To all athiests out there: bring it on

[lithium.]

Yeah I guess you are right Freodin, Sorry.

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by seesaw
at least we know you can spell "school".

Check this out:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/46036016/46036241iWVKce

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Check this out:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/46036016/46036241iWVKce

lol

 

[JohnR7]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
What, and take time away from his 700 speaking engagements per year? Surely you jest.

Actually there were only 90 speaking engagements this year.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Actually there were only 90 speaking engagements this year.

Really? B-but, he says he speaks "over 700 times each year". Hovind wouldn't lie, would he?

 

[MSBS]

Originally posted by What is a Darwin?
To ocean,
I havent seen they're sources! Let me see them and I'll decide for myself if they are any more believable

That's kind of odd. They've been posted a number of times. Start with www.talkorigins.org

 

[Nathan Poe]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
Really? B-but, he says he speaks "over 700 times each year". Hovind wouldn't lie, would he?

Perhaps he does a little telemarketing on the side?

 

[MSBS]

Originally posted by JohnR7
I have done the math on this one, using the data given by NASA. The spindown rate of the earth translates to  about 1.5 seconds every 100,000 years. So if you go back about 4.3 billion years, the earth was spinning fast enough that the first day was about 1.5/100,000 of second long. The second day was 3/100,000 second long. By the time the earth got up to where there was 5 to 6 hours of daylight, then Science tells us that the trees and grass began to grow. I have done enough gardening, with putting plants in shade and in the sun. So I know most plants require 5 to 6 hours a day of direct sunlight per day.

The earth spins at 0.5 km/sec.

The earth revolves around the sun at 30 km/sec

The solar system revolves around the milky way at 250 km/sec

The milky way moves though the galexy at 300 km/sec

from:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html

Presently, the earth's rotation is slowing down 0.005 seconds per year per year (Thwaites and Awbrey, 1982, p.19). At least Dr. Hovind doesn't use the horrendous rate of 1 second per year which Dr. Walter Brown employed as a result of a total misunderstanding of time keeping. I believe that Dr. Brown discarded that argument upon realizing his error, but don't expect it to disappear from the creationist literature. Only a towering optimist could expect that!

The actual rate of 0.005 seconds per year per year yields, if rolled back 4.6 billion years, a 14-hour day. The subject is a bit tricky the first time around, and I'm indebted to Thwaites and Awbrey (1982) whose fine article cleared away the cobwebs.

Let's do the calculation for 370 million years ago:

((0.005 sec/yr) x (370 million yr))/Year = (1,850,000 sec)/Year
= (21.4 days)/Year

Thus, at 370 million years ago, the earth had 21.4 extra days per year.

The total days then per year were: (365.25 + 21.4)days/Year = 386.65 days/Year.

(8766 hrs/Year)/(386.65 days/Year) = 22.7 hrs/day

If you do the same calculations for 4.6 billion years ago, you'll get the 14 hrs/day given by Drs. Thwaites and Awbrey. Thus, there is no problem here for mainstream science. Indeed, the present rate may be too high:

...the correct present rate of slowing of the earth's rotation is excessively high, because the present rate of spin is in a resonance mode with the back-and-forth

motion of the oceans' waters in the ocean basins. In past ages when the rotation rate was faster, the resonance was much less or nonexistent, resulting in a much more gradual slowing of the rotation rate. The most recent calculations indicate that the earth could be 4 to 5 billion years old and not have been spinning excessively fast or requiring the moon to be any closer to the earth than 225,000 kilometers (140,000 miles).

 

[No gods]

Originally posted by seesaw
I really wish I had the power to wipe our all crackpot stuff in the world.

Originally posted by JesusServant
But seesaw, that would be suicide! [/B]

Originally posted by seesaw
How so? I don't follow.

Well, Seesaw, it would appear that JesusServant was insulting you by insinuating that you were a crackpot that would be wiped out if you indeed had the power you wished to possess. Apparently though, this insult was rendered "ok" (and even humorous) by his addition of that little winky face emoticon at the end.

 

[No gods]

To Tacokid: I was wondering, since you seem to hold "Dr" <cough> Hovind in such high regard, are you planning on attending the university from which "Dr" <cough> Hovind received (I can't get myself to type "earned") his "Ph.D." <cough>?

Also, please, please, PLEASE take the advice of so many on this thread and pop on over to www.talkorigins.org . PLEASE!

 

[lithium.]

Originally posted by No gods
Well, Seesaw, it would appear that JesusServant was insulting you by insinuating that you were a crackpot that would be wiped out if you indeed had the power you wished to possess. Apparently though, this insult was rendered "ok" (and even humorous) by his addition of that little winky face emoticon at the end.

Yeah I figured that. There has been so many insults today it's really crazy.

 

[blader]

tacokid:

How about you save some time and just say:

"Any objection you make, just go to www.drdino.com and it will be answered, because I'm too lazy to actually read and understand any of these objections, and why Dr. Dino has been proven wrong over and over again."

