Titles

[CaDan]

This again

By the same plethora (of one) of gay father raping priests over on Group W bench I suppose ?

Nah, just the litterbugs.

 

[Oblio]

I find it routine to be reported when issues expose unpleasant truth.

In my experience (when I was a mod), 90+% of the reports were due to rule violations. There were rarely (if any) reports acted on that did not contain violations, and those that were ambiguous were given grace to allow the poster to clarify and edit.

IOW, you are blowing smoke.

 

[Redwolf]

This again

By the same plethora (of one) of gay father raping priests over on Group W bench I suppose ?

Whether it pleases you or not.

 

[Redwolf]

In my experience (when I was a mod), 90+% of the reports were due to rule violations. There were rarely (if any) reports acted on that did not contain violations, and those that were ambiguous were given grace to allow the poster to clarify and edit.

IOW, you are blowing smoke.

From the peace pipe I share with my fathers.
Yatehay!

 

[jckstraw72]

So, would that make you holy mother?

well my mother is probably the most obedient Christian i know

'Cept for the ones who are blind, of course.

true. poor Blind Lemon Jefferson just dont get no respect

Whether he gave it to himself or it was given to him by fellow Catholics, he allowed it.
Gregory the Great in the seventh centure would fit the bill.

i dont know for sure, but im guessing he got this title after his repose.

 

[jckstraw72]

Nah, just the litterbugs.

just dont let me catch you driving off into the sunset with tears in your eyes and shovels and rakes and implements of destruction in the back of your VW bus

 

[BrightCandle]

I don't have any problem with the title Pontifex Maximus. People also complain about Easter and Christmas and the paganism behind it..

You should have a problem with the pompous titles that the Papacy has claimed for themselves to exhalt themselves before men and before God. It shows clearly, that the church of Rome even its formative years was greatly, was influenced by pagan Rome in a greater degree than by the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles, hence the Roman titles of "Pontifex Maximus" and appellation of the word "Great" being added to their names.

Can anyone here in CF picture the Apostle taking the title "Pontifex Maximus" or say "Peter the Great", or "James the Great", or "Paul the Great"? Its just not there in the Bible, because the Apostles were humble men who exalted Jesus, not themselves over their brethren.

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

You should have a problem with the pompous titles that the Papacy has claimed for themselves to exhalt themselves before men and before God. It shows clearly, that the church of Rome even its formative years was greatly, was influenced by pagan Rome in a greater degree than by the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles, hence the Roman titles of "Pontifex Maximus" and appellation of the word "Great" being added to their names.

Can anyone here in CF picture the Apostle taking the title "Pontifex Maximus" or say "Peter the Great", or "James the Great", or "Paul the Great"? Its just not there in the Bible, because the Apostles were humble men who exalted Jesus, not themselves over their brethren.

Amen

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

You should have a problem with the pompous titles that the Papacy has claimed for themselves to exhalt themselves before men and before God. It shows clearly, that the church of Rome even its formative years was greatly, was influenced by pagan Rome in a greater degree than by the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles, hence the Roman titles of "Pontifex Maximus" and appellation of the word "Great" being added to their names.

Can anyone here in CF picture the Apostle taking the title "Pontifex Maximus" or say "Peter the Great", or "James the Great", or "Paul the Great"? Its just not there in the Bible, because the Apostles were humble men who exalted Jesus, not themselves over their brethren.

In point of fact, it is the office which is invested with honor, and the Holy Saints of God after their death. Ironically, the quality that makes a true Saint is humility. Once again, a Saint who is honored is honored for Christ, in the manner He spoke of "Let your light so shine before men that they might see your good deeds and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. I give glory to God for James the Brother of the Lord, known in his day as "James the Just."

Paul did describe himself as 'equal to the apostles.' Moses described himself as "the most humble man on earth." Nehemiah wrote "remember me O God for all my good."

As much as I disagree with Rome on important issues, and as much as I object to pontiff maximus in the same manner that I object to papal primacy, I am not convinced or even persuaded that Roman popes take such titles 'to themselves.'

