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To all that say this seal can somehow be broken.
If that's the case, then why did it say they are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption?
It's a guarantee. Scripture says that they are sealed until the day of redemption. Period.
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Why do you believe that salvation is based on the amount or quality of faith and trust we have, and not on the object of our faith, as the Bible teaches?
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It is a guarantee. There is nothing to worry about, we will be saved. We are saved now, and forevermore until the day of redemption. Unless we deliberately choose to turn from it. Is this a paradox? No. Let me explain by analogy.To all that say this seal can somehow be broken.
If that's the case, then why did it say they are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption?
It's a guarantee. Scripture says that they are sealed until the day of redemption. Period.
The answer to this question is not entirely clear because there is scripture that supports both sides. Jesus' message about the good shepherd (John) suggests no free will. The parable of the sower (Matthew) suggest choice. The good news is that regardless of your personal position, the topic in itself is not necessary for salvation. So we all will have a chance to ask God directly.
I agree. The point is that the bible isn't exactly clear on the issue.No following your logic here. Either we have an ongoing choice in belief, or we do not.
You can only come to that conclusion (eternal security) if you take that one verse in isolation. However scripture interprets scripture. When you look at what the scriptures say as a whole you cannot be so confident of eternal security.Explain this verse. And not only explain it, but explain it honestly:
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
If you can't, no worries, it's really not possible to explain it any other way than an eternal security perspective. Because that's the truth.
To all that say this seal can somehow be broken.
If that's the case, then why did it say they are sealed UNTIL the day of redemption?
It's a guarantee. Scripture says that they are sealed until the day of redemption. Period.
Your ignorance of soteriology is duly noted. Salvation is not a "path we take". It's a work of God done in us.
I agree. The point is that the bible isn't exactly clear on the issue.
I happen to think the bible is very clear on this. Those who are saved, which are those who have answered the call to follow, must do this one thing - they must follow. I see no ambiguity on this.
I agree. The point is that the bible isn't exactly clear on the issue.
OSAS does not survive 1 Cor 9 "I buffet my body and make it my slave lest after preaching the Gospel to others - I myself should be disqualified from it"
Read post #18I happen to think the bible is very clear on this. Those who are saved, which are those who have answered the call to follow, must do this one thing - they must follow. I see no ambiguity on this.
I happen to think the bible is very clear on this. Those who are saved, which are those who have answered the call to follow, must do this one thing - they must follow. I see no ambiguity on this.
Read post #18
Nah, it means sealed unto that day is sealed unto that day.
You're focusing again still on your own philosophies instead of the actual accurate analogy.
You all can't see truth, and I can't make you see it. So this message is no longer for you, but instead for the people who your lot deceive and lead astray with your lies and hardened way of thinking.
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