisees to keep tithing and not leave the weightier things undone. There's no instruction to stop tithing, just like there's no instruction to stop living holy. Where do you get the idea tithing stopped. It occurred before the law. Where's the instruction to stop it after the law?

As I said, if 10% (tithing) wasn't unfair for OT believers, it shouldn't be hard for NT believers who have a better covenant with better promises. NT cheerful tithing in faith is a privilege with blessings attached.

Gen 28:20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat and clothing to wear,

i mean really, if god will feed me and give to me, i will tithe!

this is not that old show, lets make a deal, we know jacob tended to be a supplanter.

 

[Frogster]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob weren't tithing to the temple either. There's pre-law tithes, and post-law tithes.

We don't need the OT blessings because the NT are better. Whatever you see in the OT, there'll be better in the NT. Hebrews 8:6

Abe tithed once, blood money, he was circumcised pre law, are we now ordered to get snipped?

 

[Frogster]

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob weren't tithing to the temple either. There's pre-law tithes, and post-law tithes.

We don't need the OT blessings because the NT are better. Whatever you see in the OT, there'll be better in the NT. Hebrews 8:6

by the way, the historical legal chronology is, it became law, and u r the one who quoted about the pharisees under law.

 

[WordofHisPower]

how can one tithe, without a temple?

heb 7:5 And those descendants of Levi who receive the priestly office have a commandment in the law to take tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers,[a] though these also are descended from Abraham

ok, so when i slaughter some kings, and get the booty, i will tithe one time too,

Our "temple" today is the same as the OT. Places where the Lord is served, the poor are helped, the gospel is preached, the sick are healed.

We have a high priest in the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 7:9-28

 

[Frogster]

Our "temple" today is the same as the OT. Places where the Lord is served, the poor are helped, the gospel is preached, the sick are healed.

We have a high priest in the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 7:9-28

yeah but the food went to the temple on earth, for the earthly priests, do we chuck food up into heaven somehow? Does Jesus need to eat mint?

 

[Frogster]

Our "temple" today is the same as the OT. Places where the Lord is served, the poor are helped, the gospel is preached, the sick are healed.

We have a high priest in the order of Melchizedek Hebrews 7:9-28

do we have to circumcise our children? abe was circumcised.

 

[WordofHisPower]

by the way, the historical legal chronology is, it became law, and u r the one who quoted about the pharisees under law.

True, but there's no scripture saying tithing stopped. Did holiness stop? Or prayer?

Why do people want something that started before the law to stop after the law?

The legalistic tithe with curses attached is only one kind of tithe. What about the pre-law tithe? Genesis 28:22 Hebrews 7:2