razzelflabben
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here is the verse that you are interpreting as impossible to return to Satan/flesh being master.... and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.Where does this verse say they loose their salvation? Your reading a lot into the verse that is not there.
What this verse is saying is that when we are saved, we are crucified in Christ to sin and have died to sin. That Christ has given us His justification and declared us righteous and created in each of us a new creation.
It is therefore, impossible that one could return to having their master being satan/flesh again.
Now we have to ask a few questions of your interpretation given this verse....1. where does it say they can't return to Satan/flesh as master when what they can NOT return to is repentance...iow's where does repentance have to do with serving Satan/flesh? 2. why was Christ crucified? Because according to the verse which is part of the context, to return to what they originally had would mean they are crucifying Christ again, that means returning to the original reason for Christ's death. and 3. continuing looking at context,we see this gem in which I highlight something very important that needs addressed if your position is to be taken seriously..."Even though we speak like this, dear friends we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation." How does returning to repentance and crucifying Christ again when we are told they are talking about salvation address the impossibility of returning to Satan/flesh as master of our lives? I seriously look forward to your answers to these questions. Please make your answers at least believable so that we can take it seriously.
that isn't the question at hand, but go ahead anyway.One can not have undone what Jesus Christ Himself has done.
what I have been asking the OSAS crowd to address is verses 6 and 9 specifically. IOW's the rest of the passage has been addressed and even if we give the OSAS side some freedom to interpret it without sound hermeneutics, there still are some huge problems for the OSAS er as illustrated above. That is what you all refuse to address, the problems your interpretation presents for the context of the passage as related to the totality of scripture.Knowing also the context of the Book of Hebrews, which is the apostles explaining to the Old Covenant people (Hebrews/Israelite's) what the New Covenant is and how it differs from the Old Covenant and how we need to be now, under the blood of Christ, the Messiah and not according to the Old Coveant and the law of Moses.
Hebrews 6
A Call to Maturity
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: 12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
God's Promise is Certain
13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, 14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. 17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: 18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: 19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; 20Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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