There. You're done. Saves you a lot of work.

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by notto
[BOnce we are done with dinosaur egg nests we can move on to the ant hills, termite nests, small animal tracks, worm tracks, and my favorite, dinosaur dung that the FLOOD has left undisturbed among the layers of sediment.

He did claim that he was prepared to answer any and all questions. [/B]

In that case, don't forget the rhythmites!&nbsp;

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by adam332
Actually there is no evidence of that being the source at all. It seems that HIV in Humans is nearly identical to some which have been found in apes(SIV) but there is NO reason to assume that's where it began. This is because apes got it too, in other words we could have gave it to them as much as they did us. This is one of many species that can transfer some diseases to some other species. The question isn't who had it first or who gave it too who, the question is who gave it to either of us.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

From your website:&nbsp; "

It is now generally accepted that HIV is a descendant of simian (monkey) immunodeficiency virus (SIV). Certain simian immunodeficiency viruses bear a very close resemblance to HIV-1 and HIV-2, the two types of HIV."

"In February 1999 it was announced<SUP>1</SUP> that a group of researchers from the University of Alabama had studied frozen tissue from a chimpanzee and found that the simian virus it carried (SIV<SUB>cpz</SUB>) was almost identical to HIV-1. The chimpanzee came from a sub-group of chimpanzees known as Pan troglodytes troglodytes, which were once common in west-central Africa."

Now, Adam, in case you haven't followed the bolded parts, what the website is saying is that HIV is evolved from SIV. That is, HIV resulted from descent with modification from SIV.&nbsp; The question is where and when the tranferrence of SIV/HIV to humans took place.

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[lucaspa]

Originally posted by Pete Harcoff
Here's another question about the Flood and animals from Noah's Ark.

How did such a limited selection of animals (only 2 of every "kind") overcome the problems of inbreeding (not to mention other all the other detrimental factors, environmental and otherwise) to produce the healthy, diverse populations we observe today?

Actually, Pete, that's not a problem.&nbsp; Remember, founder populations arise from a single breeding pair.&nbsp;Abd these have been documented (drosophila in&nbsp;Hawaii for instance).&nbsp;It turns out that any given pair of a&nbsp;population carries about 75% of the genetic diversity of the population. (Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 1998)

There are thousands of falsifications of the Flood and Noah's Ark.&nbsp; This, unfortunately, isn't one of them.

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by What is a Darwin?
To Nathan,
O I C, I guess the pro scoffer is just to smart and intelligent like to even backup his own statements against the youngin.. the way to bold little upstart. At least tacoman has some sources, where are yours?

I gave you my sources. Why don't you address those? BTW, a source for refuting the slowing down of earth is

http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie005.html

And, if you are interested, a "darwin" is the unit of morphological change.&nbsp; It is the natural logarithm of the change of the feature divided by time.

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by What is a Darwin?
I've been asking for sources in just about all of my small number of posts!

OK, since you won't look for them, do a www.google.com search under "Hovind" and you'll find a bunch of sources.

Of course, the penultimate sources are the peer-reviewed scientific literature which use the ultimate source: the universe itself.&nbsp; The http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/&nbsp;will provide you with references to that peer-reviewed literature.&nbsp; Your next step beyond that is to go look up the particular papers at your public library or a university library.&nbsp; Please do so.

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by JohnR7
I have done the math on this one, using the data given by NASA. The spindown rate of the earth translates to &nbsp;about 1.5 seconds every 100,000 years. So if you go back about 4.3 billion years, the earth was spinning fast enough that the first day was about 1.5/100,000 of second long.

My math is very different.&nbsp; You say you gain 1.5 seconds every 10^5 year.&nbsp; multiply that by 4.5 x 10^9 years and you get 6.75 x 10^4 seconds or 67,500 seconds. Now, there are 60 seconds to the minute and 60 minutes to the hour, so that is 3,600 seconds per hour.&nbsp; Divide 67,500 by 3,600 and you get 18.75 hours.&nbsp; Now subtract 18.75 from 24 and you get a day of 5.25 hours 4.5 billion years ago.

Now, that assumes, of course, that the slowdown has been linear and that you got the figures right from NASA to begin with.&nbsp; Both those assumptions are open to question.&nbsp; See http://members.cox.net/ardipithecus/evol/lies/lie005.html&nbsp;

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by JohnR7
Why don't you prove that God did not create the universe. Then you could collect the $250,000 reward.

I got to this forum by reference from Hovind's website. I looked at the "challenge" and saw immediately that it is rigged.&nbsp; Hovind doesn't want people to "prove" evolution, he wants people to "prove" atheism.&nbsp; Nice sleight of hand on his part.&nbsp; I e-mailed Dr. Dino about that little trick.&nbsp; Is anyone surprised that no one answered the e-mail?

&nbsp;

 

[lucaspa]

Originally posted by tacoman528
okay, who wants to talk science?

I did. When are you going to reply?&nbsp; Or are you just going to ignore?