Then let us call to mind EG White, that woman who called herself a prophetess. Has she not prophesied falsely? Has this not been proven repeatedly? Yet some of her progeny carry on her scorched earth campaign against all things Latin, as if she had not been revealed to be a false prophet, and as if they have a leg to stand on.

None of us do, really.

 

[linssue55]

1. Titles for the Pope do not detract from the praise due to God.
Not so! Look at ALL the people that believe this, and follow it everyday. Praising idols of the flesh.



2. No one denies that Popes are sinners.
MANY do!


3. To judge some of them as worse sinners should not be done. We are all sinners, and we dont know their hearts, nor the hearts of anyone else to compare them to.
We are to Discern (knowing the practices of others between good and evil) ......which I do

1 Cor 2:15
"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment."


4. They are indeed just men. BUT Jesus commanded us to be holy as the Father is holy. The office of the Papacy is a holy job, as it is dedicated to serving Christ (not that the person in it is necessarily holy).

The one, whom ever is appointed MUST follow all of God's mandates......and not to worship any other Gods and idols (ie....virgin Mary). The catholic church DO NOT follow these mandates, and many of their beliefs and practices are not scriptural.


Here is what the Lord thinks about all of this, and what will happen during the tribulation..........


Never fear, the Lord is in control of history. Don't forget, in the tribulation the "Scarlett W-hore" will be destroyed by another faction. God has a great sense of humor......lol, He has two evil's that destroy each other. This is really killing two birds with one stone.

 

[linssue55]

The RCC begs to differ with you.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]"It is error to believe that, if the Pope were a reprobate and an evil man and consequently a member of the devil, he has no power over the faithful." Council of Constance, Condemnation of Errors, against Wycliffe, Session VIII, and Hus: Session XV; DNZ:621, 617, 588, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 5: "The Book of Obedience", Chapter 1: "There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope").

And here is why:

[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]“Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power.” Corpus Juris, chap. 1, column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff.[/FONT]

Scripture please! From the KJV.

 

[linssue55]

So, would that make you holy mother?

As for pope's being worse sinners? Well, I am aware that sin does not come in degrees, except in your church, some pope's were exceedingly sinful.

In 1932, Pope Pius XI (1922-39) as well as condemning contraception, ordered German Catholics to drop their hostility towards Hitler. He also backed Mussolini's invasion of Abyssinia.​

Pope Benedict XIII (1394-1417) gave a dispensation to the twenty-nine-year-old Richard II of England to marry Isabella, the seven-year-old daughter of the King of France.


Naughty, naughty!​

The child-pope Benedict IX (who became Pope at the age of 12!) was bi-sexual, sodomised animals, ordered murders and dabbled in witchcraft and Satanism. He loved to throw wild, bi-sexual orgies. Benedict IX held the post of Pope in the years 1032-44, 1045 and 1047-48. He was described as "A demon from hell in the disguise of a priest...", and St Peter Damian said of him: "That wretch, from the beginning of his pontificate to the end of his life, feasted on immorality". Dante estimated that under Benedict IX the papacy reached an all-time low in immorality and debauchery. When he was 23 he survived an assassination attempt (strangling at the altar during Mass). Benedict went on to marry his cousin and sell the papacy to his godfather, Gregory VI.

Good stuff......

 

[linssue55]

I find it routine to be reported when issues expose unpleasant truth.

Ditto! It happens alot, being reported I mean.

 

[linssue55]

Can anyone here in CF picture the Apostle taking the title "Pontifex Maximus" or say "Peter the Great", or "James the Great", or "Paul the Great"? Its just not there in the Bible, because the Apostles were humble men who exalted Jesus, not themselves over their brethren.

Nope! Couldn't even imagine.

 

[jckstraw72]

1. Titles for the Pope do not detract from the praise due to God.
Not so! Look at ALL the people that believe this, and follow it everyday. Praising idols of the flesh.
--praising someone or an office does not make it an idol. WORSHIPPING them, or it, does. Now who in the RCC WORSHIPS the Pope?


