To spank or not to spank please vote

[Robinsegg]

it's a form of discipline

No, it's not. It's abuse, pure and simple, and no one should ever hit a child.

I think that's the whole point of this debate. Not everyone holds the same view.

I think that slapping a child's hands to prevent them from hurting themselves and to help them learn not to do that again is acceptable and hardly abuse. I also think that a single swat through a diaper (it doesn't even hurt) is hardly abuse. You obviously disagree. We're all entitled to our opinion, as long as we don't tell each other how to parent and as long as I don't strike your (or anybody else's) child.

Rachel

 

[PETE_]

Because hitting is wrong and a violation of my bodily integrity

what the heck is bodily integrity?

 

[quatona]

I think that slapping a child's hands to prevent them from hurting themselves and to help them learn not to do that again is acceptable and hardly abuse.

The finger that points to the moon. IOW: Actions speak louder than words. Using the method of harming a child physically if you disapprove of what he does teaches him that inflicting physical harm on others is an acceptable method to use if they disapprove of what someone else does.
Convinced that inflicting physical harm on others is counterproductive to my goals and not an acceptable method of crisis management, I personally would avoid to teach my kids this message.

 

[DivineRAiN]

Rae: No, it's not. It's abuse, pure and simple, and no one should ever hit a child.

we disagree with that 1.. I don't think I can be convinced that smacking a child's a hand falls under abuse when a child who is really being abused has physical wounds showing their abuse (burns, bruises, cuts, broken bones, so on). A child that has physical wounds like that are in real serious danger. People will be calling 911/child protective services coz they see a child getting her diaper smacked 1 or 2 times. CPS should be busy investigating situations where a child has burns, bruises n so on, instead of wasting time investigating a child getting her diaper smacked.

 

[seebs]

That one thing is less injurious than another does not prove it's not abuse. Talented torturers can leave no marks or real injury.

I don't think spanking is necessarily abuse, but I think that it is sufficiently close to the line, and sufficiently ineffectual compared to better use of other techniques, that it should be avoided.

 

[ebia]

I think that's the whole point of this debate. Not everyone holds the same view.

I think that slapping a child's hands to prevent them from hurting themselves and to help them learn not to do that again is acceptable and hardly abuse. I also think that a single swat through a diaper (it doesn't even hurt) is hardly abuse. You obviously disagree. We're all entitled to our opinion, as long as we don't tell each other how to parent and as long as I don't strike your (or anybody else's) child.

Rachel

There does come a point when society does have a duty to say "this is abuse - you may not do it". We've yet to get to that point with physical discipline at home, but I'm guessing 100 years ago it would have seemed impossible that society would ban physical discipline in schools. That's now old hat in most western countries, and the world is a better place for it. I don't doubt that eventually the consensus will be that physical discipline at home is also abusive and that will be banned.

 

[george78]

PROVERBS 13:24 ¶ He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him chastens him early.

PROVERBS 23: 13 Do not withhold correction from a boy, for if you beat him with the rod, he will not die.
14 You shall beat him with the rod, and shall deliver his soul from hell.

 

[george78]

There does come a point when society does have a duty to say "this is abuse - you may not do it".

Over my dead body would society tell me how to raise my kids, and that Biblical correction would not be used.

My wife and I both used corporal punishment on our children, and they turned out well adjusted productive members of society.

We've yet to get to that point with physical discipline at home, but I'm guessing 100 years ago it would have seemed impossible that society would ban physical discipline in schools.

I guess you are not aware that Corporal punishment is permitted in schools in the following States?

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Wyoming

 

[ebia]

PROVERBS 13:24 ¶ He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him chastens him early.

PROVERBS 23: 13 Do not withhold correction from a boy, for if you beat him with the rod, he will not die.
14 You shall beat him with the rod, and shall deliver his soul from hell.

Do you beat your child with a rod?

Or do you accept that the point of the proverb is discipline, not how it is administered?

 

[ebia]

Over my dead body would society tell me how to raise my kids, and that Biblical correction would not be used.

See my other post.

My wife and I both used corporal punishment on our children, and they turned out well adjusted productive members of society.

I know people who had all sorts of terrible abuses inflicted upon them as children and still turned out well adjusted, productive members of society.

I guess you are not aware that Corporal punishment is permitted in schools in the following States?

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Wyoming

I said most western countries. The fact that somewhat less than half the US is still in the dark ages doesn't refute that.

 

[ebia]

Oh, and I take it (on the basis of your "right to do whatever you think the bible says"), you support parents' right to execute their children for being disrespectful?

 

[dlamberth]

Children do not need to be spanked. The only reason to spank a child is because the parent of that child does not have the patience to direct and set boundaries with firmness that does not include violence to get that child’s attention. That's just my opinion as I think the same applies to a lot of the wars we are engaged in now.

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[Robinsegg]

Children do not need to be spanked. The only reason to spank a child is because the parent of that child does not have the patience to direct and set boundaries with firmness that does not include violence to get that child’s attention. That's just my opinion as I think the same applies to a lot of the wars we are engaged in now.

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Well, it really depends on the child. Some children easily respond to other measures. Others must feel it, quite literally. Some kids won't be distracted from the light socket. They'll keep going after it time and time again. When someone lightly smacks their hands, they all of a sudden "get it" and quit. These are often "kinesthetic learners", as most babies and toddlers are. They have to feel something to understand it well.

I'm not advocating inflicting pain on a small child. Just the jolt of impact. Through a diaper it certainly doesn't hurt.

Rachel

 

[armyman_83]

"spare the rod spoil the child..."

 

[ebia]

"spare the rod spoil the child..."

You beat your kids with a rod?

 

[armyman_83]

You beat your kids with a rod?

I am sorry you don't uderstand the saying, perhaps you should look it up on the internet.

 

[ebia]

Well, it really depends on the child.

If that were the case one would expect its use to mostly vary by child, but it doesn't - it mostly varies by parent.

 

[Faithfullytrue]

I don't believe in spanking. I belive in disciplining.

Be Blessed!!!

 

[ebia]

I am sorry you don't uderstand the saying, perhaps you should look it up on the internet.

Ah, so you don't take it literally then? Taken loosly - that children need parental discipline - it's sound advice.

 

[armyman_83]

Ah, so you don't take it literally then? Taken loosly - that children need parental discipline - it's sound advice.

No I don't take it literally, I use a paddle.