2. No one denies that Popes are sinners.
MANY do!
--WHO?! Papal Infallibility has NOTHING to do with sin


3. To judge some of them as worse sinners should not be done. We are all sinners, and we dont know their hearts, nor the hearts of anyone else to compare them to.
We are to Discern (knowing the practices of others between good and evil) ......which I do

1 Cor 2:15
"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment."
---ok well as long as you think thats being humble....

4. They are indeed just men. BUT Jesus commanded us to be holy as the Father is holy. The office of the Papacy is a holy job, as it is dedicated to serving Christ (not that the person in it is necessarily holy).

The one, whom ever is appointed MUST follow all of God's mandates......and not to worship any other Gods and idols (ie....virgin Mary). The catholic church DO NOT follow these mandates, and many of their beliefs and practices are not scriptural.
---saying that the Catholic Church worships Mary just shows how ignorant of the Church you really are. Thats so completely absurd.

Here is what the Lord thinks about all of this, and what will happen during the tribulation..........


Never fear, the Lord is in control of history. Don't forget, in the tribulation the "Scarlett W-hore" will be destroyed by another faction. God has a great sense of humor......lol, He has two evil's that destroy each other. This is really killing two birds with one stone.

---oh ok and the RCC is the harlot of Babylon. Gee, thats original--never heard that one before. I love how so many Protestants bash the RCC for everything and anything, but they dotn realize that they openly hope and believe that the world's largest body of Christians is our enemy. bravo.

 

[jckstraw72]

Nope! Couldn't even imagine.

well Paul does say to the Corinthians that they may have ten thousand teachers but only he has begotten them in Jesus Christ and that they are to imitate him.

 

[Oblio]

Ditto! It happens alot, being reported I mean.

Ya know what, you only know if you were reported if you actually transgressed the rules you agreed to when you signed up, and which are applied equally to everyone. If someone reports you, and the mods find your post within the rules, you never hear about it.

Do the math.

 

[CaDan]

The one, whom ever is appointed MUST follow all of God's mandates......and not to worship any other Gods and idols (ie....virgin Mary). The catholic church DO NOT follow these mandates, and many of their beliefs and practices are not scriptural.

Assumes sola scriptura, of course.

Assumes "worship".

But thanks.

Here is what the Lord thinks about all of this, and what will happen during the tribulation..........



Never fear, the Lord is in control of history. Don't forget, in the tribulation the "Scarlett W-hore" will be destroyed by another faction. God has a great sense of humor......lol, He has two evil's that destroy each other. This is really killing two birds with one stone.

BINGO!

Hold your cards, we have a Bingo!

 

[cubanito]

Who? Some of those are from protestants who deliberately lie about the Pope because they believe any means of attaching the Church is justified by the ends.

The Pope is the same as an apostle. No more, no less. No prerson, no matter how fanatical, can find something different between what the Catholics believe of the Pope and what all Christians believe of the apostles.

Of the first I don't know. Even the JPII recognized the excessiveness of "papal" claims by refusing to wear the triple crown. If you think it's just us Protestants, talk to the Orthodox, from whom the RC broke off in 1054, during an attempt to unilaterally revise the Nicene creed.

As to the second, and Apostle is a term meaning sent one, but it is only applied to eyewitnesses of the risen Christ, and they are directly commisioned by God. There is one reference to the 11 Apostles selecting someone by lots, but that person is never heard of again, and in any case he had definitevily been an eye witness to Christ on earth.

The whole Apostolic succession thing is an invention of men, admittedly in very early Christianity. In Acts 20 Paul shows how quickly men seeking power and titles would come in among the Church and begin leading it astray.

JR

 

[Ethan_Fetch]

Ya know what, you only know if you were reported if you actually transgressed the rules you agreed to when you signed up, and which are applied equally to everyone. If someone reports you, and the mods find your post within the rules, you never hear about it.

Do the math.

The point is that people just as guilty of infractions will report others.

Speaking for myself, I don't report people, pretty much regardless of what they say...at least in theological debate...no matter what...if someone says something against the rules, I just let it go.

I won't change that just because somebody doesn't like me and watches me like a hawk.